Yeah, and since Hisuian Qwillfish is here, so will Overqwill probably (god i love the name Overqwill)
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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To be fair, the type of bell Bronzong based on(Dōtaku) is not made for making noise, it's mostly ceremonial and/or decorative in nature(Which is also why Bronzong has never been able to learn Heal Bell even in the games where Heal Bell is a tutor move).
Regardless, the leak is obviously fake.
I must have missed something — where did we learn that?
I believe from the early gameplay footage posted by Serebii and several Pokétubers. There was a Hisuian Qwilfish shown in one of them
I just rewatched Serebii's footage (which is mostly the same as other poketubers) and I didn't see a Qwilfish at all unless it was really tucked away in the background.
It actually originally came from this card. And they might not actually be the same, we don't know Hard Press's Japanese name since it and Supercharged Cell were revealed via the Serebii preview which was only in English.
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That is also a possibility, probably in the Savanna or Dry Grassland or whatever it was called, someone tell me please
I do think that the fake leak is similar to what it’ll be like, maybe a +1 increase to Atk, SpA, and Spe, having to charge while in base battlefield, but having no charge turn required on Electric Terrain. That is all speculation of course.
If there's Hisuian Qwilfish, why would Kleavor be part of the dex while Overqwil isn't (according to Matt's Twitter post)
Idr right now where I saw its the Hisuian form, but this isn't unprecedented as Kitakami dex has Basculin and Basculegion but Stantler without Wyrdeer
On a somewhat similar note, the Kitakami dex doesn't seem to have the Applin family, so what are they doing with Dipplin evo?? Are they just gonna have that in the dex bu none of the other apples? Its either that or not being in the Blueberry dex at all (which would also mean it gets no dex entry at all in SV)
I assume the former, just like how Bloodmoon Ursaluna is in the Kitakami Dex without Teddiursa or Ursaring. I think Applin3 is almost certainly going to be framed as a similarly “special” Pokémon.
Going off of the theory that the Dipplin evo is Kieran’s ace, and Kieran is the de facto “Champion” of the Blueberry League, I think the logic would be “Applin3 was first seen and encountered in the Blueberry League, but the Applin family isn’t one of the species housed in the Terarium.”
Maybe they’ll even tie it into the lore somewhat. “Dipplin wasn’t thought to be able to evolve, but the artificial conditions in the Terarium somehow made it possible. So Applin3 is a Pokémon ‘native’ to this environment, but is only made possible by the introduction of a species that wasn’t already living here.”
It really feels like if there's a lore reason its probably going to be vageuly tied to the peach's influence on Kieran.
Though it wouldn't surprise me if the only reason its in the dex is because we see it in DLC 2, regardless of if Orochilin has Lore behind it
see also: I strongly suspect Dokutaro is going to be encountered properly back in Kitakami and most of the 6 new paradoxes in Area Zero, but they're still going to be in the "Blueberry" pokedex.
I agree with the point generally that if you’re gonna give a Pokémon 8 heads it should probably use them in its moveset, but the Dipplin evo, at least according to Khu’s hints, is explicitly not a hydra. It is Yamato No Orochi. Certainly a similar concept but that’s a different mythology.
I think the issue with Dipplin Evo being like Bloodmoon Ursaluna is that Bloodmoon is just a different form of Ursaluna while the apple is a brand new mon entirely - so it ocupies its own slot in the national Pokédex (as opposed to Ursaluna where getting the normal one is enough) and also causes Dipplin to be eviolite compatible. It'd be pretty awkward for future games if Dipplin kept eviolite but couldn't be able to evolve because the evolution is "special" in the story.
I think its also unlikely that this evolution will only happen to Kieran's Dipplin - Bloodmoon Ursaluna is one specific individual (thus why you can't evolve ursaring into it). If we are to assume it's the same case for Dipplin Evo, but also assume Kieran's Dipplin evolves, the way it'd go down is that Kieran's Dipplin is the only one that evolves into this new mon and for you to obtain it at all, Kieran trades his ace to you (Which I can't really see happening and would kind f be a poor ending for the character)
I just generally kind of doubt that this evolution will be something specific to this story or related to the peach mon at all since that prevents any future game from letting Dipplin evolve again
This is probably what makes most sense though. Walking Wake is leaked to be in the Blueberry Dex but it sure as hell isn't gonna be found in the school lol. I'm just kinda confused on the choice to not include Applin at all in the dex
I think its also unlikely that this evolution will only happen to Kieran's Dipplin - Bloodmoon Ursaluna is one specific individual (thus why you can't evolve ursaring into it). If we are to assume it's the same case for Dipplin Evo, but also assume Kieran's Dipplin evolves, the way it'd go down is that Kieran's Dipplin is the only one that evolves into this new mon and for you to obtain it at all, Kieran trades his ace to you (Which I can't really see happening and would kind f be a poor ending for the character)
I just generally kind of doubt that this evolution will be something specific to this story or related to the peach mon at all since that prevents any future game from letting Dipplin evolve again
This is probably what makes most sense though. Walking Wake is leaked to be in the Blueberry Dex but it sure as hell isn't gonna be found in the school lol. I'm just kinda confused on the choice to not include Applin at all in the dex
Well it could be thematically related instead, but even if its literally the work of dokutaro it'd just be easy to add a "poisoned apple" item to make it evolve
Like they're the ones making the games they can handwave any excuse to have something evolve.
Or maybe it just never gets to evolve unless you send it back.
What if Kieran's Dipplin evo is actually a special boss Pokémon like the Starmobile that you can't obtain, so he can have an Apple Orochi that's different and stronger from the one you can obtain?It’s comparable in that both cases are something they’ve never done before. Prior to The Teal Mask, they had never had a regional Dex that included only the final form of an evolutionary line (be it a gimmicky new form or otherwise). Applin3 having a lone slot in the Blueberry Dex without Applin and its evolutions before it would be equally unprecedented.
Applin3 having its own National Dex number is irrelevant, because regional Dexes are specific to the context of that region — especially as of Scarlet & Violet which, in contrast to the way the Galar Dex handled things, require you to have a specific form of a Pokémon in order to unlock its entry (owning a Johtonian Wooper doesn’t register Wooper in the Paldea Dex, owning Red or Blue Basculin doesn’t register Basculin in the Kitakami Dex), and exclude evolutionary adjuncts that stem from forms that aren’t found in Paldea, like Quagsire and Perrserker.
(Plus, Gen 9 has already run roughshod on the National Dex in its own way — Dipplin is going to be at least six spaces removed from its own evolution despite them both being added in the same generation, while Walking Wake and Iron Leaves will be even more spaced out from the rest of their respective trio mates.)
I’m sure* it will be able to evolve in future games. I think whatever special status it might have will just be specific to this story. Sort of like how Sun & Moon explicitly stated that only three models of Type: Null had been created, but then Sword & Shield turned right around and said, “Oh look, some industrial espionage happened and now there’s more Type: Null.”
Personally, all I’m really thinking is that Kieran will be the first to have discovered this evolutionary possibility for Dipplin. Whether it’s dependent on Dokutaro or the Terarium or something else, I don’t know — I just think him being the first to discover it and him being battled at Blueberry Academy will be enough in-story justification for it having a slot in the Dex independent of the rest of its family. It’s the player’s Pokédex, after all.
* Well, assuming they don’t treat it like the new Hisuian evolutions. After all, Stantler and Ursaring can benefit from Eviolite in SV, despite not being able to evolve.
I maintain that I still think that you taking Kieran's Dipplin2 is still a strong possibility:
SV's storyline has essentially deported a student, and the Indigo Disk promotional material has already indicated that Drayton is being held back from graduating because he has failed to attend some of his classes - I wouldn't be surprised if Blueberry Academy decides to be strict and brutal and take away and redistribute Kieran's Dipplin2.
My theory for Dipplin evo in narrative is that it'll tie into if they explain the Paradoxes somehow: 3pplin is coded as a Dipplin evolution but storywise it's a species that occurs from Terastal energy or something making a Paradox Dipplin essentially. Kieran raising a stronger version of his Ace Pokemon driven wild as a Paradox fits where his character sits going into the new DLC, but also isn't such a drastic change that it's too unethical to come back from if they want to redeem Kieran. Since we can similarly catch and raise Paradoxes and there is evidence they can co-exist with regulars like the Earth Titan, especially in an already controlled environment like the Terrarium, this could explain it only appearing in Blueberry Dex where it can be monitored and studied in-universe.
Then for future appearances they can either port up something like a Tera Crystal item (handwave no Terastalization as not having an Orb) to serve functions like "Level up Dipplin holding the Crystal with a Poison Type in party" or maybe make it an item to enable Terapagos's specific gimmick (since that's a lot harder to divorce from it and has some comparison in Ogerpon's Masks).
Of course this is all assuming the Dipplin Evo is even supposed to explicitly be connected to the Dokutaro stuff and isn't just a "regular" Pokemon that thematically shows Kieran going off the deep end (like an inverse of Silver evolving a Crobat in Gen 2).
Then for future appearances they can either port up something like a Tera Crystal item (handwave no Terastalization as not having an Orb) to serve functions like "Level up Dipplin holding the Crystal with a Poison Type in party" or maybe make it an item to enable Terapagos's specific gimmick (since that's a lot harder to divorce from it and has some comparison in Ogerpon's Masks).
Of course this is all assuming the Dipplin Evo is even supposed to explicitly be connected to the Dokutaro stuff and isn't just a "regular" Pokemon that thematically shows Kieran going off the deep end (like an inverse of Silver evolving a Crobat in Gen 2).
You know, given BM is fully linked up to the rest of the line (can even breed Teddiursas) and that they did make a new sprite for the Peat Block, I have to wonder if they won't just let you buy Peat Blocks at the Blueberry Academy and if you evolve Ursaring in Kitakami you get a Bloodmoon.
Cause you can't get Froakies from an Ash Greninja after all.
Yeah, it'll learn Tri-Attack like every other Pokémon with more than two heads and otherwise never refer to it at all.
Wugtrio got Triple Dive to presumably reference it's 3 bodies, so I would be a little surprised if apple but orochi didn't get some sort of direct move or ability reference to now being 8 heads, especially if it's prominent in its design (contrast with Dipplin's 2 heads being so hidden that without the dex and Double Hit you'd never know).
Even if its not something literal like "8 headed bite" or whatever, having the flavor show up in the description.
Even if its not something literal like "8 headed bite" or whatever, having the flavor show up in the description.
I see your logic because Hydras generally have 3 or 9 heads. I just thought, maybe the second wyrm from dipplin who we see the tail of still doesnt show its face? Its a stretch, but also...
With no less than eight heads and eight tails, this ferocious monster represents chaos. Each of its heads symbolizes a natural element such as fire, water, earth, wind, lightning, poison, light and darkness.
As you can see, it as described as having no less than 8 heads and tails, so it can be both Orochi and a hydra. But im no expert in Japanese Mythology
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Unless I'm missing something, the Kitakami dex does have the Applin family. They're #33 - #36.
Meant to say the leaked Blueberry dex rather than Kitakami, my bad