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If anyone plans on using Coil, Aerial Ace would be good to consider since it's effective against Bug and other Grass types. It's only really good physical options are that, Leaf Blade, Return and Dragon Tail.

Props to Jaroda btw. My favorite pokemon is Sceptile so I'm really happy to see another kick ass Grass starter that isn't just a clone of Sceptile.
 
i looked at this pokemons dream world ability, looked at its speed, then looked at leaf storm, i think this pokemon could pull off a choice scarf or specs and still be incredibly powerful, on the switch your leafstorm doubles ur sp attack, which means if you did 1/3 hp dmg to them with no boost you get the kill on the 2nd turn, your sp attack just keeps rising and rising until a bulky ish pokemon with a 4x resistance appears, its bulk exsists for the sole reason to allow overgrow to activate to add to tis demonic power

i think this is such a solid pokemon that i need to do some calcs on dmg
 
If you look at it from the perspective of trying to single handedly take down their team, this kinda set is the only thing which makes sense:

-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Leaf Storm
-(Coverage move) This is the problem, of course. Whatever you go with, a number of popular pokemon will wall your attacks. HP Fire's probably best so you don't get walled by Grass types. However, you get raped by Heatran and all the Dragon/Flying types and Moltres.

You can go for three offensive moves, I suppose, but missing either Sub or Leech Seed would really really hurt this guy. Also, its movepool is so barren that this wouldn't make much of a difference anyway.
 
has worked out there are only 1 tru counter to this pokemon in the form of heatran, when using my set of

choice scarf @ contarion
modest 252spattk, 252speed
-leaf storm
-hp ground

that is really all the movepool is, scizor double resists it technically but if it comes on after its already got its +2 it dies, as it loses 137hp max from +2 and 206hp from the +4 at max though but it dosent really matter scizors 278 ish hp dosent stand much in the way,

heatran on the other hand can survive all of its possible leaf storms, so i guess on the movepool goes hidden power ground

other attachments to its array ill leave to you
 
Wait, does this ability affect Stat changes your opponents use on themselves? I heard it doesn't work for Swagger being used on the opponent, but would it work on their own stat changing? Because if so, this thing could well be able to stop CM Kyogre and Speed Boost Blaziken cold just by switching in.
 
AOTKorby said:
Wait, does this ability affect Stat changes your opponents use on themselves? I heard it doesn't work for Swagger being used on the opponent, but would it work on their own stat changing? Because if so, this thing could well be able to stop CM Kyogre and Speed Boost Blaziken cold just by switching in.
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I'm fairly sure it only works on stat changes to you.
 
Dear God this thing is a terror. Leaf Storm + Wring Out can 2HKO a massive amount of Pokemon. Add something like HP Water and very little can stand before your frighteningly quick boosts to +6.

On the bright side Ditto makes cocky Jaroda users suffer.
 
please take note that Smogon's policy regarding these new and powerful Dreamworld Abilities will be that they will not be enabled on the simulator until Nintendo has released, not just confirmed the Pokemon in question. in that light, i would like to say that i already like the normal Jaroda as it is, with its good defenses and speed, a useful support movepool, and cool aesthetics.

however, as powerful as Contrarian sounds, fact is, we might not even start breeding for Contrarian Smugleaves until middle/late-2012, and that is if Nintendo even decides to release such a Smugleaf. if i may suggest, we focus on making good Jaroda sets that won't have to rely on Contrarian, considering that his offensive movepool is kind of lacking to begin with.

-Leech Seed
-Substitute
-Torment
-Leaf Blade

A pity he doesn't get any damaging poison moves; Grass types will absolutely wall this thing, not to mention the Grass/Poison types. even Poison Jab would've helped :(
 
heroic poke said:
however, as powerful as Contrarian sounds, fact is, we might not even start breeding for Contrarian Smugleaves until middle/late-2012, and that is if Nintendo even decides to release such a Smugleaf.
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Can we stop talking like this? Of course it's going to be released, and we can talk about it until it is. They haven't withheld anything important from us in the past, so we don't have any precedent whatsoever to assume that they're just going to suddenly omit certain abilities on Pokemon pre-determined to have them.

Of course, Smogon's current policy means they won't be competitively relevant until they're released, but that doesn't mean we go full-circle skeptic and say they might not exist at all.
 
SJCrew said:
Can we stop talking like this? Of course it's going to be released, and we can talk about it until it is. They haven't withheld anything important from us in the past, so we don't have any precedent whatsoever to assume that they're just going to suddenly omit certain abilities on Pokemon pre-determined to have them.

Of course, Smogon's current policy means they won't be competitively relevant until they're released, but that doesn't mean we go full-circle skeptic and say they might not exist at all.
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nowhere in my post did i say that contrarian Jaroda won't exist. i'm just keeping expectations realistic. the way things are turning out, and you can really see it on the whole thread, it seems that people are tunnel vision-ing on contrarian jaroda, when other viable sets are available.
 
Set ?: Ubers Jaroda Physical Set

Jaroda @ Leftovers / Salac Berry
Ability: Overgrow
Nature: Jolly works best to increase Jaroda's already good Speed. However, Impish and Careful are also good at raising decent Defenses at the cost of Sp.Atk. For this set, it is doable.
EVs: 252 Spe, 252 SpDef, 4 Def
Moveset:
1. Dragon Tail [Dragon]
2. Glare [Normal]
3. Aerial Ace [Flying]
4. Leaf Blade [Grass]

Reasons behind Movepool:
1. Dragon Tail causes instant switch-ins, making undesired Pokemon go away, as well as denting Dragon-types heavily. Wobbuffet and Wynaut can Encore this all they want, but it will damage them and evict either one from the battle simultaneously.

2. Almost no one in Ubers likes to get paralyzed, especially if they're trying to set up a sweep. Note that with bonuses to Speed this guy outspeeds a vast majority of Gen. 4 Pokes in Ubers, as if it didn't already. Which it does.

3. Aerial Ace allows Jaroda to not get walled by other Grass-types. It also gives Erufuun a nasty surprise when it tries to Encore Jaroda.

4. Leaf Blade for STAB and high crit chance. Neither Groudon nor Kyogre would like it.
 
heroic poke said:
please take note that Smogon's policy regarding these new and powerful Dreamworld Abilities will be that they will not be enabled on the simulator until Nintendo has released, not just confirmed the Pokemon in question. in that light, i would like to say that i already like the normal Jaroda as it is, with its good defenses and speed, a useful support movepool, and cool aesthetics.

however, as powerful as Contrarian sounds, fact is, we might not even start breeding for Contrarian Smugleaves until middle/late-2012, and that is if Nintendo even decides to release such a Smugleaf. if i may suggest, we focus on making good Jaroda sets that won't have to rely on Contrarian, considering that his offensive movepool is kind of lacking to begin with.

-Leech Seed
-Substitute
-Torment
-Leaf Blade

A pity he doesn't get any damaging poison moves; Grass types will absolutely wall this thing, not to mention the Grass/Poison types. even Poison Jab would've helped :(
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Of course Grass-types wall it, but they really can't do shit back in the first place. Plus, that's why you have 5 other teammates, and if you have a solid Grass/Fire/Water core, you should be able to take out other Grass-types.
 
If any move tutors appear in the 3rd version of gen v that can teach it and if Jaroda can learn it, Superpower will be a monster move on it. an attack and defense boost every use!? That's insane!
 
It does, but if he could he would be even tougher to take down. It's incredibly unlikely but you never know what GF will do.
 
I agree with you on that. Just thinking of other moves contrarian could abuse, though the list is incredibly small.
 
Green Mage said:
Why is it wrong for him to suggest that it may not be released, and ok for you to boldly state that it will? Nobody has any idea.
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It's a Theorymon thread anyways. Nintendo MIGHT completely change Jarodas stats and type and whatever in the US release if they really want to. While heroic poke is completely right about his point, that it might be more practical to discuss non-DW Jaroda, it's kinda like suggesting that we could have a pizza in a thread about sandwiches.

Btw, @ above me:
Don't forget that Bidoof and Turtwig learn Superpower...
 
Bidoof and Turtwig having Superpower is probably more of a result of their final evos but fine, i'll concede that.
 
This thing is almost the same as Meganium. Good boosting moves, but terrible movepool.

At least it should have gotten Focus Blast...
 
Green Mage said:
Why is it wrong for him to suggest that it may not be released, and ok for you to boldly state that it will? Nobody has any idea.
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That's the point. A lot of people have been saying that it might not be released at all, which is a little pessimistic, given we have no precedence for it. It wouldn't have even crossed my mind that they'd suddenly decide "Oh, I know we decided that Politoed and Ninetails should have a gamebreaking ability, but we're just going to say 'fuck you' and not release it at all. ^_^" Where is that notion coming from?
 
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