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lol I guess that could work nicely. Especially with (toxic) Spikes/SR support.


Mixdos

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 234 Atk/184 Spd/92 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Waterfall
- Return
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast

Don't know if someone posted this before but I thought of it recently. As a common switch in to Gyara is skarmory to Phaze it out (at least it was in my experience)

I remembered it learned Fire Blast. My friend did the calcs and said with those Sp.Att EVs I could 2HKO skarm with leftovers and it hasn't failed me yet. Waterfall/Return for coverage and DD to boost my mediocre attack that I have left. I use it with spikes/SR support from Skarmory/Swampert respectively. Not sure about the nature though.
 
pajama said:
lol I guess that could work nicely. Especially with (toxic) Spikes/SR support.


Mixdos

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 234 Atk/184 Spd/92 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Waterfall
- Return
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast

Don't know if someone posted this before but I thought of it recently. As a common switch in to Gyara is skarmory to Phaze it out (at least it was in my experience)

I remembered it learned Fire Blast. My friend did the calcs and said with those Sp.Att EVs I could 2HKO skarm with leftovers and it hasn't failed me yet. Waterfall/Return for coverage and DD to boost my mediocre attack that I have left. I use it with spikes/SR support from Skarmory/Swampert respectively. Not sure about the nature though.
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Why even bother with Fire Blast when it can run Taunt to cripple it, allowing it to DD up more and sweep?
 
Bentendo13 said:
Why even bother with Fire Blast when it can run Taunt to cripple it, allowing it to DD up more and sweep?
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I run a all physical team (as far as offensive is concerned) so I really hate skarm, forretress and such. And True taunt may be superior but I'm more of a gimmick fan :p
 
BulkySupport'nape
Infernape@leftovers
252 HP/152 Defence/104 Speed
Timid/Jolly
Stealth Rock/U-turn
W-o-W
Flare Blitz/Fire Blast
Sleep talk/Counter/Taunt/Slack Off

Ok it looks like a total gimick at first, but please read more.

When i thougt of infernape as my next pokemon to make a new moveset for i thought "its OU everything it can do has been found" when i saw its support mover pool i thought wow! it has a HUGE support movepool with U-turn, stealth rock, taunt, encore, W-o-W, swagger, fake out, counter, calm mind, bulk up, slack off, roar, torment, sleep talk as the best moves. its defences are bad, but it can be EV'd to survive a Adamant Gyrados Waterfall before W-o-W. Thats a SE STAB Attack from one of the best sweepers and most common starters, not to shabby hey? The speed hits 300 with these evs enough to beat the nutral nature base 100's, the defences give you a 93% chance of surviveing two W-o-W'd waterfalls from a Adamant Gyrados.

Fire Blast or Flare Blitz is a hard choice, it realy depends on your team.

U-Turn: lets you switch out and do a little damage, best used with Flare Blitz as with Fire Blast you will want a -Attack nature, this 'nape wants its defences.
Stealth Rock is a vey useful support move, and is extremely unexpected on 'nape

Sleep Talk: Lets you stay in against pokemon like Gengar, Crobat, Roserade and all Yanmega.
Taunt: Can stop most SR leads, and get you a free turn against those who would stay in to set it up.
Counter: Can surprise oponents like Gyrados, but is probably the worst option.
Slack Off: I thought of it when i saw someones quote in a sig, but on this set it could work. Recovering off damage as your oponent flounders about not knowing what to do against this odd infernape.

Popular leads
  1. Gengar (14936 usages) Switch out unless you have Sleep talk.
  2. Gyarados (12040 usages) W-o-W it, then switch out.
  3. Tyranitar (11444 usages) it will run, use SR or U-turn on the switch.
  4. Bronzong (10269 usages) it will probably run, use SR/U-turn. If you think it will stay in FB or Taunt it.
  5. Salamence (8805 usages) Switch out, most are specs'd and will KO you with DM.
  6. Hippowdon (7896 usages) It will fail to KO with EQ and fail to 2KO after burn, W-o-W it set up SR then ether U-Turn/switch out or Fire blast if you have it.
  7. Ninjask (7674 usages) Taunt if you have it, otherwise U-turn and hope it breaks the sub, Flare Blitz will hurt you with recoil, and Fire Blast may miss.
  8. Yanmega (6504 usages) if it lacks sleep then FB it, otherwise use sleep talk/taunt, you resist its common attacks.
  9. Weavile (5868 usages) It will normaly run, unless it is the Sash-SD or Sash-Counter set, use W-o-W on it.
  10. Abomasnow (5531 usages) it will switch, use SR, U-turn or W-o-W.
  11. Swampert (5524 usages) This is risky... it may switch out or set up SR, depending on if it thinks you have GK. use Taunt, or switch.
  12. Azelf (5496 usages) RUN it will 1KO you with psychic.
  13. Roserade (5459 usages) Most are Sleep powder+spikes+sash, use sleep talk or switch out.
  14. Crobat (5211 usages) sleep talk or switch.
  15. Infernape (4907 usages) Switch, they will carry CC and outspeed you.
I was picking random pokemon and trying to find new movesets again, this time bugs.

here is all i could find for Beedrill

BerrySwarmDrill
Beedrill@Salac berry/Liechi Berry
252 Attack/4 Defence/252 Speed
Jolly
Substitute/Endure
X-Scissor
Poison Jab
Brick Break

With Swarm activated and a Speed or Attack boost this thing could do... well not much exept in NU. Ev's give it HP indivisable by 4 so you can sub 4 times and get the boosts.

Next i tryed to find the worst Pokemon and make some movesets

Kriketune@Salac berry
4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
Jolly/Adamant
Endure
Sing
Sword dance
X-Scissor

With this set you endure on the first turn activateind Swarm and Salac berry. You will then have 376 (or 343 with no + nature) speed so you should be able to outspeed and sing your oponent (hope it hits) as they switch you use Sword dance giveing you an attack of 807 or 885 with a + nature (295 or 269 x2 x1.5), thats more than a + nature max attack Sword Danced Heracross. In NU even pokemon that resist it will have problams. However anything will KO you and priority moves will destroy you.
 
Guard Swap does not work like that, it only switches stat boosts.

Janenmori said:
Drifblim @ Leichi Berry
Aftermath/Unburden
Jolly
252 spd /252 atk/4 Hp
~Will-o-Wisp/Thunder Wave/Recycle
~Substitute
~Hypnosis
~Explosion
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Not an effective gimmick at all. Its just a glorified exploder with no real purpose and no real threat.

If you wanted to take advantage of Recycle this setup would probably be more useful.

Drifblim @ Sitrus Berry
Unburden
~Will O Wisp
~Recycle
~HP Flying
~Calm Mind

A mini-zeppelin, CM up and WoW the physical attacks and Recycle/Sitrus provides recovery and activates Unburden. HP Flying is preferable as nothing has a immunity to it + gets STAB and two CM's + burn damage should let you hurt even the resistant pokemon.
 
I dunno how this EV spread would work (someone can PM me about that; i dunno how do it at all), but I wanna do a Dragonite VERY similar to the Tyraniboh that is very popular. They learn similar moves, and Dragonite has fewer weaknesses with the same attack power and more sp. attack and speed. This is how it would look like:

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Quiet
-Thunderbolt
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Dragon Claw

The only noticeable difference between dragonite and Tyraniboh is in addition to the typing and ability, dragonite gets his stabbed dragon claw, while Tyraniboh has his stabbed Crunch.

For EV spread, I would say 252 HP, but i dunno about the rest.
 
Guard Swap does not work like that, it only switches stat boosts.
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crap... now i have to think of a new Xatu set..

I wanna do a Dragonite VERY similar to the Tyraniboh that is very popular. They learn similar moves, and Dragonite has fewer weaknesses with the same attack power and more sp. attack and speed. This is how it would look like:
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Dragonite can not get 101 HP subs, so blissey could wall it. that is why Tar is better, but 'nite could work a similer set i suppose.

I dunno how this EV spread would work (someone can PM me about that; i dunno how do it at all), but
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i like the idea i will try to find a good spread for you. i am not the best but i will give it a go.

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Dragonite@leftovers
brave + attack - speed
252 HP/172 attack/78 sp. attack/8 speed

With focus punch it will do 91%-107% to 148HP/252 def bold blissey (even with max you can't always 1KO) and always KO 148HP/252 Defence Calm Blissey (many top players have swiched to calm). the 8 speed is there to outspeed 4 speed skarm. and the rest is dumped into sp. attack.
However you are best useing fire blast or ice beam over thunderbolt, and draco metior or outrage over dragon claw.
 
eric the espeon said:
Dragonite can not get 101 HP subs, so blissey could wall it. that is why Tar is better, but 'nite could work a similer set i suppose.


i like the idea i will try to find a good spread for you. i am not the best but i will give it a go.

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Dragonite@leftovers
brave + attack - speed
252 HP/172 attack/78 sp. attack/8 speed

With focus punch it will do 91%-107% to 148HP/252 def bold blissey (even with max you can't always 1KO) and always KO 148HP/252 Defence Calm Blissey (many top players have swiched to calm). the 8 speed is there to outspeed 4 speed skarm. and the rest is dumped into sp. attack.
However you are best useing fire blast or ice beam over thunderbolt, and draco metior or outrage over dragon claw.
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True, so it has problems with the blissey. Still great against many others.

Thanks for the help. I really wanna go with quiet, because the popular strategy is to abuse the attack with dragon dance, and not use any special moves, and it has 100 base power, which is quite nice, seeing that tyranitar's sp. attack gets used every now and then and it only has 95 power. Plus, dragonite gets access to boltbeam, flamethrower/fire blast, dragon pulse, surf, and dragon pulse. It would just be a very nice 'sleeper' move list. But thanks for the head-start.
 
Bran said:
True, so it has problems with the blissey. Still great against many others.
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acctuly if you get a sub up or use focus punch as they switch to blissey you will beat it, you are faster and at <10% HP any of your other moves will beat it.

Bran said:
Thanks for the help. I really wanna go with quiet, because the popular strategy is to abuse the attack with dragon dance, and not use any special moves, and it has 100 base power, which is quite nice, seeing that tyranitar's sp. attack gets used every now and then and it only has 95 power. Plus, dragonite gets access to boltbeam, flamethrower/fire blast, dragon pulse, surf, and dragon pulse. It would just be a very nice 'sleeper' move list. But thanks for the head-start.
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The thing is that a + attack nature gives you 34 extra attack points, and a + Sp. attack nature gives you only 29 extra attack. So a + Attack nature is better. If you want more Sp. Attack take some Ev's from HP or even Attack if you dont mind being partly walled by Blissey.


i have picked another bug to find movesets for: Ariados today i have done a set for a bug in every gen exept 3rd.

EndureSwarmDos
Ariados@Liechi Berry
4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
Adamant
Swarm
Endure
Sucker Punch
Bug Bite
Poison Jab

yay! Another Berry Swarmer!
anyway endure a hit that would KO you (anything stronger than a magikarps splash) and you will have 459 attack, and 688 when useing Bug bite. Arados's movepool if RUBBISH the only other move you could have is Return.

CB dos
Ariados@Choice Band
208 HP/252 Attack/48 Sp. defence
Insomnia/Swarm
Sucker Punch
Bug Bite
Poison Jab
Pursuit

Its not in the analysis, so its new!
ok its simple and Ariados is crap but it might do something in NU.
 
I'll repost this..

I'm just throwing ideas out there but, could this be a garchomp counter?

Gyarados @ leftovers
{impish}
evs: 252 hp / 252 defence / 4 attack
- Dragon dance
- Ice fang
- Waterfall
- Taunt / earthquake / stone edge / whatever

The strategy is to come in on whatever, lower his attack with intimidate, dance to outspeed it and then 1 hit ko it with ice fang.
Here are some calculations :

Gyarados' ice fang after a DD vs. a 4/0 garchomp : 100.56 - 118.44% damage.

Before a DD vs. a 4/0 garchomp : 67.88 - 79.61%


Max attack, adamant CB outrage : 46.19% - 54.31%. So with leftovers, that is a 3 hit. And with SS in play, gyarados has a 50/50 chance of surviving..

Max attack, adamant dragon claw, w/+1 attack : 60.15% - 70.81%.
That's a 2 hit, but gyara just DDs and kos with ice fang.
 
Gyrados -
SpeedyDos @ LifeOrb
Jolly 98Hp/252Att/160Spd

Using the standard DDdos moveset, with 1 DD it hits 396Spd and 524Att(681Att with LO). This set is meant to outspeed max speed Jolteon and Gengar who can outspeed the standard Bulky/DDdos even with a DragonDance up and 1HKO with T-bolt.

The only way to reach 396Spd was to use to speed boosting nature and therefore use lifeorb to cover the Att loss.
 
jolteon is barely ever seen. why not go to 405 to outspeed cs hera.
if a gengar is staying in on a dded gyara odds are it is scarf so it outspeed you anyways.

but yeah lifeorb ddgyara is cool, if by standard dd moveset you mean 2 attacks.
 
Azelf @ choicescarf
Hasty
evs:252 speed/252 sp.attack
thunderbolt
hp ice
psychic
explosion

I got pretty fucking tired of all the lead scarfgars so I made this little guy. He KO's
any cocky gengars thinking they're faster than you and he can also revenge kill any dragons or Gyrados assuming they have less than 3 DD's
 
I <3 this variation on CMBliss. A million times better IMO. Gets a whole heap of surprise kills most matches and it almost makes me giddy.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Def / 108 SpA
-Calm Mind
-Flamethrower
-Grass Knot
-Softboiled.

Flamethrower deals with Forretress, Scizor and fire weak stuff that likes to stat up such as Lucario. Grass Knot does a whole heap to Tyranitar Swampert, and Bulky Waters. Natural Cure can now be supplemented which is great as I can avoid pesky status with it. Modest gives it the kick against Tar, expecially against Boah who can no longer get that sub up against me hehehe :)
 
ok its simple and Ariados is crap but it might do something in NU.
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Hey ... as a fairly frequent Ariados user in both OU and UU, I resent that.

You just need to get used to using it, give it EV's that actually allow it to switch in, and a movset that allows it to contribute something useful.

I'm afaid EndureSwarmDos is doomed to fail due to its poor speed, swarm is a terrible trait on something this slow.

I've actually found that mixed Ariados can work quite well. You can either predominantly physical with Giga Drain/Psychic, or primarily special (its special movepool is better than its phyiscal) augmented by Sucker Punch/Shadow Sneak.

Hmm ... I'm almost tempted to create an Ariados war-story compilation-type thing.
 
Shiny Oddish said:
Hey ... as a fairly frequent Ariados user in both OU and UU, I resent that.
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wow you use it in OU? thas cool. but anyway i was saying that mostly due to this line in the ariados analysis
Slow, fragile, poor typing, terrible movepool. "Because I want to" is the only reason you'd ever be likely to use this awful arachnid.
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and the fact that it loks pretty bad at first. Maybe you could do a peer edit?

Shiny Oddish said:
I'm afaid EndureSwarmDos is doomed to fail due to its poor speed, swarm is a terrible trait on something this slow.
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ok what if i changed it to salac berry? 268 or 294 speed is not that bad.

Shiny Oddish said:
I've actually found that mixed Ariados can work quite well. You can either predominantly physical with Giga Drain/Psychic, or primarily special (its special movepool is better than its phyiscal) augmented by Sucker Punch/Shadow Sneak.
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yea... i looked at a sp. option but its base 60 sp. attack is just a bit too low to use without an awsome movepool.

Shiny Oddish said:
Hmm ... I'm almost tempted to create an Ariados war-story compilation-type thing.
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why not peer edit instead? i am sure you could do better than this http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/ariados


anyway what do you/anyone think of my other sets?
 
With tier reforms on the cards I don't think its worth eidting anything below OU at this point ... however when things are sorted, perhaps I'll look into it.
 
Meet my Basty.

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Bastiodon @Lefties. ***** "BrtishBull" [BritishBullDog.]
Sturdy. / Sassy. [+SpDef, -Spd.]
230HP, 184Def, 96SpDef.
-Taunt / Roar.
-Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Fire Blast.
-Stealth Rock.
-Earthquake / Metal Burst.

Let's see.

Taunt for Magcargo and Dusclops, Ice Beam for Dragonite, Fire Blast for Mamoswine, probably I'll might ditch TBolt.
If I'm going to use Roar, it'll be great with SRock,
And as for Metal Burst, just for STAB for Sneasel, but I'm gonna use EQ over it.

So, any ideas?
 
CounterBliss@Lefties
Bold
252 HP 252 DEF 6 SPEED
Counter
SoftBoiled
sesmic toss
toxic

...

Since people decide to use physical moves on a Blissey, Counter will work wonders. SoftBoiled is for healing, the evs+nature make sure you survive a physical hit. Sesmic toss is a filler move, toxic wears down the opponents health.
 
SkarmBliss said:
CounterBliss@Lefties
Bold
252 HP 252 DEF 6 SPEED
Counter
SoftBoiled
sesmic toss
toxic

...

Since people decide to use physical moves on a Blissey, Counter will work wonders. SoftBoiled is for healing, the evs+nature make sure you survive a physical hit. Sesmic toss is a filler move, toxic wears down the opponents health.
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This is not original. People already use counter Blissey, I don't see how the addition of focus sash is beneficial.


Anyway, this is mine:

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Weavile@choice scarf
Jolly nature
Evs: 140 spd, 252 atk, 116 hp
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace/Pursuit

Scarf Weavile, in a metagame full of scarf gengars and azelfs, could actually work. This particular one is ev'ed to survive an azelf flamethrower all the time, while providing a 40% chance of surviving Timid Scarf Azelf Fire Blast, non-boosted. All other scarfed opponents will watch in dismay as you outspeed and brutally kill them. It makes a great revenge anti-revenge killer. No more fear that Heatran will outspeed you, for if he switches in when the rocks are up, he is 2hko'ed by Brick Break. If you are really adventurous, Weavile could use Focus Punch over for a chance of OHKO.
 
I'm sorry, that was poorly worded. The idea for focus sash to go with counter isn't revolutionary- it would come to nearly anyone trying to make a new Blissey set, especially when considering Blissey's subpar defense. To me, I just saw focus sash as a superflouous item on a pokemon that would much rather have leftovers. I haven't seen a counter-sash Blissey recently, but considering that is a top-tier pokemon, I'm sure someone does use it.

My impression was that the set was just thrown together rather than thought about deeply, and I'm sorry if I came across harsh. To me, it since focus sash is already being used, then it will survive a physical hit anyway, and the defense ev's just reduce the damage done on it. Special defense ev's help it survive repeated special hits, preventing Specsluke from 2hko'ing you , taking Heatran Fire Blasts, etc.
 
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