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Rhydon with Eviolite
- Thread starter VictiniforVictory
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Whirlwind and Roar are rather ok on Skarmory. True, there's Mr.Mime, but the reason why ADV Skarms ran Roar was because it was difficult to get Whirlwind onto Skarmory.
You choose a Pokemon's ability based on what will help you most (not what helps your opponent least in some bizarre edge case) and in the case of special attacking Rhydon (the only one on which Lightning Rod was being discussed) Lightning Rod > Rock Head.
By your logic, all Hitmontops should run Technician so that Gardevoir can't Intimidate them.
...ok. seriously.
Shut up on the issue of Rhydon's ability. Really. In the end, there is absolutely NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE over what Rhydon runs. Rock Head is pointless without D-Edge, Lightningrod is pointless without ring target. So just shut it, because eventually its all situational. Instead, we should discuss on sets viability and stuff like that. >.>
Shut up on the issue of Rhydon's ability. Really. In the end, there is absolutely NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE over what Rhydon runs. Rock Head is pointless without D-Edge, Lightningrod is pointless without ring target. So just shut it, because eventually its all situational. Instead, we should discuss on sets viability and stuff like that. >.>
I second the fact that the ability decision is moot.
Rhydon functions amazingly under sandstorm because of the boost to his sp def, while still taking hits from the psychical side due to the 1.5x boost from Eviolite and that really nice defense, ResTalk is my personal set of choice, he functions amazingly in this meta despite pokes like Roserade, Shaymin and Kingdra just running rampant.
252hp/252 spdef is probably his best spread because the boost from eviolite is most often times enough.
Rhydon functions amazingly under sandstorm because of the boost to his sp def, while still taking hits from the psychical side due to the 1.5x boost from Eviolite and that really nice defense, ResTalk is my personal set of choice, he functions amazingly in this meta despite pokes like Roserade, Shaymin and Kingdra just running rampant.
252hp/252 spdef is probably his best spread because the boost from eviolite is most often times enough.
I found the ability discussion quite interesting actually. I had not considered Gardevoir tracing lightning rod. Its similar to how Shedninja use to have a higher defense just to screw with adaptability pokemon. Just because you don't appreciate a discussion, does not mean others do. Just let a discussion take its natural course dude, I see no harm done.
I really hate to continue this dumb argument but you are completely wrong
Special attacking rhydon can't even use lightningrod if he wanted to because ground's electric immunity prevents lightningrod from ever activating
And the hitmontop thing doesn't apply at all because intimidate has a purpose that top regularly utilizes. If rhydon isn't using double-edge (which it probably isn't) then rock head serves no purpose just like lightningrod, but unlike lightningrod it can't screw you over in some freak situation.
Also to the guy that said that raikou would be running shadow ball with aura sphere: go check out the analysis page. Not one set has both aura sphere and shadow ball run at the same time
I understand the point, but honestly, its only relevant as to what Rhydon runs if the combined usage of Porygon+Gardevoir is significant enough(higher than say, Mamoswine). And truth be told, the only electric attack Rhydon learns is Thunder Punch, so it doesn't even matter mostly.
@steviestar: Ring Target, problem solved.
And... Ring Target would replace Eviolite, which would render this entire thread useless XD
I wouldn't say that exactly. The difference between chansey and blissey is that chansey can take a lot of physical attacks, while blissey has a *barely* useable sp.atk stat and the ability to not get wrecked by weather, which is the only reason I think blissey is higher then chansey in OU (well, that and the fact that most of the good fighting pokes such as conkle, infernape, and machamp are all OU.)
Rhydon with evolite always seems inferior, since the point of evolite is to make a bulkier pokemon, but without solid rock, the only attacks rhydon takes better are neutral hits. That and rhyperior's attack is better.
Some percentages:
With a 252-252-4-0-0-0 spread:
Rhydon takes 8% more damage from SE special attacks.
Rhyperior takes 25% more damage from other special attacks.
Rhydon takes 1% more damage from SE physical attacks.
Rhyperior takes 35% more damage from other physical attacks.
With a 252-4-252-0-0-0 spread:
Rhyperior takes 0.5% more damage from SE physical attacks.
Rhyperior takes 35% more damage from other physical attacks.
With a 252-4-0-0-252-0 spread:
Rhydon takes 5% more damage from SE special attacks.
Rhyperior takes 25% more damage from other special attacks.
Rhyperior does 5.6% more damage than Rhydon with 252 attack EVs and 6.8% more damage with 0 attack EVs. Rhyperior can also hold an item.
With a 252-252-4-0-0-0 spread:
Rhydon takes 8% more damage from SE special attacks.
Rhyperior takes 25% more damage from other special attacks.
Rhydon takes 1% more damage from SE physical attacks.
Rhyperior takes 35% more damage from other physical attacks.
With a 252-4-252-0-0-0 spread:
Rhyperior takes 0.5% more damage from SE physical attacks.
Rhyperior takes 35% more damage from other physical attacks.
With a 252-4-0-0-252-0 spread:
Rhydon takes 5% more damage from SE special attacks.
Rhyperior takes 25% more damage from other special attacks.
Rhyperior does 5.6% more damage than Rhydon with 252 attack EVs and 6.8% more damage with 0 attack EVs. Rhyperior can also hold an item.
even though rhydon has better overall defenses than rhyperior, i would personally always use rhyperior simply because it has the ability to hold an item. its only slightly less bulky than rhydon, but due to its ability to run an item, you can slap something like a choice band on it and have it hit like a fucking truck. and besides, even with eviolite, rhydon is still completely wrecked by any water- or grass-type attack around (and both attacking types are fairly common in uu from my experience). in fact, i would avoid using both rhydon and rhyperior due to the dominance that water- and grass-type pokemon have in uu, but if i had to use one, i would go with rhyperior due to its power.
I don't wanna dick, but what about in a double battle? Wouldn't Lightning Rod be useful then? And if someone takes on Ring Target combo, Lightning Rod's still good w/ Single Battle, right?
double battle = Surf/EQ/Blizz spam. why would you use rhydon + lightningrod.
I really don't want to revive this lame discussion anymore, seeing as it does absolutely nothing for the thread. The only point is that Rhydon's abilities are useless and I'd only run Lightningrod simply because its the default ability and I'm too lazy to change it.
here is my take, rhyperior probably does it better but noe i think perior is UU and rhydon is lower which gives him a chance
Rhydon@eviolite
jolly nature 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 HP or you cou;ld runspomething bulky
-rock polish
-swords dance
-earthquake
-rock slide/stone edge/rock blast
this set is designed to boost yourself agsainst something you can destroy. after a rock polish rhydon reaches 392 speed, the equivalent of base 129, outspeeding all but ninjask, electrode, and accelgor. none of which are a good switch in to rhydon because of STAbB super effective moves. accelgor can do a lolsy giga drain and fire off a hidden power ice or ggrass. but most accelgors are spiking if you see them and electrde is never seen. ninjask can do a hilarious fail amount of nothing. after a SD you have 718 attack... kind of scary. HP ice from a timid electrode does not kill, and he has a cance even if its specs. accelgor does rape but prediction is easy enough. earthquake is the super power STAB and rock mov eis the other one
Rhydon@eviolite
jolly nature 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 HP or you cou;ld runspomething bulky
-rock polish
-swords dance
-earthquake
-rock slide/stone edge/rock blast
this set is designed to boost yourself agsainst something you can destroy. after a rock polish rhydon reaches 392 speed, the equivalent of base 129, outspeeding all but ninjask, electrode, and accelgor. none of which are a good switch in to rhydon because of STAbB super effective moves. accelgor can do a lolsy giga drain and fire off a hidden power ice or ggrass. but most accelgors are spiking if you see them and electrde is never seen. ninjask can do a hilarious fail amount of nothing. after a SD you have 718 attack... kind of scary. HP ice from a timid electrode does not kill, and he has a cance even if its specs. accelgor does rape but prediction is easy enough. earthquake is the super power STAB and rock mov eis the other one