Just posting to say I won't be online for the next 24 hours because of some school stuff. Sorry all.
I think that it's entirely possible there's a village hooker, but it's almost certain that mafia has a hooker as well. Having both a village hooker and a mafia hooker seems like it would make some sense. Anyone with more NOC experience want to chip in on this?
Can you answer the questions directed at you, please?
I'm fairly certain that lynching someone that is active but refuses to cooperate is more beneficial to us then lynching someone who isn't active. This because if MB's mafia, we don't know how much he helps them, but it's probably more then what a user who doesn't even view the thread does.I'm conflicted between lynching Hydrattler or Metal Bagon. It makes sense that we'd want to send a message out to inactives that doing so is wrong, but also Metal Bagon has refused to respond to any of the things people have said about him (he edited his post after OD posted, which is AFTER I had pointed out that I was amazed he hasn't responded... and is currently not on the "active users viewing this thread"). Yes, people have other things to do, but if he can make a sheepish response to OD's frustration he could have answered even ONE of the questions posed to him.
Blah lynch target toss up. Either way, they both seem pretty scummy to me and the vig might want to take their names down for consideration.
EDIT: by "doing so is WRONG" i mean to say not benefiting town, not that it is a moral decision or anything
I believe that it could be a mistake to assume that our opponent is weak. Besides, question asker isn't that far-fetched.Engineer Pikachu said:I don't think that anybody would be clever enough to fakeclaim a role like that.
Engineer Pikachu said:I really don't think a role like the one MB claimed is faked easily
Empoof said:This is all assuming MB's claim is valid, of course. I just don't see the likelihood of this being a fake-claim I just don't see the likelihood of this being a fake-claim
pokemaniac 212 said:although his strange choice of claim if it is fake makes me slightly less suspicious.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems several people (Including myself) think Metal Bagon might be village, solely because of his strange claim. In that case, this PM I nearly forgot about might clear up some confusion.Flamestrike said:I doubt a mafia would claim a role that becomes a wolf, it's a pretty big risk, so I'm guessing Metal Bagon is "clean".
Allow me to introduce you to Metal Bagon's fake Role PM from PMD Mafia. Please note that it is absolutely ridiculous, with a win condition that encourages the game to be dominated by one faction. He also claims there is another neutral who ALSO has to let the game be dominated, even though I mentioned in both Mob and Brawl Mafia that I didn't like games dominated. Also, his powers don't match his win condition at all, and knowing the alliance of the other birds doesn't make sense (He was trying to clean his teammate, Zapdos).auramaster said:Dear Metal Bagon,
You are Moltres.
You are a grand fire bird with that ruled Mt.Blaze. Your fiery servants feared your presence until a certain team of heroes humiliated you. When you they met you again however, you joined their team. However, they have disappeared so you don't know which faction to support in this game.
Every night, you may PM shinyskarmory and auramaster with the title “NX- Using Fire Spin on <USER>”. You will surround <USER> with an intense fire tornado, and only determined killers will go through the flames to target <USER>.
Every night, you may PM shinyskarmory and auramaster with the title “NX- Impress <USER> with my majesty”. You will appear before <USER> and amaze them so much by your flames that they will do whatever you say in their posts (Such as post in all caps), which you must put in the body of the PM. You cannot make them say anything that will affect their lynch vote.
You are more calm and collective then the other legendary birds so you saw who they were allied with.
You also know that there is another neutral with a similar win condition to yours below in this game.
You are allied with yourself. You win if one faction wins with more then half of their members remaining.
#fluodome mafia would like a word with you. As would most OC games. (Though for the OC games, I admit the mafias also tend to have a roleblocker. It's just that the village have one more often.)
Just going to mention that for the ignoring questions, the only explanations I can think of are the near-impossible missed reading it and him not wanting to claim one hook flavor and finding out that my hook flavor is completely different. The second one = mafia, so the capability of faking strange roles thing = final nail in coffin IMO.In short, his claim is too ridiculous for anyone to fake. He faked it. Therefore I say we Lynch Metal Bagon for generally acting scummy all game, ignoring questions asked to him, and being capable of fake claiming even the strangest roles.
This makes enough sense to me. If I were to vote, I'd vote MB, but I'd like to make sure our conversations continue before jumping right to deadline.I'm fairly certain that lynching someone that is active but refuses to cooperate is more beneficial to us then lynching someone who isn't active.
Okay, let's see if I can be more active now that I have some free time. I'm really not sure about most people, though...
Paperblade - Generally helpful?
Mithril - Kind of confusing; I don't really know what to think of him. How is he confusing?
Ditto - Was extremely helpful in D1; hasn't been as helpful since, but is still present and a discussion sparker.
auramaster - Haven't really seen him post. So far every opinion here is what most people think, nothing original
Flamestrike - Posting more lately; seems to be being helpful.
empoof - Great posts.
Metal Bagon - Complex role that seems unlikely to be faked.
Orcinus Duo - Starting a bandwagon on mafia D1 would make it seem like he's not mafia.
nEsp - No clue. Still nothing original, also these comments are really short, none longer then a single sentence
khz - See above.
Hydrattler - Maxim didn't really post much, so I guess Hydrattler gets a clean slate. Interesting hypothesis, he clearly didn't care much about the game and didn't give much effort to his posts, although since they have the same role it's not really a clean slate
Aura Guardian - His posts are kind of confusing, but since he claimed and there's been no counterclaim so far, I guess he's village?
pokémaniac 212 - See nEsp.
New World Order - See AG. STILL nothing original
Gonna Unvote: lynch nEsp, then. I'll try to be more active.
EDIT: nEsp, I have one phrase to respond to your question: random.org
Anyways, onto the next one, which is vote khz Removed his bold from the post so it was clear I'm not voting for the same person
Comments in bold, overall during Day 3 he hasn't said anything but repeat what others have said, which IMO makes him very suspicious.Engineer Pikachu said:I think that it's entirely possible there's a village hooker, but it's almost certain that mafia has a hooker as well. Having both a village hooker and a mafia hooker seems like it would make some sense. Anyone with more NOC experience want to chip in on this? Trying to help but isn't experienced enough with NOC to make a helpful commentOrcinus Duo said:
Can you answer the questions directed at you, please? Encouraging discussionMetal Bagon said:Has Hydrattler even posted a post other then this usless one since subbing in? If he hasn't then seems strangely like Maxim's shifty behaviour so unless I am wrong a lot of signs point towards Hydrattler.
Anyway, I completely agree with Flamestrike in that either MB or AG is mafia. However, since I really don't think a role like the one MB claimed is faked easily (it's waaay too complicated); the only reference we have to it (I think) is Mafia Mafia 2, which was a game with outside contact. That, if anything, should tell you that the role he is claiming is either brilliantly faked or too complicated to be fake. I'm dubious that such a role exists in an NOC game, but I don't think that anybody would be clever enough to fakeclaim a role like that. I showed earlier how that's wrong, he's far from the only one to think so For this reason, I actually think that AG might be mafia; I'm not going to pursue this, but I'd just like the throw it out there. MB, if you could answer the questions (hook flavor, etc.) it'd be a huge help. This whole paragraph is mostly the same as Flamestrike's earlier post, put into EP's own words.
EDIT: What I meant here was the whole "doctor is treating me" thing.
Mithril is also kind of suspicious right now. I know he's been posting a lot more than I have, but it seems that he doesn't really post unless provoked. Flamestrike interestingly also mentioned this in his previous post
Day 4 ends in 72 hours. Results going out, don't talk yet.Yelling Boy said:Looks like we have a surefire mafia target in Metal Bagon...Let's kill him.