You can't get these riddles from a game. There are random and/or unknown IVs and EVs in the games making it inaccurate. People make these up using online Damage Calculators. I downloaded one from here, but I forgot where I got it from. I don't know which ones are accurate, so ask someone else if you are interested.
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Pokemon Riddle
- Thread starter Dogfish44
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It would have had to use Swords Dance the previous turn, it didn't.
I am pretty sure there isn't a problem. What you wrote for Jumpluff/Mew/Regirock are true, which is why those combinations aren't the right answers. I don't want to give further hints yet, since I'm sure someone will get it soon, so, yah, there's certainly no problem with the riddle.Adamant_Torterra said:
Oh, I see what the problem is. Pokemon X is a Bibarel with Unaware... Tricky tricky. ;)
I'll let someone else figure out what Pokemon Y is since I don't feel like doing damage calcs right now.
Yup! There you go! X = Bibarel is correct!
Even though that's technically half of the riddle solved only, it's more like 90% of the riddle since yah, the rest is just several simple damage calculations for potential pokemon... and only 1 fits unless I messed up (remember 76% is max damage, rounded down).
Also, I believe most people here use libelldra's damage calculator, which is believed to be the most accurate: http://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html
(at least I did).
Even though that's technically half of the riddle solved only, it's more like 90% of the riddle since yah, the rest is just several simple damage calculations for potential pokemon... and only 1 fits unless I messed up (remember 76% is max damage, rounded down).
Also, I believe most people here use libelldra's damage calculator, which is believed to be the most accurate: http://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html
(at least I did).
I will post the answer tomorrow. I'd like it if more people would try to answer this. No Regirock (Regirock can't learn move Y and has too low Atk/SAtk for this), no Arceus (Arceus fits but is not the intended solution). The 80% damage is a minimum. However, X is never OHKOed without SR damage by Adamant YacheChomps Outrage.
X does NOT have defensive EVs (except for 6 HP EVs) and Outrage is NOT resisted.
This is easy. Y is an Ice attack (it breaks Yache Berry), X has good defensive stats (it survives +2 Outrage of YacheChomp) and has great Atk/SAtk (it OHKOs YacheChomp). Z is easy if you know X and Y. Without Z, this riddle would be impossible. Scroll down the Strategy Pokedex (all tiers) and search for a Pokemon with great bulk and Atk/SAtk able to learn an offensive Ice move. I won't tell if Y is STAB. I post the answer tomorrow. I'd like it if more people would try to answer this.Originally Posted by Fat Aquamilotic
I have a very nice riddle. Turn one of the riddle is the first turn of the battle.
Garchomp used Swords Dance.
Garchomps Attack sharply rose.
Giratina-O used Draco Meteor.
Giratina-Os attack missed.
Aquamilotic sent out X!
Garchomp used Outrage.
X lost 80% of its health.
X used Y!
Garchomps Yache Berry weakened Ys power!
Garchomp lost 100% of its health!
Garchomp fainted!
What Pokemon is X? What move is Y? The item X holds is named Z. Garchomp is Adamant, if it was Jolly, X still would outspeed it, X has a Speed boosting nature. Garchomp has max EVs in Speed and Attack and six EVs in HP. All Pokemon have max IVs. Xs Y is always an ensured OHKO on YacheChomp.
X=?
Y=?
Z=?
Of course X isn't Regirock, but there is literally NOTHING else that doesn't resist Outrage that can take 80% from it--Rhyperior takes 92% minimum, Groudon 94%, Cresselia 96%, Lugia 97%. Are you absolutely sure there are no battle messages missing?
Y is an Ice attack (it breaks Yache Berry), X has good defensive stats (it survives +2 Outrage of YacheChomp) and has great Atk/SAtk (it OHKOs YacheChomp). Z is easy if you know X and Y. Without Z, this riddle would be impossible. Scroll down the Strategy Pokedex (all tiers) and search for a Pokemon with great bulk and Atk/SAtk able to learn an offensive Ice move. I won't tell if Y is STAB. And the 80% is a minimum, altough X is never OHKOed without SR damage by Adamant YacheChomps Outrage
That didn't answer my question. >_>
I'm trying to think of other Pokemon that can take 80% from a max Attack Garchomp's +2 neutral Outrage besides Regirock, and my damage calculator can't come up with ANYTHING. I don't think there's anything else with that kind of natural bulk...
I'm trying to think of other Pokemon that can take 80% from a max Attack Garchomp's +2 neutral Outrage besides Regirock, and my damage calculator can't come up with ANYTHING. I don't think there's anything else with that kind of natural bulk...
Think harder. I know it is hard, but if it was so easy I didn't post it. You will know it tomorrow. There is a Pokemon who can take it. This riddle is really true and it is not Regirock. Besides, how could Regirock OHKO Garchomp without Explosion (Y is not Explosion, Y is an Ice move)? I am sure there are no battle messages missing. X has less bulk than Regirock and can still take it. I know it, I have personal experience with this for a long time when Garchomp was OU, I put X in my team to 'counter' Garchomp. X was a better 'counter' than Hippowdon. There really is one Pokemon not named Arceus, able to take a hit from YacheChomps +2 Outrage without EV investment as long as it doesn't take SR damage, outspeeding the Garchomp and OHKO it with an Ice attack.
"X has less bulk than Regirock and can still take it."
Rhyperior has less bulk than Regirock (but more than ANYTHING ELSE neutral to Outrage) and can't take 80% from it. So how does that work?
Right now, I'm deeming the riddle unsolvable until I see the solution. Also, I'm getting the feeling that your solution isn't a "solution" at all. Maybe you could PM me your solution so I can check if it actually works? You're free to deny my request, though, but right now the riddle looks like a waste of time trying to solve it.
(That wasn't too confrontational, was it?)
Rhyperior has less bulk than Regirock (but more than ANYTHING ELSE neutral to Outrage) and can't take 80% from it. So how does that work?
Right now, I'm deeming the riddle unsolvable until I see the solution. Also, I'm getting the feeling that your solution isn't a "solution" at all. Maybe you could PM me your solution so I can check if it actually works? You're free to deny my request, though, but right now the riddle looks like a waste of time trying to solve it.
(That wasn't too confrontational, was it?)
Okay, I'll bite.
I'm gonna assume the attack is Blizzard. It's the strongest Ice attack (it obviously can't be Avalanche) so lets go with it.
In order to OHKO a 4/0 neutral natured Garchomp through Yache Berry with Blizzard, a Pokemon would need:
a) 362 SpA without STAB
b) 242 SpA with STAB
Of course, there's always the potential for boosting items but I don't think the mystery Pokemon is holding an offensive boosting item - I think he has a Choice Scarf because the Pokemon needs to have 333 speed since it outruns Jolly Chomp. Here's a list of the Pokemon that are faster than 102 Spe.
Mismagius
Lopunny
Manectric
Electabuzz
Scyther
Rapidash
Kadabra
Infernape
Froslass
Latios
Latias
Lugia
Espeon
Jumpluff
Tauros
Gengar
Purugly
Azelf
Ambipom
Floatzel
Raikou
Starmie
Sneasel
Persian
Arceus
Alakazam
Dugtrio
Darkrai
Weavile
Swellow
Shaymin
Crobat
Mewtwo
Aerodactyl
Electrode
Deoxys A, Deoxys, Deoxys-S
Ninjask
The only Pokemon there that can take a +2 Outrage are Arceus and Lugia, neither of which can do it with no investment and 20% of their health remaining.
So we need a Pokemon that has at least 223 Spe (the minimum speed that you can outrun Jolly Chomp with whilst holding a Scarf), 362 SpA (or 248 SpA and Ice STAB) as well as the ability to take a +2 Outrage with no EV investment.
Lets assume first that he doesn't have STAB. To reach 362 SpA, you'd need at least over 115 SpA. That leaves you with the following:
Yanmega
Shaymin-S
Giratina
Arceus
Togekiss
Magneton
Kadabra
Azelf
Magmortar
Roserade
Gardevoir
Moltres
Zapdos
Exeggutor
Heatran
Magnezone
Latios
Espeon
Gengar
Darkrai
Porygon-Z
Alakazam
Palkia
Dialga
Deoxys
Rayquaza
Kyogre
Mewtwo
Deoxys-A
So from that list, Dialga works. With an EV spread of Bold 124 HP / 252 Def / 104 SpA / 28 Spe @ Choice Scarf he takes an average of 79% from a 788 Atk STAB Outrage. The Choice Scarf and Spe EVs put him at 334 Spe and the SpA EVs put him at 362 SpA granting him a 2.56% chance of OHKOing a 4/0 Garchomp @ Yache Berry. A minute chance, yes, but still possible. But you insist that the Pokemon has no EV investment so that's useless. With no investment, +2 Outrage easily OHKO's Dialga.
So lets assume that he does have STAB? Er...the only Pokemon that springs to mind who even has close to a chance are Cloyster and Articuno but at 0/0, both are OHKO'd.
So with all that said, I'm fairly certain it's impossible, prove me wrong.
EDIT: and CotH put it out a lot quicker didn't he...there isn't a Pokemon more physically sturdy than Regirock and even he takes 84% on avg...it's just not possible, stop wasting our time.
(PS. It had better not be Scarf Milotic)
I'm gonna assume the attack is Blizzard. It's the strongest Ice attack (it obviously can't be Avalanche) so lets go with it.
In order to OHKO a 4/0 neutral natured Garchomp through Yache Berry with Blizzard, a Pokemon would need:
a) 362 SpA without STAB
b) 242 SpA with STAB
Of course, there's always the potential for boosting items but I don't think the mystery Pokemon is holding an offensive boosting item - I think he has a Choice Scarf because the Pokemon needs to have 333 speed since it outruns Jolly Chomp. Here's a list of the Pokemon that are faster than 102 Spe.
Mismagius
Lopunny
Manectric
Electabuzz
Scyther
Rapidash
Kadabra
Infernape
Froslass
Latios
Latias
Lugia
Espeon
Jumpluff
Tauros
Gengar
Purugly
Azelf
Ambipom
Floatzel
Raikou
Starmie
Sneasel
Persian
Arceus
Alakazam
Dugtrio
Darkrai
Weavile
Swellow
Shaymin
Crobat
Mewtwo
Aerodactyl
Electrode
Deoxys A, Deoxys, Deoxys-S
Ninjask
The only Pokemon there that can take a +2 Outrage are Arceus and Lugia, neither of which can do it with no investment and 20% of their health remaining.
So we need a Pokemon that has at least 223 Spe (the minimum speed that you can outrun Jolly Chomp with whilst holding a Scarf), 362 SpA (or 248 SpA and Ice STAB) as well as the ability to take a +2 Outrage with no EV investment.
Lets assume first that he doesn't have STAB. To reach 362 SpA, you'd need at least over 115 SpA. That leaves you with the following:
Yanmega
Shaymin-S
Giratina
Arceus
Togekiss
Magneton
Kadabra
Azelf
Magmortar
Roserade
Gardevoir
Moltres
Zapdos
Exeggutor
Heatran
Magnezone
Latios
Espeon
Gengar
Darkrai
Porygon-Z
Alakazam
Palkia
Dialga
Deoxys
Rayquaza
Kyogre
Mewtwo
Deoxys-A
So from that list, Dialga works. With an EV spread of Bold 124 HP / 252 Def / 104 SpA / 28 Spe @ Choice Scarf he takes an average of 79% from a 788 Atk STAB Outrage. The Choice Scarf and Spe EVs put him at 334 Spe and the SpA EVs put him at 362 SpA granting him a 2.56% chance of OHKOing a 4/0 Garchomp @ Yache Berry. A minute chance, yes, but still possible. But you insist that the Pokemon has no EV investment so that's useless. With no investment, +2 Outrage easily OHKO's Dialga.
So lets assume that he does have STAB? Er...the only Pokemon that springs to mind who even has close to a chance are Cloyster and Articuno but at 0/0, both are OHKO'd.
So with all that said, I'm fairly certain it's impossible, prove me wrong.
EDIT: and CotH put it out a lot quicker didn't he...there isn't a Pokemon more physically sturdy than Regirock and even he takes 84% on avg...it's just not possible, stop wasting our time.
(PS. It had better not be Scarf Milotic)
That was too confrontional. If you know the answer, you could just test it. I won't PM you, test it tomorrow if you want, I assure you it is true. It is solvable.
It is not Milotic. I give a hint. Y is STAB.
It is not Milotic. I give a hint. Y is STAB.
I was afraid it'd be Milotic, too, but Milotic takes 158% minimum from Outrage so that can't possibly be it.
Reply to Aquamilotic: I've been through a ton of testing, running a bunch of Pokemon through my damage calculator to see what else could take it, but I can't find anything else. Besides, I like Lee's explanation of why there's no solution better than mine. XD
Reply to Aquamilotic: I've been through a ton of testing, running a bunch of Pokemon through my damage calculator to see what else could take it, but I can't find anything else. Besides, I like Lee's explanation of why there's no solution better than mine. XD
Aquamilotic already said that X has no Defense EVs.
Regice can't come close to surviving the Outrage, much less take only 80% from it.
EDIT: And Lee, that doesn't prove X is OU; it just means that X is not Uber.
EDIT2: Are we really to assume that X can OHKO YacheChomp WITHOUT Attack/Special Attack EVs?
Nope, not for this puzzle, that takes 85% minimum. :P
Yeah, that's what I meant. 'usable in OU'
Aaaaaaanyway.
aquamilotic said:
sigh *deep breath*
list of fully evolved Ice Pokemon followed by the absolute minimum damage they take from a 788 STAB Outrage whilst at 0/0
Dewgong = 161 %
Cloyster = 106 %
Jynx = 381 %
Articuno = 144 %
Glalie = 171 %
Walrein = 129%
Regice = 142 %
Abomasnow = 170 %
Weavile = 217 %
Glaceon = 146 %
Mamoswine = 143 %
Froslass = 205 %
Arceus @ Ice Plate = 96.33 %
gg, we're finished here. Explain it now.
Well, the riddle also specifies it has to be over 90 base speed (and with a +speed nature to outspeed Yachecomp). Since nothing outside of ubers can take a +2 Outrage over that speed, it's impossible.
~540 is the minimum SpA for an un-STAB Ice Beam to always OHKO Yachechomp.
~430 SpA for Blizzard.
The highest SpA for an Ice Type in the speed tier is Froslass who does: (90.76% - 107.56%) with Blizzard.
Alakazam has the highest non-uber SpA in the speed tier that the riddle specifies, he reaches 369 with 252 SpA EVs.
The riddle is impossible, it nearly requires a Specs attack, but nothing could survive.
~540 is the minimum SpA for an un-STAB Ice Beam to always OHKO Yachechomp.
~430 SpA for Blizzard.
The highest SpA for an Ice Type in the speed tier is Froslass who does: (90.76% - 107.56%) with Blizzard.
Alakazam has the highest non-uber SpA in the speed tier that the riddle specifies, he reaches 369 with 252 SpA EVs.
The riddle is impossible, it nearly requires a Specs attack, but nothing could survive.
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Cloyster
Blizzard
Choice Scarf
The Outrage calculation works, the speed with a scarf works too, and the move is STAB so it OHKOs.
Cloyster
Blizzard
Choice Scarf
The Outrage calculation works, the speed with a scarf works too, and the move is STAB so it OHKOs.