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Pokemon Black and White (SPECULATIONS ALLOWED HERE)
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When water touches ice, the speed in which heat is transferred is considerably lower than what you make it out to be. Even at negative temperature, it would take a fairly long time for any significant amount of ice to be made, if just by contact. The transfer would also, in turn, melt the ice itself since it is absorbing that heat. It may not be a lot, and depending on the outside temperature the ice could stay frozen, but it's still the natural process. Also, for water to freeze, it would have to be very still, as to let the ice crystals form correctly. This would mean that rain and attacks that use water would not become frozen as it hits the enemy. Some might stick and freeze, but the amount would be negligible.
For the reasoning above, I personally think that Water and Ice should be neutral to each other.
For the reasoning above, I personally think that Water and Ice should be neutral to each other.
Well Water being neutral against Ice makes perfect sense; Water doesn't actually melt ice, but rather the temperature. The boiling point of water is 100C, and the freezing point is 0C. Anything above the freezing point will melt ice. Meanwhile, Ice is very, very good offensively. I just cannot see them taking away one of the few types that resist it.
Ice resisting Bug because "bug can't live when it's cold" is pretty far-fetched. Insects and spiders can live in harsh environments, but if these two types were to have any connection based upon this logic then perhaps it would be Ice hitting Bug super-effective.
I don't think Ice should gain any resistances, as it is an amazing type offensively and it just makes sense for each and every type. Fighting types can break ice, Fire can melt, Rock can smash, and Steel can break. Let's just be content that it doesn't have a Ground-type weakness, too. What we really need to demonstrate how the Ice-type is amazing offensively, is an Ice/Electric and Ice/Fighting Pokemon. Oh yeah, and a more powerful physical Ice move for fast Ice-types. Ice Punch doesn't cut it. Imagine Mamoswine with a 120 BP recoil Ice move. Pretty scary, considering even Skarmory takes 52.1% - 61.7%.
Ice resisting Bug because "bug can't live when it's cold" is pretty far-fetched. Insects and spiders can live in harsh environments, but if these two types were to have any connection based upon this logic then perhaps it would be Ice hitting Bug super-effective.
I don't think Ice should gain any resistances, as it is an amazing type offensively and it just makes sense for each and every type. Fighting types can break ice, Fire can melt, Rock can smash, and Steel can break. Let's just be content that it doesn't have a Ground-type weakness, too. What we really need to demonstrate how the Ice-type is amazing offensively, is an Ice/Electric and Ice/Fighting Pokemon. Oh yeah, and a more powerful physical Ice move for fast Ice-types. Ice Punch doesn't cut it. Imagine Mamoswine with a 120 BP recoil Ice move. Pretty scary, considering even Skarmory takes 52.1% - 61.7%.
When I think of the Ice type, I think of very cold temperatures, not actual ice. Of course a cube of ice would not resist the water in the cup. The ice would eventually melt in the water. However, if you think of the Ice type as very cold temperatures, then it would make sense that low temperatures would freeze the water, thus making it "Super Effective". This also makes sense for why the Ice type is Super Effective against the Flying type. Throwing Ice cubes at a bird is one thing, but birds migrate South towards the Equator, because they do not like very cold temperatures.
You know what would be funny/fucked up? GameFreak deciding on changing up the type chart so that Ice is super-effective against Bug and then introduce Stealth Icicles into the game. All those Bug/Flying types are so screwed.
I think ice is fine where it's at. It's great offensive capabilities out-ways the poor, poor defensive ones. They just need to make a few less defensive ice types. Defensively, Ice types can stall with Hail, and lets not forget Ice Body, but the lack of resistances somewhat limits this....I just hope they make a new ice powerhouse with through the roof special attack/mixed, a large move pool, and a typing as amazing as Electric/Ice (I'd say physical, but Weavile and Mamo do a pretty good job, and Glaceon's move pool isn't the best). Maybe a special version of Weavile.
Also, Ice Stealth Rock would COMPLETELY twist EVERYTHING about the meta game around!
Also, Ice Stealth Rock would COMPLETELY twist EVERYTHING about the meta game around!
I think Delcatty and Sunflora deserve evolutions. They're the worst stone evolutions bar maybe Wigglytuff but she's already a stage 2 Pokemon so there's no chance of her evolving...
Delcatty's highest stats are HP and Speed and they're only base 70...
Delcatty's highest stats are HP and Speed and they're only base 70...
Poor Bug/Flyings. SR and this would put the final nail on their coffins. But that darn Steels would take the necessary yet. Maybe a Fighting or a Fire SR can punish them.
Most Steels in OU are neutral to fighting, and what would a fire Stealth Rock do to Heatran?
Skarmory, Bronzong, Scizor, Jirachi and Metagross all resist or neutral to both types
Maybe they should make a Ghost type Rapid Spin, and give it to Hitmontop??
More likely GF will troll us and give Hitmontop a Fighting type Rapid Spin.
With 60 Base Power. But illegal with Foresight.
:D
All basic purposes, Poison does need a bit of a boost. Muk for prime example has a glorious movepool, but not that great of stats. Is it wrong to ask for a little more bulk or a little more power from him? (Because I really don't see a pile of glop suddenly become one of the fastest Pokemon around. I mean, Pokemon makes little sense, but COME ON....)
Really, the best way to get around SR being so overcentralising is to make more SRs of different types - "Ring of Fire", "Overgrowth", "Black Ice", "Flood", "Electric Fence", "Hornet's Nest", "Dragon's Den" could all work, though Electric Fence and Dragon's Den sound a bit shit, and Black Ice would probably be overpowered. Anyway, the idea would be that you could only have one type-based hazard at a time, so the hazard of choice would be decided based on what your team is weak to, rather than just always SR.
Therefore with these new Stealth Rocks, the whole space-time continuom will be ripped from the pokemon game, make new bog standard teams, with Swamperts and Bronzongs never being seen again, all new rapid spinners, new team format:
~Entry Hazarder
~Blissey
~Skarmory
~Spinner
~Spin blocker
~Sweeper
Get yours now
~Entry Hazarder
~Blissey
~Skarmory
~Spinner
~Spin blocker
~Sweeper
Get yours now
Stealth Things would make this game even more based on lucky matchups than anything else . Oh boy, my team is totally fine against Stealth Rocks and Icicl--FUCK RING OF FIRE WAT DO.
Besides, as I've said before, all three entry hazards are DIFFERENT from one another. They WON'T create a Stealth Rock clone. Trust me, if anything, they'll nerf it, even if by a little.
Besides, as I've said before, all three entry hazards are DIFFERENT from one another. They WON'T create a Stealth Rock clone. Trust me, if anything, they'll nerf it, even if by a little.
There was a big discussion of this earlier. At most, I can see a 25% cap on SR.
he da monkey
"It is the Grass Monkey Pokémon, is 0.6m and 10.5kg. Its ability is Gluttony and is a Grass-type Pokémon."
http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml
Edit: Actually knows move CALLED Acrobat serebii just said this on gamefaqs he goofed a bit on the translation :P
From the toy-thing we saw a while ago, I imagined him being a Koala since he seemed so fat. There certainly are a lot of ape-based pokemon.
help guys I cannot stop laughing at the monkey
I'd say "at least". 25% cap is almost a given, in my view. What I am not putting much faith on is, say, making Rapid Spin actually WORK against Ghost-types (like Brick Break), making Defog clear both sides, etcetera.
I'd say "at least". 25% cap is almost a given, in my view. What I am not putting much faith on is, say, making Rapid Spin actually WORK against Ghost-types (like Brick Break), making Defog clear both sides, etcetera.
I think you mean triple battles since he's talking about positions.
Edit: apparently its power also doubles when there is no item. I think that they're trying to make this monkey a berry abuse monkey >.>
While they show a triple battle in video, it could still hit out of position pokemon in rotation battles. You know, not having hitting the poke right in front of you. It could be like the pursuit of triple battles. Actually how will pursuit work in rotation battles...
I feel Acrobat could be a Flying attack when you see how much damage Tsutaja took from it. Flying actually makes the most sense with Normal being right after.
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