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Or Lucario can concentrate on offense and some speed but equipped with a Choice Scarf.
Rash
236 ATK / 120 SP ATK / 154 SPD
That should balance both offenses and give it sweeper speed.
Or Lucario can concentrate on offense and some speed but equipped with a Choice Scarf.
Rash
236 ATK / 120 SP ATK / 154 SPD
That should balance both offenses and give it sweeper speed.
Here is a moveset I haven't tested. Before I invest a bunch of effort into breeding, I would like to get some opinions on it. Also, if anyone else has attempted it, let me know.
Tangrowth
block
giga drain or leech seed
sleep powder
complementary attack of your choice or knock off
This would probably run leftovers, a special defense boosting nature, high investment in hps, special defense. Say 252/0/0/0/184/0, perhaps sassy nature. The remaining 72 EVs should go into either attack or spatk, depending on build - maybe balls to the wall into sdef if you run a pure wall build. Trait is largely irrelevant. The idea being you block on the switch, absorb a hit and sleep them, recover with gigadrain/seed if appropriate and use the final move.
I'll be frank in saying I'm not sure this will work. Giga drain deals unimpressive damage versus the various steel types one would expect. Possibly leech seed is the better option. I am hesitant to run earthquake due to skarm and zong, yet focus blast lacks accuracy and PP. Maybe knock off to bone the all-important item use.
Little help here?
Tangrowth
block
giga drain or leech seed
sleep powder
complementary attack of your choice or knock off
This would probably run leftovers, a special defense boosting nature, high investment in hps, special defense. Say 252/0/0/0/184/0, perhaps sassy nature. The remaining 72 EVs should go into either attack or spatk, depending on build - maybe balls to the wall into sdef if you run a pure wall build. Trait is largely irrelevant. The idea being you block on the switch, absorb a hit and sleep them, recover with gigadrain/seed if appropriate and use the final move.
I'll be frank in saying I'm not sure this will work. Giga drain deals unimpressive damage versus the various steel types one would expect. Possibly leech seed is the better option. I am hesitant to run earthquake due to skarm and zong, yet focus blast lacks accuracy and PP. Maybe knock off to bone the all-important item use.
Little help here?
Oh, I forgot Gastrodon is in the indeterminate group. I thought it was water and ground groups x_x
Unimpressive, that's not very original, and I don't know if leftovers is necessary, due to electrode's unimpressive defenses. Why not expert belt or even life orb?
He's not going to survive very long.
HERE ARE SOME CALCULATIONS.
T-Tar 252/0 Neutral - 45.05% - 52.97%
T-Tar 60/0 Neutral - 51.12% - 60.11%
T-Tar 252/0 Neutral WITH CHOICE SPECS - 67.57% - 79.46%
T-Tar 60/0 Neutral WITH CHOICE SPECS - 76.69% - 90.17%
Weavile 6/0 Neutral - 73.76% - 86.52%
Weavile 6/0 Neutral WITH CHOICE SPECS- 110.64% - 130.14%
NOW
if you want to kill weavile with this set, you need to run specs, even with 252 Special Attack you don't kill weavile half the time, and it will OHKO you, no problem. IF you're aiming for T-Tar, you're better off running modest nature, but then again, you'll need 252 SPATK if you want to kill it 100% of the time. It's really what you want to kill, but remember, blissey walls you NO MATTER WHAT.
I know it's a bit of a gimmick set, but any opinions on this?
Absol @ Focus Sash
Nature: Brave
Ability: Super Luck
EV's: 252Atk, 200Hp, 52Def
- Taunt
- Me First
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
Requires insane prediction skills, but could cause some serious damage. Open with Taunt, surviving at least one hit with the Sash. Then, hit them with a guaranteed hit off Me First, or if they try and switch to break the taunt, Pursuit them. Sucker Punch also gets STAB, and hits a lot of types for big damage. I'm not sure about the EV's (I really, really suck at working out good spreads) but I think the overall idea is workable.
Absol @ Focus Sash
Nature: Brave
Ability: Super Luck
EV's: 252Atk, 200Hp, 52Def
- Taunt
- Me First
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
Requires insane prediction skills, but could cause some serious damage. Open with Taunt, surviving at least one hit with the Sash. Then, hit them with a guaranteed hit off Me First, or if they try and switch to break the taunt, Pursuit them. Sucker Punch also gets STAB, and hits a lot of types for big damage. I'm not sure about the EV's (I really, really suck at working out good spreads) but I think the overall idea is workable.
One flaw: Me First has 0 Priority.
Dragonite @ LO
-Naughty-
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
EarthQuake
Draco Meteor
Can't be bothered to work out EVs right now, should be fairly obvious.
Any comments?
-Naughty-
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
EarthQuake
Draco Meteor
Can't be bothered to work out EVs right now, should be fairly obvious.
Any comments?
Pokemon: Togekiss
name: Plot-Kiss
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Aura Sphere
move 3: Air Slash
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb
ability: Serene Grace
nature(s): Modest
evs: 174 hp/144 sp atk/192 Speed
Someone mentioned a Nasty Plot sweeper Togekiss awhile ago IIRC, but never made a moveset/EV's for it. The EV's give you enough speed to outpace Jolly TTar, who will OHKO you with Stone Edge, while the sp atk gives you enough for a guarenteed 2HKO on 252 HP Blissey including leftovers recovery. If the Life Orb recoil is off-putting, Expert Belt can be used in it's place. With 252 sp atk EV's, it does 52.94% - 62.32% to 252 HP Blissey after a Nasty Plot, which will be a 2HKO 99% of the time. Should be obvious, but this set is best used with lots of paralysis support. I haven't done any other damage calcs to see if a few more sp atk EV's would make any difference (assuming Life Orb), but this is the basic set.
name: Plot-Kiss
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Aura Sphere
move 3: Air Slash
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb
ability: Serene Grace
nature(s): Modest
evs: 174 hp/144 sp atk/192 Speed
Someone mentioned a Nasty Plot sweeper Togekiss awhile ago IIRC, but never made a moveset/EV's for it. The EV's give you enough speed to outpace Jolly TTar, who will OHKO you with Stone Edge, while the sp atk gives you enough for a guarenteed 2HKO on 252 HP Blissey including leftovers recovery. If the Life Orb recoil is off-putting, Expert Belt can be used in it's place. With 252 sp atk EV's, it does 52.94% - 62.32% to 252 HP Blissey after a Nasty Plot, which will be a 2HKO 99% of the time. Should be obvious, but this set is best used with lots of paralysis support. I haven't done any other damage calcs to see if a few more sp atk EV's would make any difference (assuming Life Orb), but this is the basic set.
That's not very original. :\
Whatsoever. Honestly, it's like DDNite except with Draco Meteor over Outrage and Life Orb instead of Lum Berry / Whatever.
This is the spread I run for Slowbro. Use it, love it.
Bold – 216 HP, 176 Def, 116 SpAtk
This EV spread is the best one you’d get for a bulky Slowbro. It lives through a CBRhyperior’s Megahorn and through his Jolly max Atk, Life Orbed, Swords Danced Earthquake. It has enough SpAtk to OHKO both Salamence and the non-bulky Garchomps (it guaranteedly OHKO’s 4 HP/no SpDef Garchomp, it OHKO’s 76 HP/0 SpDef Garchomp on average). Surf is a guaranteed OHKO on max HP/min SpDef Rhyperior and 4 HP/min SpDef Infernape. You also hit 1 point higher than a Lefties number (mainly because you don't have anywhere else to put those 4 extra EV points).
There is no need to waste EVs, lol. Max Def on Slowbro is generally stupid IMO.
Bold – 216 HP, 176 Def, 116 SpAtk
This EV spread is the best one you’d get for a bulky Slowbro. It lives through a CBRhyperior’s Megahorn and through his Jolly max Atk, Life Orbed, Swords Danced Earthquake. It has enough SpAtk to OHKO both Salamence and the non-bulky Garchomps (it guaranteedly OHKO’s 4 HP/no SpDef Garchomp, it OHKO’s 76 HP/0 SpDef Garchomp on average). Surf is a guaranteed OHKO on max HP/min SpDef Rhyperior and 4 HP/min SpDef Infernape. You also hit 1 point higher than a Lefties number (mainly because you don't have anywhere else to put those 4 extra EV points).
There is no need to waste EVs, lol. Max Def on Slowbro is generally stupid IMO.
*sigh* what's the moveset he's OHKO'ing these pokemon with?
that's pretty much THE STANDARD for posting "movesets."
Actually giving them MOVES.
@Fishin: While it's not original, you're right about it not appearing as a set and I guess it's understandable and acceptable to post it. I'd also list Flamethrower as a replacement for aura sphere, I find that it has some really nice meta-counters in Metagross and Skarmory.
lol, just run the standard slowbro set, Surf, Ice Beam, Slack Off, and T-Wave.
Then... how is this original?
Changing the EV's doesn't make it original or creative.
Just saying.
Actually...with one Nasty Plot (and the EV's I listed combined with Life Orb), Aura Sphere does 98.20% - 115.57% to a 252 HP Skarm, 73.63% - 86.54% to a 252 hp Metagross, and 89.04% - 104.65% to a 0 hp Metagross (might be nice for a guarenteed OHKO on Meta and for damaging Bronzong/Jirachi more, but eh). And I really can't see many uses for Flamethrower outside of those offhand (for the record, both Forry and Scizor are OHKO'd by Air Slash).
Improved Special Sweeper Milotic
Modest Choice Scarf
252 Sp. Atk 252 Spd
Surf
Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power Electric/ Hidden Power Fire
Hypnosis
Posted something similar to this awhile back, but I added upon it... One'll NEED a good Hidden Power, and some kickass Ivs...That'll give it 390 Speed and 328 Sp. Atk, which I think is pretty sweet...Either Boltbeam or Dragonfire will give it excellent coverage, but Dragonfire is particulairly nasty because Surf will eliminate Heatran...
Modest Choice Scarf
252 Sp. Atk 252 Spd
Surf
Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power Electric/ Hidden Power Fire
Hypnosis
Posted something similar to this awhile back, but I added upon it... One'll NEED a good Hidden Power, and some kickass Ivs...That'll give it 390 Speed and 328 Sp. Atk, which I think is pretty sweet...Either Boltbeam or Dragonfire will give it excellent coverage, but Dragonfire is particulairly nasty because Surf will eliminate Heatran...
you mean DragonFire. IMO this set would work but what's with hypnosis? You wouldn't want to be locked onto Hypnosis so I suggest you replace it Specs would also be a better option over scarf(although outrunning scarfedTran is nice but is not really needed)
Mhm, I've seen sleep powder on Roserades, so I thought it might work...Guess it's really up to personal decision...I thought maybe one might be able to catch a counter on a switch-in and swap Milo for an even stronger sweeper...
I dunno...Milotic really doesn't have enough in the way of offensive power to use a set like that, IMO. Though it's durability would allow it several chances to switch in.
Also, I wouldn't use Dragon Pulse. Ice Beam hits a lot more things SE, and with Milotic's mediocore sp atk, you're going to want to be hitting SE to deal as much damage as possible. As for HP...Meh. Electric is probably slightly better if you're using Ice Beam.
Hypnosis can work, but given that Blissey would be the most likely switch-in on this set, it probably wouldn't be as much use as it would on other Scarfers.
Oh well, I just liked the idea...
Granbull@Life Orb/Silk Scarf/Muscle Band
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 Attack/HP
1. Thunder Wave
2. Smelling Salt
3. Ice Punch
4. Thunder Punch
Thunder Wave up, and use Smelling Salt. Life Orb will eventually kill you, so Silk Scarf is good to boost the STABBED Smelling Salt, as well as Muscle Band.
Gyarados@Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
EV: 252 HP/Sp Attack
1. Surf
2. Ice Beam
3. Thunderbolt
4. HP Ground
Do it. Now
Gengar@Choice Band
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 Attack/Speed
1. Thunder Punch
2. Ice Punch
3. Shadow Claw
4. Brick Break
Lol wut BoltBeam and 344 Attack?
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 Attack/HP
1. Thunder Wave
2. Smelling Salt
3. Ice Punch
4. Thunder Punch
Thunder Wave up, and use Smelling Salt. Life Orb will eventually kill you, so Silk Scarf is good to boost the STABBED Smelling Salt, as well as Muscle Band.
Gyarados@Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
EV: 252 HP/Sp Attack
1. Surf
2. Ice Beam
3. Thunderbolt
4. HP Ground
Do it. Now
Gengar@Choice Band
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 Attack/Speed
1. Thunder Punch
2. Ice Punch
3. Shadow Claw
4. Brick Break
Lol wut BoltBeam and 344 Attack?
I know it isn't but Draco Meteor changes the entire thing mssively. Also, Thunderpunch over Firepuch since I've realised Fire Punch is only better for Bronzong.
Well, as a person who runs Togekiss, you want to run FF more usually, because it usually goes faster and hits you for 50-70% of your hp.
Just saying.
aahahahahaha I loved that
Pokemon: Skuntank
Name: Mixed "Sweeper?"
-Crunch
-Explosion
-Punishment
-Fire Blast / Hidden Power: Ice / Ground
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Aftermath
Nature: Naughty
EVs: 23 HP/252 Atk/232 Spd
Quite the contrary, Skuntank does have ONE thing over his cousin Drapion. Folks, may I introduce you, a "mixed" set. I don't know if this warrants overdramatic changes, but it's just to basically to use Punishment.
A quick review on Punishment. It starts with a Base Power of "1". Sounds stupid so far, right? Well, there's more. It's Base Power increases for each Stat boost from your opponnent (to make this sound simpler, 1 Stat boost = +20BP. Keep in mind that the "1" is not implemented after the stat boost). The Attack is capped at 200. However, this could pull an upper hand on CM Clefable, etc, in UU tier.
Now to get on with the moveset. Crunch is reliable STAB until you meet a person that uses stat boosting moves. After a while Punishment will become better in some situations, so this allows a switch-up. There's still Explosion, to keep an option if you are about to die. LO Explosion will hurt, no matter what basically (unless you're a Ghost, lawl). As far as a final move, it comes down to this. Fire Blast hits things like Bronzong and the like hard. HP Ice allows better coverage against Dragons in OU tier, but let's keep in mind that something like Altaria, Salamence, Garchomp, and Dragonite are faster and probably have a chance at using Dragon Dance / Swords Dance. HP Ground hits Aggron and Bastidon in the UU enviroment.
As far as HP Ground + Life Orb goes, it should KO Aggron. Bastidon is a tad bit questionable, but nevertheless possible.
I can't do calcs at the moment, but if I nab a chance at it later, I'll do it. Keep an eye I guess on this until then.
Name: Mixed "Sweeper?"
-Crunch
-Explosion
-Punishment
-Fire Blast / Hidden Power: Ice / Ground
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Aftermath
Nature: Naughty
EVs: 23 HP/252 Atk/232 Spd
Quite the contrary, Skuntank does have ONE thing over his cousin Drapion. Folks, may I introduce you, a "mixed" set. I don't know if this warrants overdramatic changes, but it's just to basically to use Punishment.
A quick review on Punishment. It starts with a Base Power of "1". Sounds stupid so far, right? Well, there's more. It's Base Power increases for each Stat boost from your opponnent (to make this sound simpler, 1 Stat boost = +20BP. Keep in mind that the "1" is not implemented after the stat boost). The Attack is capped at 200. However, this could pull an upper hand on CM Clefable, etc, in UU tier.
Now to get on with the moveset. Crunch is reliable STAB until you meet a person that uses stat boosting moves. After a while Punishment will become better in some situations, so this allows a switch-up. There's still Explosion, to keep an option if you are about to die. LO Explosion will hurt, no matter what basically (unless you're a Ghost, lawl). As far as a final move, it comes down to this. Fire Blast hits things like Bronzong and the like hard. HP Ice allows better coverage against Dragons in OU tier, but let's keep in mind that something like Altaria, Salamence, Garchomp, and Dragonite are faster and probably have a chance at using Dragon Dance / Swords Dance. HP Ground hits Aggron and Bastidon in the UU enviroment.
As far as HP Ground + Life Orb goes, it should KO Aggron. Bastidon is a tad bit questionable, but nevertheless possible.
I can't do calcs at the moment, but if I nab a chance at it later, I'll do it. Keep an eye I guess on this until then.
Err..."it" refers to Metagross, right? Metagross's max Adamant speed is 239 and the EV's I posted achieve 244 speed, so it won't outspeed you unless it's Jolly or Scarfed. CB Metagross would be a pretty significant threat, as MM does 81.92% - 96.61% to this Togekiss (probably enough to KO it considering LO recoil). Without a CB, though, it does 54.80% - 64.69%, so you can take one hit from it and 2HKO with Aura Sphere (and as I stated earlier, Flamethrower would really only be useful for Meta, Jirachi, and Bronzong. Zapdos will basically always outspeed you and can do a lot of damage with T-bolt, though it won't OHKO unless you've taken some previous damage. Nasty Plot'd Flamethrower won't even OHKO most of the time, so Zapdos is probably best avoided).
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