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Pokemon Platinum - The definitive thread: Mach 2 (In-Game Discussion)

Thanks for the help Syberia.

Earlier someone mentioned the blue screen and said they got past it through updating their kernel. How do I do this?
 
blasphemy1 said:
I honestly think Gamefreak is on some kind of pokemon witch hunt to make the pokemon they don't like obselete. Why else would they screw Flareon and Flygon soo badly?

Yeah, Salamence would be ridiculous with Outrage. I will just cut out a picture of Dragonite and put it on Salamence when I battle with it, lol. He would be, without a doubt, the biggest immediate threat in OU. CB Outrage or Choice Specs Draco Meteor, pick your poison.

EDIT: Unfortunately, it would make sense for Salamence to learn Outrage if gamefreak neglects the metagame, because it is much angrier than Dragonite(Salamence is just pissy cause it is only 4'11", haha!)
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If Salamence gets Outrage (not confirmed, just speculation), would it be another Garchomp situation? Or is it different because it doesn't get SD?
 
The second Giratina's level-up movelist is identical to the original on legendarypokemon.net's page. So either Mud Slap and Spite are move tutors as well or there's a mistake on the page there... which Arty2 explicitly said was possible.

There's a TM list for all the new forms on legendarypokemon.net as well, but it claims every single new form has identical TM compatibility with the original one, which looks suspicious.
 
MKDSJedi said:
If Salamence gets Outrage (not confirmed, just speculation), would it be another Garchomp situation? Or is it different because it doesn't get SD?
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It might, it might not. DD means you can't reliably revenge kill it, and Salamence can abuse Yache Berry to some extent too. Starmie can't beat it, unlike a Yacheless Garchomp. SD is overpowering to many walls, but Draco Meteor 2HKOs them as well, meaning Salamence doesn't have to waste its Yache Berry in order to set up its sweep later. Choiced pokemon are much easier to counter, so in a sense this won't be a Garchomp situation.

EDIT: Choice Scarf Salamence will be more annoying, with Draco Meteor AND Outrage, to take out many walls. Flamethrower and Earthquake will deal with steels.
 
hinode said:
The second Giratina's level-up movelist is identical to the original on legendarypokemon.net's page. So either Mud Slap and Spite are move tutors as well or there's a mistake on the page there... which Arty2 explicitly said was possible.

There's a TM list for all the new forms on legendarypokemon.net as well, but it claims every single new form has identical TM compatibility with the original one, which looks suspicious.
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Like how Sky Shaymin doesn't get Fly and Cut Rotom doesn't get Cut? lol
 
MKDSJedi said:
If Salamence gets Outrage (not confirmed, just speculation), would it be another Garchomp situation? Or is it different because it doesn't get SD?
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Nah, they're way too different to directly compare. Salamence doesn't have the same defenses as Chomp, it's SR weak instead of resistant, it's slightly slower (those two points make all the difference!), it's vulnerable to Thunder Wave whereas Chomp is immune, and it doesn't have Swords Dance. Of course it has advantages of its own as well, but on the offchance that it does get Outrage, a lot of testing will be required to determine its status (but personally I don't think it'll be anywhere near uber).

Oh, and it's in the rules, but I'll state it again; no asking for ROM links/information in this thread.
 
You mean Garchomp is immune to Thunder Wave, Fishin.

If Salamence gets Outrage, it will just be more deadly. Outrage doesn't make Salamence broken, it just makes it outclass Dragonite in everything other than support. Unlike Shaymin, where it now outspeeds Weavile. :p
 
It seems so energetic.
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Chill said:
Thanks for the help Syberia.

Earlier someone mentioned the blue screen and said they got past it through updating their kernel. How do I do this?
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Go to 'Emulation setup'
There is something like NDS save file or whatever...
Chnge is to 512 KB.
Save, and then restart the game.
After that, have fun :P
 
Those are good points, and hopefully Salamence doesn't get Outrage. After a DD Adamant Salamence has 607 attack, compared to Jolly Garchomp's 718. The speed boost prevents revenge killing, with the exception of Ice Sharders and faster Scarfers. Salamence with CB or a DD does 50-60% to Hippowdon with Outrage, theoretically of course. With 110 base special attack, Naughty/Lonely natured Salamence can 2HKO with Draco Meteor, for those who don't want to be locked in. This is what spells trouble, when you can't switch into a pokemon until you know every single move. The fact that it can 2HKO nearly every pokemon in the game without boosting itself is ridiculous. The only reliable switchin would be Cresselia, who is still taking 47-56%, a 2HKO with Stealth Rock. I would say that is pretty damn close to the current situation. Of course, we can just pray they don't do this.
 
Hidden Power Ground will be a valuable move to have. Since it is no longer weak to Bug-type attacks, it's worth it to have coverage on Heatran and Magnezone.
 
Thanks Amre, it worked. This is my first time doing this so I had no clue what to do. :D

I wish gamefreak would use these illustrations for in-game cutscenes and story telling methods. That shot of Cyrus looks very cool.
 
Remember Weavile can still kill Shaymin-S with Ice Shard, especially with its lowered defenses. It seems like a generic attacker with Substitute, HP Ground, Air Slash, and Seed Flare. This allows you to scout for Heatran, so you aren't owned by Timid Scarfran.

EDIT: I highly doubt Shaymin-S will get Thunder Wave, because gamefreak would have given Shaymin it, much like Celebi got. Secret Power provides a 60% chance of paralysis tho...
 
If Rotom's forms' new stat distribution is correct, they will have a base stat total of 520, which is 80 higher than original-Rotom's (440). Isn't that bizarre? Plenty of Pokemon evolve and don't get such a boost. Is there no way that they can be "evolutions"?

Incidentally, as has been stated several times previously in this thread, Rotom's forms' stat distribution is quite comparable to Spiritomb's, but surprisingly higher than Spiritomb's (520 > 485). That 86 base speed and 105 Special Attack sure look appealing... and for weaknesses to Ghost and Dark, it has 4 extra resistances and a Ground immunity instead of a Psychic immunity.
 
Murkrow said:
If Rotom's forms' new stat distribution is correct, they will have a base stat total of 520, which is 80 higher than original-Rotom's (440). Isn't that bizarre? Plenty of Pokemon evolve and don't get such a boost. Is there no way that they can be "evolutions"?
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These "alternate forms" are evolutions in disguise, certainly much more so than Scizor is to Scyther, Electivire is to Electabuzz, Magmortar is to Magmar, Rhyperior is to Rhydon, Porygon-Z is to Porygon2, and the list goes on.

I am not sure why Game Freak deemed it necessary to make it possible for the new Pokémon to transform back into Rotom, hence their formal status as alternate forms. After all, Ranch is incompatible with the game and Diamond and Pearl might not support battles with the new alternate forms, so compability issues are already at large. Nevertheless, I feel confident that adding new Pokémon to an existing generation is not outside of the series' scope; Game Freak is merely taking that step in small installments.
 
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