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I've been meaning to use Skill Swap Bronzong (Levi) with Heatran.
Maybe it would work nicely in a sunny day team :/
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That's actually really clever! I sounds like it would work.

Just be sure to take all possibilities into consideration before bringing it to VGC. Make sure Fake Out, Dark Void, and opposing weather conditions don't mess you up. And like every body is saying, you might not want to try it without TR up.
 
lordkira said:
that's true
i'm running dialga, heatran, groudon, bronzong
the only problem is i have tr members with perf ivs and everything ready for dialga, groudon, and bronzong but not heatran
i feel like it'd take a while again -_-

@Pokerama: HEY DON'T STEAL MY IDEA! well if it works lmk lol
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It seems like my Low Kick Toxicroak may run through that team.
 
Kylogre said:
brave smeargle lets you fake out an opponent that may be trying to take down your smeargle seems to free you up for trick room easier and dark void on round 2. although i'm quite partial to togekiss's follow me as it seems invaluable... he can lure in all the fake outs, taunts, earth powers, etc. but all in all, trick room's not as good this year. i've not had a single issue stopping it or waiting it out.

how did i overlook this?:
"In a double battle, moves that hit multiple targets do 75% of the damage they do in one-on-one battles."
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Trick Room is actually good, you just haven't fought a good Trick Room team yet. The ones I've used have done fairly well - when they win, it's usually a 3-0...and they can also function without Trick Room. :)
 
I don't think Toxicroak will be that much of a problem. Dry Skin will make him fear Heat.

Kyogre might be a pain, Groudon that aren't focused on being the slowest weather inducer are also a problem. Taunt Mewtwo is also a problem.

I'm not trying to discourage the idea, I'm just saying VGC isn't the best place to use this combo. It would work better in OU doubles.
 
Agreed. I'm hoping someone tries pulling that strat a CPU used in Pokemon Collisseum. Slowking Skill Swaps with Slaking, let's go, lol.
 
Agreed. I'm hoping someone tries pulling that strat a CPU used in Pokemon Collisseum. Slowking Skill Swaps with Slaking, let's go, lol.
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Lol. Slowking used Skill Swap. After Slacking gains Own Tempo, Slowking uses Swagger on it.

It's sucks that those strategies won't work in the VGC this year. Both Pokemon will be destroyed attempting to set up.


That combo is almost as infamous as levitate plus EQ combo.
 
I don't think Slowking's that bad in doubles. I'm sure if someone knows what their doing, they can use him well.

Unless your referring to Slacking...Then thats another story.

All in all, niether of them are that bad, especially when they have the right partners.
 
Rein said:
I don't think Slowking's that bad in doubles. I'm sure if someone knows what their doing, they can use him well.

Unless your referring to Slacking...Then thats another story.

All in all, niether of them are that bad, especially when they have the right partners.
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Slowking was my idea as a TR back in 09 that got Vash 2nd palce at Philly during the regionals. its a great pokemon for doubles and also didnt Gracie use a Slowking in her team who got 3rd place back at 09 championships?

Edit: Slaking was used in the final rounds for VGC 07 in japan but failed to do alot of damage and was quickly K.O.ed
 
Slaking was used in the final rounds for VGC 08 in japan but failed to do alot of damage and was quickly K.O.ed
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Slacking is in the same predicament as Regigigas. It's an absolute monster, w/ good in every stat (except Sp Defense, which is it's only stat below 95), but suffers from a horrible ability.

I'm tempted to use him in the VGC, but I can't come up with that many fool-proof combinations with him, considering all the Ubers running mad.
 
Haku16 said:
correct me if im wrong but do you mean Slaking?
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oh crap yep -_- my bad
oh and i also wouldn't say slowking is among the top threat list

slaking and regigigas all are very powerful in terms of power but there are now "UBERs" allowed in the match who also have comparable power but without the TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE ability. I'd rather use regi and slaking in singles than doubles personally as the terrible drawback from their abilities, as mentioned prviously, are really doubled in the doubles.
 
Thx for the video.

Both of the people battling in that video really made some bad mistakes, though (EQing his own Shuckle after Guard Swap, Exploding on his unprotected partner, and using Hyper Beam when Giga Impact would caused more damage even w/o Attack investment).
I'm still teampted to do a comb of Shuckle and Slaking. Shuckle can withstand Slaking's EQs and can use Gastro Acid to surpass Traunt.

Regi is annoying because he doesn't get Protect (or Rest, but you wouldn't use that in the VGC). He's the only Pokemon who doesn't (that way, he doesn't stall-out his own ability).


slaking and regigigas all are very powerful in terms of power but there are now "UBERs" allowed in the match who also have comparable power but without the TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE ability. I'd rather use regi and slaking in singles than doubles personally as the terrible drawback from their abilities, as mentioned prviously, are really doubled in the doubles.
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I prefer them in doubles, that way their partner can get rid of that foul ability w/ Skill Swap, Gatsro Acid or Worry Seed (which, Slaking is immune to from some random reason).
Gastro Acid and Worry Seed would also help to keep me from fighting with the weather by completely remove the abilities Drizzle, Drought, Snow Warning, Sandstream, and Air Lock from the battle.


The only thing Slaking has to worry about is Ubers abusing his only low stat, Sp. Defense. Over 75% of Uber are Sp. Attackers.
 
Rein said:
Slacking is in the same predicament as Regigigas. It's an absolute monster, w/ good in every stat (except Sp Defense, which is it's only stat below 95), but suffers from a horrible ability.

I'm tempted to use him in the VGC, but I can't come up with that many fool-proof combinations with him, considering all the Ubers running mad.
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What has worked for me with Slaking (which probably won't work anymore because everyone is reading this) Is you start with Azelf and a ghost (preferably Giratina). Most people think Azelf is gonna blow up, so they protect or switch, giving you a free turn to do something. As they protect/switch, I switch out giratina and use skill Swap with Azelf. Slaking comes out in Giratina's place and get's teh Skill Swap. Then you just blow up with Azelf after it's Truant Turn. Slaking can definitely handle ubers with his base attack.

The only trouble I've had with this was when they started with a ghost as weel. But normally if they do have a ghost out they attack Giratina with a ghost type move for a Super-effective attack. Slaking comes in instead and he gets a free switch (for obvious reasons.) this has worked for me almost everytime. The only problem being sp. Def. (THough he learns Amnesia if you are really worried about it).

EDIT: My moveset for this Slaking (Jolly) Is Night Slash (egg move), Low Kick, Return, and Protect (for when Azelf explodes and to ease prediction). I'm not saying this is the only Slaking use either, It's just been working well for me is all.




And about the Regigigas thing. If you remove Slow Start, he still has the Drop (Tested A LOT).
 
well your forgetting dozer, that people have thier own agenda in VGC, like scarfvoid or fake out leads, things that might be able to stop azelf from skill swapping as easy as you said it :p
 
in doubles they require support. that's one problem. in singles, they do as well but it's not as big as a big drawback as it is in the doubles. furthermore, in doubles, we can now use ubers that are as good or better than regigig and slaking, while not needing as nearly as much support and are without the horrendous disability.
 
Thx for the advice, Dozer. That's a really good idea!
I completely forgot he could learn Amnesia until I saw Bulbapedia last night....
Getting Regigigas' ability removed will make it so that after he switches out and back in, his attack/speed will be normal and not halved.

furthermore, in doubles, we can now use ubers that are as good or better than regigig and slaking, while not needing as nearly as much support and are without the horrendous disability.
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Slaking has a few things that most Ubers don't have. The element of surprise, he is a bit more stable than most Ubers w/ his gargantuan HP (150/100/65), he can cripple enemies w/ encore, EQ from 160 attack is nothing to laugh at, neither is STAB Return.

They only need one turn of support if your using Gastro Acid, and 3 if your usin Skill Swap (Skill Swap lets you pass Traunt/Slow Start to the enemy.

Encore and Flail can also work horrifyingly well, considering he's faster then all but 2 of the Pokemon commonly used (Palkia, who he ties w/, and Mewtwo).

This is how Slaking would handle the Pokemon in the threat list shown earlier in the thread. I wouldn't recommend using the elemental Punches unless it's really needed to aid the team your using. Flinging an Iron Ball can also be used to stop Mewtwo and Giratina in their tracks, but it takes some prediction and can only be used once. And if they Protect, then you just wasted an Iron Ball and a move slot. Punishment could work well, but there won't be too many stat boosters in the VGC. Hammer Arm isn't recommended, mainly because of the speed drop. Amnesia is an option if you get a chance to set it up. Priority kills Flail, but that's only a worry w/ Rayquaza, RP Groudon, Metagross, Toxicroak, Abomasnow,and Scizor. Because there are so many priority users in VGC, Flail (and Reversal) are not recommended. Yawn and Encore are options if you could set them up. Encore on Slaking will cause your opponents Jaw to Drop.

Kyogre- Return, Thunder Punch
Groudon- Return, Ice Punch
Rayquaza- Return, Ice Punch, Rock Slide
Mewtwo- Return, Night Slash, Sucker Punch, Shadow Claw
Metagross- EQ, Fire Punch
Smeargle- Anything not Shadow Claw, sleep is eminent if Slaking's outrun. He can Taunt Smeargle.
Toxicroak- EQ, Fire Punch, Arial Ace (I wouldn't recommend it...)
Togekiss- Return, EQ, Rocklside T-Punch, Ice Punch
Weavile- Return, Rock Slide, Fire Punch
Ludicolo- Return, Arial Ace (once again, avoid using it...)
Dialga- EQ, Low Kick
Palkia- Return
Abomasnow- Return, Rock Slide, Fire Punch
Zapdos- Rock Slide, Return, Ice Punch
Lugia- Rock Slide, Sucker Punch, Night Slash, Shadow Claw, Ice Punch, T-Punch, Return, Taunt
Ho-oh- Return, Rock Slide, T-Punch
Giratina- Shadow Claw, Sucker Punch, Night Slash, Ice Punch
Giratina-O-See the above
Blissey- Retrun, Low Kick, EQ
Tyranitar- EQ, Low Kick
Latias- Ice Punch, Return, Shadow Claw, Night Slash, Taunt
Latios- All the above + Sucker Punch - Taunt
Garchomp- Ice Punch, Return
Kingdra- Return
Shiftry- Fire Punch (best option, Shiftry is usually in the sun), Return, Ice Punch, Low Kick to some extent, Protect when you think he's ready to Explode.
Jumpluff- Ice Punch, Return, Fire Punch (same as Shiftry), Taunt
Exeggutor- Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Return, Protect if you think it will Explode.
Gengar- Night Slash, Shadow Claw, Sucker Punch. Trick is annoying. Protect if you think it has Explosion.
Snorlax- Low Kick, Return
Infernape- Should avoid. EQ, that's about it. Chances are it will be a OHKO, but Slaking will usually be outrun.

Shedinja - Rock Slide, Night Slash, Fire Punch, Sucker Punch
Cresselia - Night Slash, Taunt, Shadow Claw, Return. Not easy to OHKO....
Hippowdon - Taunt, than spam Ice Punch/Return.
Clefable - Return
Azelf - Protect, Taunt, Sucker Punch, Shadow Claw, Night Slash
Heracross - Arial Ace, Fire Punch



BTW, it has been revealed by the American Official Pokemon website that the VGC will be held in June, 2010. They also mentioned it's in Indianapolis.
 
element of surprise is good but a surprise is only a surprise. His HP is nice but there are ubers that can match that with much more consistency (i.e., giratina/-o), who not need as nearly as much attention from the other teammates as the regiggig and slaking do. Slaking's speed is on par with palkia but not mewtwo so I think you made a mistake there. This is a similar idea with the skill swap idea that I gave out with Heatran and bronzong but after talking with some of my cousins who are competitive battlers in Korea, they told me an interesting point that I have missed out on, with the current UBERs allowed, too much support isn't advisable as the meta has shifted towards an incredibly fast-paced one. While Slaking may have worked (as well as regig) quite well in 09, without the UBERs as options, the two will lack consistency in the current one, where their ablity really is a let down. Alot of ubers can do what regiggigas and slaking can but without skill swap or that extra support and consistently. It is true however, that the two are of huge surprise factor but really that's it.
 
Random question: Can pokemon that are caught/hatched at unrealistic dates (many years in the future or past) be used for the VGC? Or would you be disqualified if you tried to do that?
 
As I said, Slaking only needs 1 turn of Gastro Acid.

I'm just spitting out some ideas, though, and I'm trying to give a few examples of thinking outside the box.


BTW, would a combo like this work well for an anti-weather team;

Rayquaza
Air Lock

~Energy Ball (Stop Groudon, Kyogre and T-Tar)
~Outrage/Dragon Pulse
~Overheat/Fire Blast/Flamethrower (Abomasnow)
~(Filler-Shadow Claw for Mewtwo or Protect for Explosion)

Shiftry
Chlorophyl

~Fake Out
~Grass Knot/Low Kick
~Explosion
~Sucker Punch/Solar Beam


Ludicolo
Swift Swim

~Fake Out
~Grass Knot
~Hydro Pump
~Ice Beam


Zapdos
Pressure

~Thunder
~Heat Wave
~Roost
~Protect


I'm not 100% sure about the attacks, but would the Pokemon work well? I don't excpect both Ludicolo and Shiftry be out at once, which is why 2 Fake Outs.


Random question: Can pokemon that are caught/hatched at unrealistic dates (many years in the future or past) be used for the VGC? Or would you be disqualified if you tried to do that?
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Good question...I never thought about it...lol!
I think they will be allowed. I doubt they will check the dates when they are busy making sure nobody is using a hacked game/cheating.
 
If your DS's date is set to that date and such then I thikn it's fine.
I've yet to hear of such disqualifications...but there are people who probably know for sure.
 
Out of the gastro acid users, there aren't (pretty much) any usable pokemons. The likes of Vilepume and victrebeel can be on a sd team but really they aren't too great. Anti-weather...I personally pretty much always use Palkia and Rayquaza as the two ubers. Rayquaza for an obvious reason(s), Palkia as a pokemon who can work in both weathers...though he will have a movepool problem with protect and fire blast.

edit: crap sorry about the double post guys -_-;;
edit2: Rein, what about Palkia instead of ludicolo?
 
pokerama said:
well your forgetting dozer, that people have thier own agenda in VGC, like scarfvoid or fake out leads, things that might be able to stop azelf from skill swapping as easy as you said it :p
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Actually I did mess up. I meant REplace Giratina with Gengar (Who can skill swap). And then switch out Azelf into Slaking as GENGAR skill Swaps, then blow up. Gengar cannot be faked out (Except by Kanga who I have yet to see). the Scarfvoid thing would be the problem, but most people dont know if the Azelf is scarfed, and they dont want to risk missing anyway, so they switch out. Slaking will have to eat some fake outs though, as he is switching in for Azelf.
 
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