yeah clauncher really looks like it'll evolve into something big and kickass a la crawdaunt to me. fabébé at first to me looked like it'd evolve to have the flower actually a part of it [in a mantine or slowbro-esque way], but i can see it being a generic cute with low stats or something - like mawile, maybe. i doubt gogoat will evolve personally.
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It's a normal attack
The type is irrelevant, as both Gogoat and Chespin are Grass-types and the after-attack noises were different.
probably still fine tuning the attack hit noises
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That's struggle bug... play the goddamn games!
We don't even know if Mewtwo will change its stats at all when it changes form. However I presume that the sleek body and the Japanese movie advertisement art suggests a more speedy mewtwo.
Considering how they've ??????????'d everything about it, it's very likely a Forme and thus has stat rearrangmenet
e: I also I love how shokotan brought up newtwo to Masuda asking what the deal was and was met with a non-answer
Has Newtwo even been announced outside of Japan?
Literally like an hour after it was announced in Japan
idk if it's sarcasm but
did you ever teach one of your pokemon struggle bug
have you ever used that useless move
and ya english pokemon youtube channel put this up ages ago:
[youtube]7tSVBVQzNMg[/youtube]
How do I ask for it... link? just for the lols?
(do you think she really didn't know or that she was making sure we mad due to no reveal?)
Well Burgh tends to spam it
Unless you never saw it at all because you always start with Tepig
(it says its struggle bug in the site anyway)
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Anyway,
how come the se/nve sounds are a topic at all? Was there any rumor/confirmation that there will be different SFX for se/nve?
The mystery of the sound effects might be that they have the handful that they need for damaging effects, but they're messing with us in the trailers by only using them intentionally and appropriately when they want to get a point across about battling, like when Sylveon used Moonburst.
You may notice that the game footage of Xerneas and Yveltal attacking was cut short before the damage FX was played, anyway. Personally, I think they're just fuckin around.
You may notice that the game footage of Xerneas and Yveltal attacking was cut short before the damage FX was played, anyway. Personally, I think they're just fuckin around.
It's weird that Masuda answered like that, then. It sounded to me he was acting as if the pokémon didn't even existed yet (???).
Somebody mentioned a couple pages ago the newest trailer, where Flabébé used Fairy Wind against Litleo and it did the usual NVE SFX which would further confirm the Pokébeach rumor about Fairy-type... then I watched the video and noticed the same SFX was used for Fairy Wind vs. Litleo, Struggle Bug vs. Froakie and Boomburst vs. Gogoat; meanwhile, a two-days-older trailer had Boomburst vs. Chespin and a different SFX for the damage.
Another possibility is that Boomburst is 'weird' though nominally Normal-typed (like Hidden Power or Natural Gift). Dual-type moves anyone? :P
EDIT: after re-reading the above I guess we'd still have Bug NVE against Water (or we caught them hiding Froakie's Fighting secondary type :o ) so the most likely explanation is they're still tweaking SFX.
EDIT: after re-reading the above I guess we'd still have Bug NVE against Water (or we caught them hiding Froakie's Fighting secondary type :o ) so the most likely explanation is they're still tweaking SFX.
it seems very weird that they decided to buff up a pokemon all the way from generation 1, let alone one that is arguably the best in the game. Did a voice actor die or something?
Also, its weird that the clone Pokemon gets a new form but no mention of the original. Maybe its a fusion of something or am I thinking of dragon ball Z still?
Also, its weird that the clone Pokemon gets a new form but no mention of the original. Maybe its a fusion of something or am I thinking of dragon ball Z still?
Philip Bartlett, the original English voice actor for Mewtwo, died over a decade ago, but what's important is that Mewtwos new form may simply have a rearrangement of its stat total to show some new favoritism that may or may not make it the new epitome of a Psychic type.
On an unrelated note ...
I know this is the type of stuff people have done before, so let's take a crack at it. Let's try to gather all the stats we've seen of the Gen VI pokemon so far! But how? The only obvious ones are the HPs we've seen.
Through math! Alright, so from Pokemon Smash we saw a Sylveon fighting a Salamence! Its HP stat was 155; assuming 0 IVs and 0 EVs, that gives us an HP stat of 95 (which is interestingly an Eeveelution stat). Seems simple enough, right?
Well, it OHKO'd a Salamence with Moonblast ... now we don't know how powerful that is in BP, but let's again assume 0 IVs and 0 EVs for both (this is generally how they do it in the demos).
If Moonblast has 90 BP (like Psychic or Earth Power), then Sylveon could only guaranteed OHKO with a 130 Att/SpA stat (with 110it has a 37.5% chance).
Assuming it might have 120 BP (like Fire Blast or Hydro Pump), then it still requires Sylveon to have at least its 110 or 95 (though from the earlier evidence it's likely that 95 is in HP).
If it had a 65 or 60 in the attacking stat Moonblast keys off of, the attack would require a whopping 170-180 BP to OHKO, so we can safely assume its primary attacking stat is over 110 or 130.
I'd also say we could assume its Speed is over 100 since it outspeeds Salamence ... but then we get something similar to Espeon or Jolteon's stat spread, so who knows. Regardless, they may have used a Choice item or something to make it seem more powerful than it is, it just seems like an interesting little calculation.
Does anyone know any other HP stats or OHKOs we've seen?Did the Sylveon in that one trailer OHKO Haxorus? NOPE
EDIT 2: I can't find anymore OHKOs, but there are some HPs lurking in the gameplay trailers. So far I have:
Hope anyone can find more examples for calculating!
I know this is the type of stuff people have done before, so let's take a crack at it. Let's try to gather all the stats we've seen of the Gen VI pokemon so far! But how? The only obvious ones are the HPs we've seen.
Through math! Alright, so from Pokemon Smash we saw a Sylveon fighting a Salamence! Its HP stat was 155; assuming 0 IVs and 0 EVs, that gives us an HP stat of 95 (which is interestingly an Eeveelution stat). Seems simple enough, right?
Well, it OHKO'd a Salamence with Moonblast ... now we don't know how powerful that is in BP, but let's again assume 0 IVs and 0 EVs for both (this is generally how they do it in the demos).
If Moonblast has 90 BP (like Psychic or Earth Power), then Sylveon could only guaranteed OHKO with a 130 Att/SpA stat (with 110it has a 37.5% chance).
Assuming it might have 120 BP (like Fire Blast or Hydro Pump), then it still requires Sylveon to have at least its 110 or 95 (though from the earlier evidence it's likely that 95 is in HP).
If it had a 65 or 60 in the attacking stat Moonblast keys off of, the attack would require a whopping 170-180 BP to OHKO, so we can safely assume its primary attacking stat is over 110 or 130.
I'd also say we could assume its Speed is over 100 since it outspeeds Salamence ... but then we get something similar to Espeon or Jolteon's stat spread, so who knows. Regardless, they may have used a Choice item or something to make it seem more powerful than it is, it just seems like an interesting little calculation.
Does anyone know any other HP stats or OHKOs we've seen?
EDIT 2: I can't find anymore OHKOs, but there are some HPs lurking in the gameplay trailers. So far I have:
- Froakie: 101 HP at level 50; indicates base 41 HP stat (about normal for a starter, a little low if anything [between Charmander and Squirtle, for refernce])
- Noivern: 226 HP at level 80; indicates base 85 HP stat
- Clauncher: 126 at level 50; indicates base 66 HP stat
- Gogoat: 183 at level 50; indicates base 123 HP stat (I'm more leery about the 0 IV/EV assumption on this one since it specifically takes place in a wild horde battle and may involve a playtesting Pokemon, and that's a really high stat). Also, the Houndour's Ember does 8 damage against it; assuming 0 IV/EV, that means Gogoat can at most have 85 base SpD, but at least base 40.
- Talonflame: 212 at level 65; indicates base 106 HP stat. Its Flame Charge does a little over half of Noctowl's HP, indicating base Att around 100 (again, a little leery about this for the same reasons as the previous one)
Hope anyone can find more examples for calculating!
Almost every single move showcase has the pokemon using the move go first
you can gleam nothing, speed wise, from it
Where did you get that from? That Hydreigon facing a Gardevoir had 156 HP, 0 IV Hydreigon has 152. Sylveon might as well have 10 IV and 162 HP EVs, for all we know.
Even then, you're partially right. Sylveon's Base HP is 95 at best; a 0 IV/EV Sylveon would have 170 HP if it had 110 Base, so it can't be that.
I don't know where you got those damage calcs from either. Did you forget Sylveon has STAB ?__? 0/0 Salamence could be OHKOed by a 120 BP Moonblast coming off of 65 Base stat, so the only thing we know is that the stat Moonblast comes off of is higher than 60. It is *probably* 95-130, as it wouldn't make sense to use a move that's not even from its highest stat.
I wish we could've seen salamence damage sylveon first so that we could get an idea of it's defenses.
Just to clarify with Sylveon using Moonblast against Haxorus and Salamence; we don't actually know whether these were OHKO's or not. If you watch the video where Sylveon uses Moonblast v. Haxorus, we never actually see Haxorus' HP bar stop dropping; the video cuts away before we see how much damage the attack did total. Of course if you go to:
http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/whats_new/
and scroll down to 'Fairy type match-ups', then you'll see in the screenshots that Sylveon is facing Haxorus and Salamence, both of which are at 0 HP. Of course, here we don't even know if Sylveon 'used' Moonblast to KO them, or if they were at full health when the attack landed. Of course, Sylveon's Moonblast could be really powerful, OHKO-ing Salamence and Haxorus; but it's all just a bit ambiguous. Gee, I wonder if they did that on purpose
http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/whats_new/
and scroll down to 'Fairy type match-ups', then you'll see in the screenshots that Sylveon is facing Haxorus and Salamence, both of which are at 0 HP. Of course, here we don't even know if Sylveon 'used' Moonblast to KO them, or if they were at full health when the attack landed. Of course, Sylveon's Moonblast could be really powerful, OHKO-ing Salamence and Haxorus; but it's all just a bit ambiguous. Gee, I wonder if they did that on purpose
http://www.twitch.tv/rishig2k/b/417479452
Skip to around 36:30. It shows Salamence and Haxorus being OHKO'd by Moonblast from full health.
Skip to around 36:30. It shows Salamence and Haxorus being OHKO'd by Moonblast from full health.
What I also gather from this is that the HP bars depletion is perhaps the fastest it has ever been.
If it stays that way through launch I will be very happy.
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