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Pokemon VGC 2010 DATES / rules announced for the US!
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Why would you guess someone to use something when you yourself wouldnt use?
Giratina's set will probably be
Dragon Claw
Shadow Force
Protect/Substitute
Shadow Sneak
I have never seen it hit my partner, either. I used to use it in doubles for about a month on PBR. I didn't have a double battle team ready, and I wanted to play on PBR, so...
It never hit my partner, and according to bulbapedia, it doesn't hit your partner, just the foes.
Just because I wouldn't do something, or xXxNovaxXx wouldn't do something, or even if nobody on this thread would do something, doesn't mean that nobody in the world would do it.
Being locked into a dragon move isn't that bad. It's not like being locked into a weak move or anything. Only steel resists dragon, and it has an nice 120 BP as well as perfect accuracy. I have never had a problem w/ Outrage. Also, as I said earlier, Sleep Talkers don't get locked into Outrage (Sleep Talk won't allow it because your using Sleep Talk, not Outrage).
Being locked into a dragon move in the VGC is somewhat problematic...though....
It gives your enemy an easier time predicting, in that case. And also, you can't control which enemy it hits, so you'll often have the problem of it hitting the wrong opponent at the wrong time.
It never hit my partner, and according to bulbapedia, it doesn't hit your partner, just the foes.
Mainly because people have different preferences. I.e. I would never use Zap Cannon or Dynamic Punch, even with Gravity up, but more then enough people would put it on their Porygon-Zs and almost everyone puts it on Dusknoir.
Just because I wouldn't do something, or xXxNovaxXx wouldn't do something, or even if nobody on this thread would do something, doesn't mean that nobody in the world would do it.
Being locked into a dragon move isn't that bad. It's not like being locked into a weak move or anything. Only steel resists dragon, and it has an nice 120 BP as well as perfect accuracy. I have never had a problem w/ Outrage. Also, as I said earlier, Sleep Talkers don't get locked into Outrage (Sleep Talk won't allow it because your using Sleep Talk, not Outrage).
Being locked into a dragon move in the VGC is somewhat problematic...though....
It gives your enemy an easier time predicting, in that case. And also, you can't control which enemy it hits, so you'll often have the problem of it hitting the wrong opponent at the wrong time.
What do people think of a Choice Scarf Kyogre with a Hasty Shiftry. If you get weather out then kyogre is set to destroy while if sun comes out then shiftry can take out Groudon. I'm going to use Kyogre but I dont want my team to be based around weather. If I'm battling a team whose purpose is to beat weather then I succeded becuase i won't need to cry when my rain stops. I think brute force will win this VGC no matter what anyone says. Taking risks in this VGC is what it's all about. You don't want to battle the same rain dance team everyone is going to use. I know for sure that more then have is going to run Kyogre Ludicolo Palkia Toxicroak. What fun will this be?
The player with groudon will probably protect groudon and kill shiftry with it partner so its not really a great idea. Ludicolo and toxicroak are better with kyogre as a lead.
Ludi is more common as it Fakes out the opponents fake outer so they cant flinch Kyogre. He is most likely faster as he has Swft Swim, so he even beats things like Weavile to the punch. Toxicroak is a fake outer as well, but loses in speed to an opponent's Weavile or Ambipom. (not saying anyone uses Ambi, just saying.)
I have to agree that Ludicolo is the better choice when paired with Kyogre as a lead, even when it isn't focused on rain. I used Hasty Shiftry for my anti-weather team, but if you need Shiftry to get a jump on sun teams, than Ludi will do a better job. My Shiftry is only there to take out common Mewtwo, Giratina, Kyogre, Groudon, and Tyranitar leads, then Explode or switch out.
Ludicolo is powered up if your Kyogre does get to keep his weather, and he does a better job against sun teams because:
a) He can easily take both Fire and Grass attacks, while Shiftry's bad defenses won't let him take much.
b) Ludicolo gets Hydro Pump, Surf, Ice Beam, Blizzard, and Grass Knot to finish of most common sunny users, while Shiftry can use Leaf Storm to cover Groudon, and stops there.
I know you really want to be unique (I would go nuts if I was forced to use the exact same team as everyone else, too), but Ludicolo is one of the best Pokemon to counter Sun Teams because of it's typing and move pool, weather rain is up or not.
BTW, Here are a few common leads:
Abomasnow + Mewtwo
Sets up Hail, then abuses Blizzard.
Clefable / Togekiss + Dialga
Any Follow Me walls can be used, but most people prefer Clefable or Togekiss. One uses Follow Me, while Dialga Trick Rooms.
Kyogre + Palkia
Set up rain, then sweeps.
Groudon + Shiftry
Set up Sun, than sweep.
Ludicolo is powered up if your Kyogre does get to keep his weather, and he does a better job against sun teams because:
a) He can easily take both Fire and Grass attacks, while Shiftry's bad defenses won't let him take much.
b) Ludicolo gets Hydro Pump, Surf, Ice Beam, Blizzard, and Grass Knot to finish of most common sunny users, while Shiftry can use Leaf Storm to cover Groudon, and stops there.
I know you really want to be unique (I would go nuts if I was forced to use the exact same team as everyone else, too), but Ludicolo is one of the best Pokemon to counter Sun Teams because of it's typing and move pool, weather rain is up or not.
BTW, Here are a few common leads:
Abomasnow + Mewtwo
Sets up Hail, then abuses Blizzard.
Clefable / Togekiss + Dialga
Any Follow Me walls can be used, but most people prefer Clefable or Togekiss. One uses Follow Me, while Dialga Trick Rooms.
Kyogre + Palkia
Set up rain, then sweeps.
Groudon + Shiftry
Set up Sun, than sweep.
The use of Ludicolo is starting to worry me. Currently my team consists of Groudon and Latios then Mewtwo and something else. If I was to face an opposing Ludicolo, nothing I could do with my two leads would be able to OHKO it, so I might lose my Groudon. Anyone have a suggestion for something I could place in my last slot to counter this threat?
Lol. All this talk of Ludicolo.....
I would put a Bug Pokemon such as Shidinja, Ninjask, Sizor. Scizor would also help because your team of Mewtwo, Latios and Groudon has a large Dark weakness. Weavile is a pretty large threat, considering it can out-speed and hurt Groudon and Latios w/ Ice Shard/Ice Punch and Sucker Punch/Night Slash.
The only to other types that hit him for super effective damage are Poison and Flying, which aren't the best attacking types. Or you could try Walling Ludicolo w/ Mewtwo and a Steel type or something that would resists it's attacks/is relatively bulky.
The best way of dealing damage to Ludicolo would probably be hitting it w/ a strong physical attack. He has a good Sp. Defense of 100, so it will usually be better to take advantage of it's lower Base 70 Defense. The main moves to watch out for are Ice Beam, Hydro Pump, Surf, Grass Knot, Energy Ball, and Fake Out.
I would put a Bug Pokemon such as Shidinja, Ninjask, Sizor. Scizor would also help because your team of Mewtwo, Latios and Groudon has a large Dark weakness. Weavile is a pretty large threat, considering it can out-speed and hurt Groudon and Latios w/ Ice Shard/Ice Punch and Sucker Punch/Night Slash.
The only to other types that hit him for super effective damage are Poison and Flying, which aren't the best attacking types. Or you could try Walling Ludicolo w/ Mewtwo and a Steel type or something that would resists it's attacks/is relatively bulky.
The best way of dealing damage to Ludicolo would probably be hitting it w/ a strong physical attack. He has a good Sp. Defense of 100, so it will usually be better to take advantage of it's lower Base 70 Defense. The main moves to watch out for are Ice Beam, Hydro Pump, Surf, Grass Knot, Energy Ball, and Fake Out.
What is a good nature for togekiss in doubles..I want to use him for fake out/air slash/follow me?????? I have also been seeing a lot of psych up teams using blissey...what do you guys think of this strategy???
Togekiss doesn't get Fake Out.....
The nature depends:
*If he's using Follow Me, you might want to make him bulky with something like Calm or Bold.
*If you want to hit hard w/ Air Slash, than you may want to make him Modest
*If you want Flinchax, then you will need to outspeed a lot of Pokemon, meaning something like Timid.
You need to come up with some EVs and a purpose for Togekiss on your team before anything else.
As for Psych Up......It's very risky.....
The main problem is that your partner/whoever your getting boosts from might not get a chance to boost their stats/die trying. I have seen it work, but it's still not an easy task to complete.
Of all Pokemon to boost, Blissey and Lugia are probably the easiest Pokemon to have set up. Blissey cries in the face of Taunt Mewtwo, but Lugia is still an option.
The nature depends:
*If he's using Follow Me, you might want to make him bulky with something like Calm or Bold.
*If you want to hit hard w/ Air Slash, than you may want to make him Modest
*If you want Flinchax, then you will need to outspeed a lot of Pokemon, meaning something like Timid.
You need to come up with some EVs and a purpose for Togekiss on your team before anything else.
As for Psych Up......It's very risky.....
The main problem is that your partner/whoever your getting boosts from might not get a chance to boost their stats/die trying. I have seen it work, but it's still not an easy task to complete.
Of all Pokemon to boost, Blissey and Lugia are probably the easiest Pokemon to have set up. Blissey cries in the face of Taunt Mewtwo, but Lugia is still an option.
Thanks for the advice. Weavile really isn't a problem for my team, but do you know of a good set for Scizor?
For Scizor, a good move set would be something like:
Scizor @ Life Orb
Technician
~ Bug Bite
~ Bullet Punch
~ Brick Break/Super Power
~ Roost/Pursuit
All of the attacks get a boost from Technician except Brick Break and Super Power. Bug Bite for STAB and hurting grass and Psychic Pokemon like Mewtwo, Latias, Abomasnow, Ludicolo, Shiftry, etc. Bullet Punch is for Priority and STAB. While many Pokemon resist Steel, it is still a good move to have in case you need to finish a weakened opponent before it finishes you. Brick Break and Super Power are good for handling Pokemon like Dialga, Snorlax, and Tyranitar. Roost is for LO damage and might be good on Scizor in VGC because of his type a defense of 100. Pursuit can also be used if you would rather have an extra attack. Scizor has a lot of good moves, but his move pool is somewhat limited. This makes up for the fact that the few moves he does get are very useful and can usualy be used pretty well.
This is probably one of the best sets I can think of right now....I'll do some calculations and get a good EV set sometime tomorrow.
Scizor @ Life Orb
Technician
~ Bug Bite
~ Bullet Punch
~ Brick Break/Super Power
~ Roost/Pursuit
All of the attacks get a boost from Technician except Brick Break and Super Power. Bug Bite for STAB and hurting grass and Psychic Pokemon like Mewtwo, Latias, Abomasnow, Ludicolo, Shiftry, etc. Bullet Punch is for Priority and STAB. While many Pokemon resist Steel, it is still a good move to have in case you need to finish a weakened opponent before it finishes you. Brick Break and Super Power are good for handling Pokemon like Dialga, Snorlax, and Tyranitar. Roost is for LO damage and might be good on Scizor in VGC because of his type a defense of 100. Pursuit can also be used if you would rather have an extra attack. Scizor has a lot of good moves, but his move pool is somewhat limited. This makes up for the fact that the few moves he does get are very useful and can usualy be used pretty well.
This is probably one of the best sets I can think of right now....I'll do some calculations and get a good EV set sometime tomorrow.
I'm running this set, except that I'm going with this:
-Bug Bite
-Bullet Punch
-Pursuit
-Sword Dance
I mean, for my team, I don't need Brick Break or SuperPower because my Toxicroak is running Low Kick for guys like Dialga. I'll end up using Lum Berry and SD over Roost because I feel the need to make sure status doesn't screw me up, as well as, if I have the opportunity, boosting Scizor's power if I need it (though all of his moves get more power thanks to Technician, anyways).
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