SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

Crimson Chris said:
I agree this is fake, but remember. This is the same company that didn't give Zamazenta Body Press until one Gen later and didn't give the mon who uses the shield of a king....King's shield.
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You have to remind that not giving Zama body press and "protect but better" was very likely deliberate, probably they feared it'd have been too strong defensively (and we know how much they like stall in vgc/bss).

This gen they realized that Zama sucked so were like "eh let's give it body press".


(Also, I would not always base "mob should get this" off english names in general. Remember Sucker Punch is not a punch for example, and High Horsepower actually has nothing to do with horses specifically at start, and is actually a reference to engine power. It was only distributed to other equine pokemon later in gen 8/9)
 
Crimson Chris said:
I agree this is fake, but remember. This is the same company that didn't give Zamazenta Body Press until one Gen later and didn't give the mon who uses the shield of a king....King's shield.
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King's Shield is hard coded to Aegislash. It fails if used on other Pokémon, and Metronome can't call it either

EDIT: I was wrong and it isn't hard coded
 
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Worldie said:
You have to remind that not giving Zama body press and "protect but better" was very likely deliberate, probably they feared it'd have been too strong defensively (and we know how much they like stall in vgc/bss).

This gen they realized that Zama sucked so were like "eh let's give it body press".


(Also, I would not always base "mob should get this" off english names in general. Remember Sucker Punch is not a punch for example, and High Horsepower actually has nothing to do with horses specifically at start, and is actually a reference to engine power. It was only distributed to other equine pokemon later in gen 8/9)
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This is a pet peeve but High Horsepower distribution is not an issue of localization
"Horsepower" is still part of the japanese name
The animation is literally a horseshoe hitting you

While I do think people wondering why non-horses get it are missing the really obvious other reading it's definitely intended to make you think of Horse first (see also: in SM it was revealed alongside and probably intended for Mudsdale), and "horsepower" the representation of speed/power second (see also: in SM it was a level 1 move on Golurk a giant robot Pokemon not available without Transfer).


But hey while we're here "Upper Hand" is "Quick Hand Reversal" in japanese and I bet it's another sumo term which is probably why it's fighting type and why Hariyama was the one to show it off. So I do wonder if its true distribution might reflect having hands or hand-esque limbs. Maybe even be limited to mostly fighting types.
 
R_N said:
But hey while we're here "Upper Hand" is "Quick Hand Reversal" in japanese and I bet it's another sumo term which is probably why it's fighting type and why Hariyama was the one to show it off. So I do wonder if its true distribution might reflect having hands or hand-esque limbs. Maybe even be limited to mostly fighting types.
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Upper Hand is also a reference to the phrase "They got the upper hand on this", meaning they're a few steps ahead of their opponent. It is also a popular sumo move
 
MaahirMomtaz12 said:
Upper Hand is also a reference to the phrase "They got the upper hand on this", meaning they're a few steps ahead of their opponent. It is also a popular sumo move
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I'm aware of what Upper Hand means, I was stating the Japanese name of it because if the distribution does wind up leaning exclusively towards hands (/fighting types) the sumo connotation is probably the reason.
 
StompyStomps said:
They brought back Sand Tomb and Spite as TMs, who both have basically no legitamate use. They also have TM Fire Spin, Disarming Voice and Fake Tears, so I would disagree with that train of logic. I agree that Sky Drop isnt coming back, but saying that "useless" moves wont come back is incorrect, they have already brought back some of these "useless" moves as TMs.


Some move distrubution anomalies;
Electro Shot: Its stated (I think) that it is Archaludons Signature Move, I dont think they would give it to other Pokemon.
Hard Press: Strange, I cant find any
Hold Still: Why would Rillaboom have this move?
Love Bite: I see 3 FE Fairy types on that list, and Whimsicott is one of them.
Psychic Noise: Why just A-Tales, and why just Zoroark-H?
Supercharged Cell: Why does Reshiram have it?
Upper Hand: So explain why Fezendipiti and only the Bloodmoon form or Ursaluna get it? And Kleavor, it hath no hands
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The point to be focused on with Sky Drop is that it was explicitly removed from Gen 8 in Dexit, vs the other moves existing even if not useful.

On the matter of the distribution, I would at least note that Reshiram still has that Turbine Tail that gives it a slightly machina/energy driven feel to its design, with heat also being a component of power cells/reactions at least. It's not the weirdest claim compared to all the other bizarre issues noted here.
 
I really doubt that TCPi would introduce a move called Love Bite, this is barely a double entrendre since it supposedly interacts with gender.

Like I said before, what even is dipplin evolution ability:

"Hydrappl's signature Ability, granting it the Poison–Typing permanently"

So will it be the first pokémon with three types? Or this more like Bombirdier ability? Or will it replace bug/dragon entirely and it will be fuctionally mono poison?

And why? Is it because all snakes are poisonous? But this is not even true in Pokémon lore, Silicobra and Sandaconda don't learn Toxic. The Hydra is more known for it's regenerative ability. The caduceus is more associated with health. Is it because it is weirdly associate with Momotaro Pokémon? but if so then why?

StompyStomps said:
It is because in most telling of the labors of Heracles (the original Greek version, Hercules is Roman), the Lernean Hydra's blood is one of the most potent mortal poisons, basically, its fucking deadly, and I suspect it will be like Bombirdier and Dhelmise's abilities, but thats just speculation.
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Of course but the Lernean Hydra is more known for regenerating its heads than for its poison, it would be like creating a Zeus inspired pokémon and making it a swan instead of an electric type.
 
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Blue glass said:
I really doubt that TCPi would introduce a move called Love Bite, this is barely a double entrendre since it supposedly interacts with gender.

Like I said before, what even is dipplin evolution ability:

"Hydrappl's signature Ability, granting it the Poison–Typing permanently"

So will it be the first pokémon with three types? Or this more like Bombirdier ability? Or will it replace bug/dragon entirely and it will be fuctionally mono poison?

And why? Is it because all snakes are poisonous? But this is not even true in Pokémon lore, Silicobra and Sandaconda don't learn Toxic. The Hydra is more known for it's regenerative ability. The caduceus is more associated with health. Is it because it is weirdly associate with Momotaro Pokémon? but if so then why?
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It is because in most telling of the labors of Heracles (the original Greek version, Hercules is Roman), the Lernean Hydra's blood is one of the most potent mortal poisons, basically, its fucking deadly, and I suspect it will be like Bombirdier and Dhelmise's abilities, but thats just speculation.
 
MaahirMomtaz12 said:
King's Shield is hard coded to Aegislash. It fails if used on other Pokémon, and Metronome can't call it either
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StompyStomps said:
True, and as I just realized (learned from above in this thread) Kings Shield is apperantly hard coded into Aegislash, which I didnt know before. Thank you MM12!
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No, MaahirMomtaz12 is wrong. King's Shield is not Aegislash-locked like Hoopa's Hyperspace Fury or Darkrai's Dark Void.

Source: I just loaded up SWSH to Mimic it in a double battle. It works.
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Also, King's Shield Smeargle is on a moveset on Smogon.
 
StompyStomps said:
It is because in most telling of the labors of Heracles (the original Greek version, Hercules is Roman), the Lernean Hydra's blood is one of the most potent mortal poisons, basically, its fucking deadly, and I suspect it will be like Bombirdier and Dhelmise's abilities, but thats just speculation.
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Having 3 types in-battle is already possible as a result of Forest's Curse and Trick-or-Treat, so an ability that fully adds Poison is plausible from a technical perspective. Though I expect the story would make a big deal of it being special if it was the first mon to implement a semipermanent triple type.
 
doipy hooves said:
No, MaahirMomtaz12 is wrong. King's Shield is not Aegislash-locked like Hoopa's Hyperspace Fury or Darkrai's Dark Void.

Source: I just loaded up SWSH to Mimic it in a double battle. It works.
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Also, King's Shield Smeargle is on a moveset on Smogon.
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Wow you got me there. I always thought it failed on any other Pokémon. Good to know! This means other Pokémon can theoretically learn it
 
Obvious fake leak aside, something I haven't seen being mentioned yet - During his preview of Indigo Disk, Joe Serebii said he ran into a Pa'u Oricorio.The earlier dex leak that we had did not have Pa'u Oricorio in it though (nor any Oricorio form, for that matter), which means either Oricorio is in Blueberry Academy but doesn't have a dex spot for some reason or that the earlier dex elak was incomplete (Meaning Bluebery Dex might have more Pokémon than we previosuly thought)
 
AquaticPanic said:
Obvious fake leak aside, something I haven't seen being mentioned yet - During his preview of Indigo Disk, Joe Serebii said he ran into a Pa'u Oricorio.The earlier dex leak that we had did not have Pa'u Oricorio in it though (nor any Oricorio form, for that matter), which means either Oricorio is in Blueberry Academy but doesn't have a dex spot for some reason or that the earlier dex elak was incomplete (Meaning Bluebery Dex might have more Pokémon than we previosuly thought)
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1701974833334993167
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Oricorio is in the second-last row at the bottom left.
 
MaahirMomtaz12 said:
Wow you got me there. I always thought it failed on any other Pokémon. Good to know! This means other Pokémon can theoretically learn it
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Oh, so I was wrong. Now that you mention it, I do recall it being used on Ferrothorn in SwSh STABmons.
doipy hooves said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1701974833334993167
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Oricorio is in the second-last row at the bottom left.
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Reuniclus is back, and now with Tera, how long will it take to tear up UU?
 
Blue glass said:
Of course but the Lernean Hydra is more known for regenerating its heads than for its poison, it would be like creating a Zeus inspired pokémon and making it a swan instead of an electric type.
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How Helen of Troy was born was by Zeus and Helen's mom (i forget her name) getting it on while Zeus was a swan, so you could make a Zeus based Swan Pokemon, and Dipplin2 could also have Regenerator for that matter, Potent Venom (just an idea for what that ability could be called), Regenerator, and Supersweet Syrup as abilities. It could also be a fake leak, which it is almost garunted to be.
 
doipy hooves said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1701974833334993167
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Oricorio is in the second-last row at the bottom left.
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Must've missed that then, my bad lmao

On another note, though - If all battles here are Doubles, then presumably each team comes in a set of 2, 4 or 6, right? In which case, if we are to assume BB League each uses 6, its interesting to see that they have very limited options (specially considering that starters are only unlocked at a certain point in the DLC so they may not be a part of any of the teams), which could imply they'll use off-type mons and tera them (as opposed to paldea league who uses same-type tera) or just use off-type mons like Raihan did

For reference, if i counted everything correctly, these should be their team options:

Steel - Alolan Dugtrio, Magnezone, Scizor, Skarmory, Metagross, Bastiodon, Excadrill (Empoleon if you wanna include starters; skipped Archaludon for obvious reasons)

Fairy - Alolan Ninetales, Granbull, Comfey, Alcremie (Primarina if you wanna include starters)

Fire - Magmortar, Camerupt, Torkoal, Talonflame, Pyroar, (Rotom-Heat and Oricorio-Baile if you wanna include out of battle form changes, all Fire starters if you wanna include those)

Dragon - Alolan Exeggutor, Kingdra, Flygon, Altaria, Haxorus, Archaludon (unless you also want to argue walking wake and raging bolt and hot dog!)
 
Crimson Chris said:
I agree this is fake, but remember. This is the same company that didn't give Zamazenta Body Press until one Gen later and didn't give the mon who uses the shield of a king....King's shield.
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King's Shield is a signature move that plays into Aegislash's gimmick, it makes sense not to give it to other Pokémon.

Bronzong is a Psychic bell that was one of the only Pokémon to actually learn the move Psychic Noise is replacing.
MaahirMomtaz12 said:
King's Shield is hard coded to Aegislash. It fails if used on other Pokémon, and Metronome can't call it either
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This is just straight up false information though.
 
Tbf, king's shield isn't callable by metronome, but that's because it's a protect clone, not because it's a signature move. That being said, I agree that it would be strange to just randomly give it to zamazenta with how much it's tied to aegislash's mechanics.

So this isn't a one-liner, it'll be interesting to see how kleavor is obtained. With the amount of likely important encounters that are already confirmed and scyther and scizor being cin the dex, they'll probably just make the black augurite available, but something similar to bloodmoon ursaluna isn't completely out of the question. In either case, hopefully it's easier than getting ursaluna is. Hunting for peat blocks in PLA is incredibly tedious and catching 3/4 of the kitikami dex just for bloodmoon is a bit excessive imo.
 
SturdyShedinja said:
Tbf, king's shield isn't callable by metronome, but that's because it's a protect clone, not because it's a signature move. That being said, I agree that it would be strange to just randomly give it to zamazenta with how much it's tied to aegislash's mechanics.

So this isn't a one-liner, it'll be interesting to see how kleavor is obtained. With the amount of likely important encounters that are already confirmed and scyther and scizor being cin the dex, they'll probably just make the black augurite available, but something similar to bloodmoon ursaluna isn't completely out of the question. In either case, hopefully it's easier than getting ursaluna is. Hunting for peat blocks in PLA is incredibly tedious and catching 3/4 of the kitikami dex just for bloodmoon is a bit excessive imo.
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At least the Black Augurite was, in its base game, marginally easier to get multiples of so if it is the way we get Kleavor and its in repeatable quantities (& not just Perrin giving us the one (1) copy of it...) ideally it follows off that. Maybe it'll be held by Alolan Gravelers or something.


Or it'lll just be shoved into a flying minigame's hardest mode as a rare drop.....
 
Considering that a large portion of the dex is composed of regional variants not native to unova, with one of them even being hisuian qwilfish, and with the whole terarium being a man-made landscape (as well as starters being there at all despite usually not being in the wild), I'm convinced they'll just have wild Kleavor walking around
 
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