Metagame Scalemons

Some cool things:

Mega-Kangaskhan - 105/152/122/71/122/135
Of all the mons that needed a buff, this isn't one of them. This just isn't okay.

Azurill - 50/78/157/78/157/78
Base 78 pure power might not feel that intimidating with Mega-Mawile running around, but that's toxapex defenses on a normal-fairy that can carry AV or a Band, with STAB Return.

Meditite - 30/91/125/91/125/136
While we're on the topic of oddly bulky pure power attackers, why not give them a speed tier?
Medicham's also sitting pretty at 60/94/117/94/117/125
Edit: Oh god, Mega-Medicham is 60/134/127/114/127/145, plz ban.

Alola-Persian - 65/85/85/107/92/164
The ultimate stallbreaker. Enough defense to function as a physical wall thanks to Fur Coat, access to Taunt, Switcheroo, Parting Shot, Foul Play, etc. Give him a scarf and watch people cry.

Mega-Swampert - 100/166/123/107/123/78
Because who doesn't want significant extra bulk on their rain sweeper in a format where drizzlers might be good.

Munchlax - 135/155/72/72/155/9
Special Tank McGee. Curse sets, AV or Band, just ugh.
Honestly, Snorlax is pretty great at 160/127/75/75/127/34

Igglybuff - 90/127/63/170/85/63
Jigglypuff - 115/140/62/140/78/62
Because no-one expects evil puffballs of death. Competitive AV/Specs as a defog punisher feels good.
 
Chansey - 250/8/8/61/183/88
Blissey - 255/11/11/90/162/66

Chansey's blobbiness seems to go up enough to still hold off special attacks. Blissey has enough Special Attack to deal with the special attackers, which seem to be much on the frail side. Chansey is better as a pure wall due to higher speed and special bulk.

Onix - 35/72/255/56/72/113
Steelix - 75/102/241/66/78/36

Onix is also blocked by the cap, with Steelix having a bit attack to work with.
 
Blissey has enough Special Attack to deal with the special attackers, which seem to be much on the frail side. Chansey is better as a pure wall due to higher speed and special bulk.
I don't think you should ever run special attacks on Blissey - it functions much better as a tank/cleric.
 
I've been working on figuring out the stats of a lot of pokemon and figured speed tiers would be a good place to start. This isn't accounting for different nature's/scarves/viability etc, just a simple list of some of the tiers fastest pokemon for new players to go off of. Currently focusing on finding anything faster than Bunnelby but will include anything I find that hits +130

210+:
Magikarp: 20/32/177/48/64/255(+Swift Swim)
Feebas: 20/48/64/32/177/255 (+Swift Swim)
Wimpod: 25/98/112/56/84/224

Diglett: 10/127/58/81/104/220
Ninjask: 61/123/61/68/68/218
Smeargle: 55/56/98/56/126/210

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200+:Diglett (Alola): 10/127/69/81/104/208
Taillow: 40/134/73/73/73/207
Wingull: 40/73/73/134/73/207
Meowth (Alola): 40/78/78/112/90/202
Meowth: 40/101/78/90/90/202

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190+:
Poliwag: 40/108/86/86/86/194 (+Swift Swim)
Voltorb: 40/58/97/106/106/193

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180+:
Luvdisc: 43/58/107/78/126/188 (+Swift Swim)
Pichu: 20/125/47/110/110/188
Electrode: 60/63/88/100/100/188
Combee: 30/80/112/80/112/186
Ratatta: 30/143/89/64/89/184
Abra: 25/40/30/212/111/182
Accelgor: 80/88/50/125/75/182
Beedrill (Mega): 65/187/50/19/100/180

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170+:

Cutiefly: 40/95/85/117/85/178
Spearow: 40/151/76/78/78/177
Dugtrio: 35/145/72/72/101/174
Swellow: 60/116/82/103/68/171
Swoobat: 67/85/82/115/82/170

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160+:

Blitzle: 45/133/71/111/71/169
Buizel: 55/129/69/119/59/168 (+Swift Swim)
Sneasel: 55/138/80/51/109/167
Elekid: 45/111/65/115/97/167
Zigzagoon: 38/83/114/83/114/167
Ribombee: 60/74/80/127/94/166
Starly: 40/150/82/82/82/164
Gastly: 30/71/61/204/71/163
Bunnelby: 38/102/107/90/102/161

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150+:
Surskit: 40/73/78/122/127/159 (+Swift Swim)
Helioptile: 44/86/75/138/98/159
Yanma: 65/107/74/123/74/156
Staryu: 30/82/101/129/101/156
Salandit: 48/89/81/144/81/156
Doduo: 35/175/92/72/72/154
Cottonee: 40/63/140/86/117/154
Frogadier: 54/98/81/129/87/151
Zubat: 40/123/96/82/109/150
Noibat: 40/82/96/123/109/150

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140+:
Froakie: 41/115/82/127/90/145
Zygarde 10%: 54/126/90/77/107/145
Murkrow: 60/133/66/133/66/142

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130+:
Remoraid: 35/138/76/138/76/138
Anorith: 45/170/90/72/90/134 (+Swift Swim)


And here's all the ol' ubers other than those unaffected (600 BST). Most are fairly underwhelming in this meta but there are a few that are buffed by scaling.

Aegislash: 60/59/176/59/176/70
Arceus: 120/96/96/96/96/96
Blaziken: 80/139/81/127/81/92
Blaziken (Mega): 80/151/76/123/76/95
Dialga: 100/103/103/129/86/78
Giratina: 150/85/102/85/102/76
Giratina (Origin): 150/102/85/102/85/76
Groudon: 100/132/123/88/79/79
Groudon (Primal): 100/134/119/112/67/67
Ho-oh: 106/112/77/95/133/77
Kangaskhan (Mega): 105/128/102/61/102/102
Kyogre: 100/88/79/132/123/79
Kyogre (Primal): 100/112/67/134/119/67
Kyurem-W: 125/99/74/140/83/78
Lucario (Mega): 70/138/84/134/67/107
Lugia: 106/77/112/77/133/95
Lunala: 137/96/76/117/91/83
Metagross (Mega): 80/122/126/88/92/92
Mewtwo: 106/95/77/133/77/112
Mewtwo-X: 106/139/73/113/73/95
Mewtwo-Y: 106/110/51/142/88/103
Palkia: 90/104/86/130/104/86
Pheromosa: 71/145/39/145/39/160
Rayquaza: 105/129/77/129/77/82
Rayquaza (Mega): 105/132/73/132/73/84
Reshiram: 100/103/86/129/103/78
Salamence (Mega): 95/121/109/100/75/100
Solgaleo: 137/117/91/96/76/83
Xerneas: 126/112/81/112/84/85
Yveltal: 126/112/81/112/84/85
Zekrom: 100/129/103/103/86/76
Zygarde-Complete: 216/78/94/71/74/66


As far as defensive pokemon go, Shiinotic is really cool on paper with 60/70/125/141/157/47 and access to some of the best moves in the game. Unfortunately struggles with other bulky grass types due to it's limited offensive movepool, but still worth a look. Defensive pokemon don't seem to have it great in this meta but I've had decent success with Shelmet who sits at 50/86/183/86/140/53 and has access to some of the games better utility moves like Recover, Spikes, Encore and Infestation.

And then on the offensive spectrum there's Cranidos who, with a stat spread of 67/235/75/57/57/109, is only outclassed by Huge Power users in terms of sheer attack power. Haven't tried it out but seems promising.

Taillow is also really good, though it only hits 403 SpAtk even with Choice Specs and a +SpAtk nature, it's still able to outrun and OHKO things like Buizel, Gastly and Abra with 0 prior damage.
 
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I think that HP should be scaled with other stats, and the reason is because of this monster.


New stats: 48/188/80/80/80/121
Adaptability and Strong Jaw are pretty good abilities, but it's Stakeout that really shines, doubling attack power when the opponent switches. It would run something like this:

Yungoos @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf / Life Orb
Ability: Stakeout
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Frustration
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- U-turn / Pursuit

Sure, it has barely any movepool, but that's all it needs to dominate any defensive pokemon on the switch.

252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex (50/187): 430-508 (141.4 - 167.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega (50/159): 245-289 (80.8 - 95.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rhydon (105/156): 498-586 (120.2 - 141.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Doublade (58/208): 396-468 (122.9 - 145.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowpoke (95/147): 416-490 (108.3 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dwebble (50/170): 232-274 (76.3 - 90.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sandygast (55/164): 384-452 (122.2 - 143.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangela (65/166): 363-427 (108.6 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wobbuffet (190/110): 512-604 (87.6 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro-Mega (95/183): 350-414 (88.8 - 105%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Exeggcute (60/163): 676-796 (208.6 - 245.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-Wash (50/125): 499-588 (164.6 - 194%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus (58/184): 350-414 (109.3 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lileep (66/142): 266-314 (79.1 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Solid Rock Carracosta (78/166 + Solid Rock): 355-418 (100.8 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Scrafty (65/145 + Intimidate): 268-316 (80.2 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gligar (65/153): 385-454 (115.2 - 135.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cloyster (50/208): 304-358 (100 - 117.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Bronzor (57/192 + Levitate): 340-400 (106.9 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Filter Aggron-Mega (70/217 + Filter): 288-339 (83.7 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shuckle (20/255): 168-198 (68.8 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skorupi (40/173): 351-414 (123.5 - 145.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku (55/199): 313-370 (99.6 - 117.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Against Ubers (not scaled)
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 482-568 (95.6 - 112.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Lugia: 228-269 (54.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Fairy: 460-543 (103.6 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Deoxys-Defense: 390-460 (128.2 - 151.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Frustration vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 457-538 (71.8 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (assuming it got full health)
252+ Atk Choice Band Yungoos Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Groudon-Primal: 486-574 (120.5 - 142.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO


The only ways you can beat it are to predict well, use immunities, or outspeed it. But if the opponent with Yungoos has enough skill, it's very hard to eliminate it. Fortunately, Yungoos has a relatively average Speed stat of 121, so there are many viable mons who outspeed it, such as Abra, Gastly, Diglett and Dugtrio, Gengar-Mega, and Bunnelby.

tl;dr don't switch on yungoos, also ban yungoos pls
 
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What about items like lucky punch and stick, should those be banned?
Aka not mentioned in the OP
 
What about items like lucky punch and stick, should those be banned?
Aka not mentioned in the OP
Obviously Lucky Punch should not be banned - at best, it's a bad meme, and crits don't matter so much if you're not doing much damage in the first place. (also why are you running an offensive chansey, and why are you running chansey in the first place)

Stick isn't that good either. Farfetch'd, with 52/151/92/97/104/101 stats, is basically outclassed by Rufflet, Starly, and Bunnelby for Normal-type physical attackers. The only niche Farfetch'd has is Defiant, where Pawniard probably shines more in punishing Defog.
 
This metagame will be where pre-evos shine way better due to better stat spreads.

Huge Power users, in particular, seem scary.
 
This metagame will be where pre-evos shine way better due to better stat spreads.

Huge Power users, in particular, seem scary.
Most huge power users aren't all that threatening as their attack usually doesn't get buffed that much. The most threatening ones are Bunnelby, Medicham-mega and Mawile-mega but there are obvious drawbacks to using them. Bunnelby is fast (Base 160) but not too fast in this meta, with a base attack of 105. It can kill things pretty easily, but it's movepool is horribly shallow and leaves it hard walled by levitating ghosts and steel/flying types. Medicham-mega sits at 120 attack and speed, which is relatively slow for this meta, while it can circumvent that with priority, anything faster than it that it fails to OHKO is gonna have a pretty easy time taking it down. Mawile has a terrifying 134 attack and incredible typing, but it's still terrible speed tier means that it relies on non-STAB suckerpunch to be able to kill, as nearly anything in this meta will end up outrunning it.
 
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I just tried this:

Stats: 60/175/108/81/81/94

Even though 175 isn't the best attack stat in this meta, Breloom still have access to a STABed Mach Punch with Technician. I don't have calcs or whatever, but he is definitively strong.
 

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Here is your updated banlist:


Mawilite and Medichamite
I decided to ban these items instead of just Huge Power and Pure Power in general because the other Pokemon with these abilities still aren't even top-notch Pokemon after the boosts. Mega Mawile had a base 134 Attack stat and amazing bulk, and Mega Medicham had a base 120 Attack stat with equal Speed and slightly increased bulk to make it harder to KO as well. On top of that, they both have strong priority moves that, while not boosted by STAB, provided very nice coverage in addition to their other moves for difficult revenge killing.


Shedinja
Having base 229 Attack with an incredible ability in Wonder Guard that prevents Shedinja from being touched by a majority of moves in Scalemons is wholly broken. On top of its amazing Attack, Shedinja has Swords Dance and Shadow Sneak to quickly KO almost anything that gets in its path. Shedinja also has an okay base Speed stat of 101 to further expedite its sweeping capabilities.


Arena Trap and Shadow Tag
With Diglett being an offensive Speed demon with base 219 Speed and an alright attacker with base 127 Attack, as well as Trapinch being a bulky tank with base 226 Attack and 45 / 101 / 101 bulk, they were already pretty good. However, being able to trap a majority of the metagame on top of being decently strong, and in Diglett's case, fast, they were nigh unbeatable and were almost always guaranteed to KO at least Pokemon on the opposing team. With Mega Gengar and Gothitelle matching the traits that Diglett and Trapinch have with the former being faster and decently strong and the latter being a bulky tank and an even better ability in Shadow Tag that allowed them to trap even non-grounded Pokemon, they made trapping as a whole even more uncompetitive than it already was.

More bans coming soon. Tagging urkerab to update ROM.​
 
Mega Alakazam: Same as normal
Bisharp: 65/127/102/61/71/71
Blacephalon: 53/134/56/160/83/113
Celesteela: 97/107/109/114/107/65
Chansey: 250/8/8/61/183/87
Mega Charizard X: 78/122/104/12279/93
Mega Charizard Y: 78/97/73/149/107/93
Clefable: 95/91/95/123/127/78
Mega Diancie: 50/135/93/135/93/93
Dragonite: Same as normal
Excadrill: 110/166/73/61/80/108
Ferrothorn: 74/119/166/68/147/25
Garchomp: Same as normal
Gengar: 60/79/73/159/92/135
Greninja: 72/109/77/118/81/140
Ash Greninja: 72/134/62/142/66/122
Mega Gyarados: 95/143/101/64/120/75
Hawlucha: 78/113/92/91/77/145
Heatran: Same as normal
Kartana: 59/191/138/62/32/115
Keldeo: 91/73/93/134/93/112
Keldeo Resolute: See above.
Kingdra: 75/107/107/107/107/95
Black Kyurem: 125/140/82/99/74/78
Therian Landorus: Same as normal
Latios: Same as normal

I've been typing and calculating for somewhere around 3 hours. I'll finish this up later.
 

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Mega Alakazam: Same as normal
Bisharp: 65/127/102/61/71/71
Blacephalon: 53/134/56/160/83/113
Celesteela: 97/107/109/114/107/65
Chansey: 250/8/8/61/183/87
Mega Charizard X: 78/122/104/12279/93
Mega Charizard Y: 78/97/73/149/107/93
Clefable: 95/91/95/123/127/78
Mega Diancie: 50/135/93/135/93/93
Dragonite: Same as normal
Excadrill: 110/166/73/61/80/108
Ferrothorn: 74/119/166/68/147/25
Garchomp: Same as normal
Gengar: 60/79/73/159/92/135
Greninja: 72/109/77/118/81/140
Ash Greninja: 72/134/62/142/66/122
Mega Gyarados: 95/143/101/64/120/75
Hawlucha: 78/113/92/91/77/145
Heatran: Same as normal
Kartana: 59/191/138/62/32/115
Keldeo: 91/73/93/134/93/112
Keldeo Resolute: See above.
Kingdra: 75/107/107/107/107/95
Black Kyurem: 125/140/82/99/74/78
Therian Landorus: Same as normal
Latios: Same as normal

I've been typing and calculating for somewhere around 3 hours. I'll finish this up later.
There's a link to all the stats in the OP. Also most OU mons aren't particularly relevant with things like Abra and Gastly completely outstripping their OU counterparts.
 

Kris

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Here is your updated banlist:


Mawilite and Medichamite
I decided to ban these items instead of just Huge Power and Pure Power in general because the other Pokemon with these abilities still aren't even top-notch Pokemon after the boosts. Mega Mawile had a base 134 Attack stat and amazing bulk, and Mega Medicham had a base 120 Attack stat with equal Speed and slightly increased bulk to make it harder to KO as well. On top of that, they both have strong priority moves that, while not boosted by STAB, provided very nice coverage in addition to their other moves for difficult revenge killing.


Shedinja
Having base 229 Attack with an incredible ability in Wonder Guard that prevents Shedinja from being touched by a majority of moves in Scalemons is wholly broken. On top of its amazing Attack, Shedinja has Swords Dance and Shadow Sneak to quickly KO almost anything that gets in its path. Shedinja also has an okay base Speed stat of 101 to further expedite its sweeping capabilities.


Arena Trap and Shadow Tag
With Diglett being an offensive Speed demon with base 219 Speed and an alright attacker with base 127 Attack, as well as Trapinch being a bulky tank with base 226 Attack and 45 / 101 / 101 bulk, they were already pretty good. However, being able to trap a majority of the metagame on top of being decently strong, and in Diglett's case, fast, they were nigh unbeatable and were almost always guaranteed to KO at least Pokemon on the opposing team. With Mega Gengar and Gothitelle matching the traits that Diglett and Trapinch have with the former being faster and decently strong and the latter being a bulky tank and an even better ability in Shadow Tag that allowed them to trap even non-grounded Pokemon, they made trapping as a whole even more uncompetitive than it already was.

More bans coming soon. Tagging urkerab to update ROM.​
urkerab ROM still isn't updated with these bans
 
Mega Alakazam: Same as normal
Bisharp: 65/127/102/61/71/71
Blacephalon: 53/134/56/160/83/113
Celesteela: 97/107/109/114/107/65
Chansey: 250/8/8/61/183/87
Mega Charizard X: 78/122/104/12279/93
Mega Charizard Y: 78/97/73/149/107/93
Clefable: 95/91/95/123/127/78
Mega Diancie: 50/135/93/135/93/93
Dragonite: Same as normal
Excadrill: 110/166/73/61/80/108
Ferrothorn: 74/119/166/68/147/25
Garchomp: Same as normal
Gengar: 60/79/73/159/92/135
Greninja: 72/109/77/118/81/140
Ash Greninja: 72/134/62/142/66/122
Mega Gyarados: 95/143/101/64/120/75
Hawlucha: 78/113/92/91/77/145
Heatran: Same as normal
Kartana: 59/191/138/62/32/115
Keldeo: 91/73/93/134/93/112
Keldeo Resolute: See above.
Kingdra: 75/107/107/107/107/95
Black Kyurem: 125/140/82/99/74/78
Therian Landorus: Same as normal
Latios: Same as normal

I've been typing and calculating for somewhere around 3 hours. I'll finish this up later.
This just reminded me of Excarill's meaty HP stat
 
So chancey would be 250/9/9/63/179/89

But one of the most promissing is farfetch'd with defiant and 100% crit chance with bst of 52/119/100/106/112/110
 

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