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Pokemon Platinum - The definitive thread: Mach 3 (Competitive Discussion)

Holy Crap Nice tutor moves
these are the Ones I think will change the game
Scizor- Bullet Punch SD Life Orb Stab Technician anyone?
Ice Punch- Lucario
Fire Punch- Rampardos
Thunder Punch- Rampardos Lucario Flygon
Seed Bomb- Donphan
Super Power- Dragonite Rampardos ABSOL!!!! Mamoswine Honchrow
I have a feeling this will move absol up to at least BL DARK FIGHT coverage FTW?
Outrage- Salamence FLYGON!!! HOLY SHIT YES
Even though Sally gets it, CB Outrage Fire Punch Earthquake U turn will be freaking godly
 
MS said:
Oh wow, Outrage Salamence, Ice Punch Lucario, Heat Wave Zapdos, Superpower Dragonite...looks like that Platinum has drastically changed the face of the metagame :). One question: Are these moves going to be implemented yet on Shoddy, or do we have to wait until Platinum is released in the US?
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I think it'd be better if we waited for the US release, to make sure all of this new information sinks in. There is a ton of work to be had dissecting all of this new content, which is made harder with the fact that few people in this community have reliable access to the source, let alone actually being able to comprehend it.
 
Sorry if someone posted something like this, but:

Flareon @ Leftovers
Quiet Nature (+Sp. Atk, -Spd) / Modest Nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: working on it...
- Lava Plume / Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Electric, Grass, Ice, etc.]
- Superpower
- Return / WoW / Toxic / Rest / Yawn

Focused on Sp.Atk for its (barely) wider movepool. Superpower stops Blissey in her tracks.
EVs would mainly go into Sp.Atk and HP, with enough to 2HKO (or possible 1HKO) Blissey.

Haven't thought it out too much, but opinions?
 
i like it, though id prefer + sp.att - def on it, as it cant afford losing superpower strength OR speed really....and its defence sucks anyhoo...
 
Flareon hasn't got any speed to begin with. Superpower sadly isn't gonna help this make a place in an OU team, especially with new and bigger threats =/

Tangrowth does get synthesis, yay :)
 
I randomly did calcs for CB Donphan using Seed Bomb on Bulky Waters who are weak to it
252Atk CB Donphan Seed Bomb V:
160HP Timid Starmie: 103.99% - 122.26%
252/252 HP/Def Impish Swampert: 107.36% - 126.40%
252/252 HP/Def Bold Suicune: 44.55% - 52.48%
252HP/220Def Modest Milotic (Marvel Scale activated): 44.16% - 52.03%
212HP/252Def Bold Slowbro: 48.44% - 56.77%
188HP/252Def Bold Vaporeon: 60.04% - 70.54%
 
Seed Bomb isn't a great option to be honest. It only does slightly more to bulky waters that aren't Swampert than Earthquake, and CB Donphan already wants Earthquake, Stone Edge, Fire Fang, Ice Shard, and Rapid Spin.
 
umbarsc said:
Seed Bomb isn't a great option to be honest. It only does slightly more to bulky waters that aren't Swampert than Earthquake, and CB Donphan already wants Earthquake, Stone Edge, Fire Fang, Ice Shard, and Rapid Spin.
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Actually the 10 BP difference does matter, it's a sure OHKO on all Starmie, and has a chance of 2KOing the other bulky waters (where EQ either can't or has a slim chance).
EDIT: It can go on last slot Donphan@Choice Band: EQ/Stone Edge/Ice Shard/Seed Bomb
analysis said:
Fire Fang provides Donphan with his most powerful attack against Bronzong, although a 2HKO is unlikely. Skarmory will also fail to be 2HKOed, but you can do up to 48% to the flying menace. Rapid Spin can go in the last slot to remove spiking moves after Donphan has removed the Ghosts who block it, but you're generally better employing another Rapid Spinner for this task.
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So Fire Fang/Rapid Spin can be sacrificed for Seed Bomb on the CB set.
 
Going back to Theorymon for a second.

Crobat @ Focus Sash
Modest Nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd
- Nasty Plot
- Sludge Bomb
- Air Slash
- Heat Wave

Hits 524 with one Nasty Plot with Modest, and 478 with Timid.

I can see this working.
 
Sgt_Woodsy said:
Going back to Theorymon for a second.

Crobat @ Focus Sash
Modest Nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd
- Nasty Plot
- Sludge Bomb
- Air Slash
- Heat Wave

Hits 524 with one Nasty Plot with Modest, and 478 with Timid.

I can see this working.
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I don't think focus sash is necessary. Don't underestimate crobat's defenses.

I would use HP ground/fighting instead so that things like tyranitar and heatran don't wall you.

Nasty plot
air slash/sludge bomb
heat wave
HP ground/fighting
 
Bogmire said:
I don't see how it's a big deal considering it's always had morning sun which is exactly the same.
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For people who dont only battle on Shoddy, it was hard to come by a well SRed Tangela w/ Morning Sun for XD.

Now you can breed a fantastic Tangrowth and simply teach it Synthesis making the search for a good Instant-Recovery Tangrowth easier.
 
wDro said:
I don't think focus sash is necessary. Don't underestimate crobat's defenses.

I would use HP ground/fighting instead so that things like tyranitar and heatran don't wall you.

Nasty plot
air slash/sludge bomb
heat wave
HP ground/fighting
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My set was for Crobat to be used in his proper tier, but that'd be good for OU purposes.
 
can we shut up about Outrage yet? Without STAB it's not a big deal, especially on stuff like Gyarados and Rhyperior who have stronger moves thanks to STAB.

On Flygon and Salamence it's wicked. CBflygon ftw
 
Ehy guys, how many days do you think we need before knowing at 100% which pokemon know the tutor moves?

Because I stopped to breed (first of all because I'm studying :P) but, other than, because I would like to be sure about the tutor moves any pokemon learn

Edit1: Skiddle, Gyarados has only 1good stab move, Water type :P Btw I think as you Outrage is good only for the Dragon type
Maybe, maybe...I would like to see how it will work in a defensive Sleep Talk Gyarados...but only to try it
Honestly I don't think it will work
 
Bogmire said:
I don't see how synthesis is a big deal considering it's always had morning sun which is exactly the same.
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*checks*

Uhh.... No it doesn't. Synthesis is new. >__> Before it could only Leech Seed/Rest for recovery. (EDIT: I didn't see Morning Sun on the Tangrowth analysis.... Wouldn't it be there if you could get it in XD?)

Heh. SunnyTank:
Tangrowth @ Lefties/Heat Rock
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def 6 At/SpAt
Nature: Impish/Bold
Ability: Leaf Gaurd
Sunny Day
Solarbeam/Energy ball/Power Whip
Synthesis
Filler

Leaf Gaurd of course preventing Toxic, and then max defenses, and call it a tank.
 
well this just bashizzled my entire threoretical process on how this game is going to work.

i cant friggin wait for US release, which is probably going to be around February-May like the D/P releases. Still, this is going to scruffle everything up.

I think i'm looking forward to... everything basically. I cant wait. well thank god i built that damn time machine.
 
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