Shirley Sherrod Fired

Obama couldn't pass health care because "Death panels" and "higher taxes" registered more with voters than "corporation run health care" and "cancellation of premiums"
obama 'couldn't pass healthcare'(whatever that means, god knows its impossible to tell what someone actually means when they talk about obama as related to healthcare these days) because he is a weak american liberal and the democrats are a bunch of bumbling fools.

deck knight is completely correct to say that the biggest thing holding the democrats back is their own ineptitude. the fact is that what the right would describe as 'socialism' resonates much more strongly with the american people than conservative policies in fact and implementation. the only thing holding back the democrats are successful right wing buzzwords and the fact that conservatives are more forceful with their politics. the democrats are weak and impotent because they cannot apply their own buzzwords and be as forceful with their politics. that is seriously it. a strong-willed leftist who doesn't mince words would clean up elections in america, but it seems everyone on the left is either too stupid or weak to figure it out.
 
Yep, that is pretty much right, God.

As for this atrocious news story, Obama was, in the eyes of his opponents, damned if he fired her, and damned if he didn't. He would have been relentlessly attacked either way, and anyone who feels differently is incredibly naive.
 
But that's the problem I'm trying to address. Universal Healthcare has proven successful in 29/29 industrialized nations, while corporate healthcare has proven the most unsuccessful in 100% of industrialized nations, but Americans are still afraid of change towards Universal Health care. It's not Obama, nor his policies, it the American people (and probably people worldwide in general, but since others adopted UHC, American people) being so easily swayed by catchy slogans. Second, Obama tried numerous times to take leadership of the Health care debate and when all he's greeted with is "rising insurance premiums," "Higher taxes," and my favorites "DEATH PANELS;" then how can he advance the debate?

Universal Healthcare has only been proven one thing in 29/29 industrialized nations: fiscally insolvent in the long-term. That is not a success any more than using a catapult to make a brick ascend over a building and calling it flight. The brick is not flying, it's drag simply hasn't caught up to it yet. Research stagnation and fiscal insolvency are not success, they are failure.

Medicare is America's underfunded mandate, and mercifully it does not eat up all of our health sector. There were stories as recent as yesterday about the British NHS "decentralizing" away from government panels to local physicians, and also cutting services. In Massachusetts we have attempted to implement single-payer through the Commonwealth Connector. The only problem is our 90%+ Democratic legislature did not include a cost containment element. Meaning that, as predicted, premiums have risen. You claim to care about "advancing the debate." Cold, hard realities about UHC's ineptitude are sufficient for me to conclude the debate is over, and UHC is a doomed, inefficient system destined to drag down doomed, inefficient nations. By emulating their failed system in America we would only be advancing our decline at an ever greater pace, not avoiding it.

We are already borrowing 40 cents of every dollar the federal government spends. We cannot afford another massive entitlement. Here in America we don't turn away anyone for medical treatment, despite the, what do you call it? Oh, "Fearmongering" the left uses. One of our greatest burdens on the system is the use of emergency rooms by illegal aliens. That's right, even if you're dead broke, can't speak English, and aren't even a US citizen, big bad "unsuccessful" American health care doesn't deny you treatment, and US citizens foot the bill for it (begrudgingly, but we still do). And you get treated in short order. And we have enough beds for your premies. And you get treated by whoever is on call, whether its the newbie or the medical staff director. And we can hook you up with a specialist fairly quickly too.

"Unsuccessful?" What a crock. We have the best medical system in the world, hands down. We are the most innovative, and we do what a health care delivery system is supposed to do: Treat the sick, not queue the healthy. Only when "unsuccessful" is a code word for "non-socialized" does such an analysis hold water.

I remember last year the forums were discussing this and proponents did not call it "Universal Health Care." They called it "Free Health Care." As if the most expensive entitlement dragging down every world economy was cost-free. Effectively they were promising to satisfy infinite demand with zero supply (Governments are non-productive. They have no money, it must all be transferred from productive citizens with non-infinite incomes). UHC is economic nonsense. You can't meet infinite demand with zero supply.

My earlier point hardly needs reinforcing. The innate assumption of the left is that people are falling for buzzwords and fearmongering instead of analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of proposed policies. I always assume that I am the baseline for the average adult. I am 24 years old and thus lack the life experience of my elders, and I have never been a standout genius in comparison to my peers. Nor am I the most industrious person I know.

I still want to make my own decisions regarding my own life. I do not have the sneering, self-important arrogance to suggest that anyone else, much less the "person of average intelligence" is beneath me in this basic adult capacity.

There are several Republican proposals that have been put forward. Acknowledging this would of course undermine your contention to the contrary. Rep. Paul Ryan's is merely one of many.

Here is what I would propose:

1. Expansion of HSAs:


Health Savings Accounts are a brilliant "corporate healthcare" innovation. What you do is set aside a certain amount of pre-tax dollars to spend on your health care needs, apportioned out of your check each pay period. You are already going to spend the money anyway, this benefit allows you to also gain tax benefits from purchases you were already going to make. Because you individually control the amount you want to put in, you make much better health care decisions. Most people can discern what their health care usage and its cost is going to be a year in advance. The HSA maximum allowed by an employer may not be able to cover all of this, however the tax savings in such a maximum will make the actual purchasing power of the individual greater than it otherwise would be.

Moreover, HSAs can only be spent on actual medical expenses and not used as a generic bank account. Any non-used HSA expenses should be accumulated for use in later years. Combined with the proposal below this will make the early, healthy years of life a massive guard against catastrophic or chronic illness later in life.

2. Individually Based Health Care Accounts.

The greatest weakness of the current system is that most people get their health care from their jobs. This worked back in the golden age of Big Auto and Big Tech where you had the same job for 40 years. Now job changes are common. Your health coverage should thus be attachable and detachable to each of your employers, and the amount you wish contributed to your premium a contractable negotiation with each employer. You may have to pay a higher percentage if your employer cannot compensate such a percentage, but you could bargain to pay the premium yourself in exchange for a higher gross pay. Again this policy would be to maximize individual control. If done from the time you get your very first job you should never run into any pitfalls regarding things like previously existing conditions.

As an individual account that can only be used on health care expenses, it bears repeating that the generally healthy early years of employment, combined with payments over time and a possible internal interest mechanism will be a massive safeguard against end-of-life costs. Upon your death, you could transfer any balance of the account into a "Health Trust Fund" for your beneficiaries. Meaning if you and your entire family are healthy for basically their entire lives and later generations end up marrying someone with less favorable health genetics, there will be more than enough money to cover any medical expenses.

3. Minimal governmental involvement.

In administering and tracking these private accounts, the government's only role should be to investigate fraudulent use. As an entity with no ability to make payments, its only useful function is to act as the long arm of law enforcement to ensure accounts have not been stolen or fabricated. Contracted non-inheritance transfers should especially be monitored for fraud.

The net result of these three policies is a maximum individual benefit at minimum cost. The control lies entirely with the patients and their doctors. Should indeed people be "too stupid" to adapt to this system they do not become a burden on others, and in fact the transferable nature of balances should allow for health trust charities to be readily available among goodhearted people who also have good health.

All of these proposals fit within the general conservative mold, which should be the Republican mold but is not because establishment Republicans are essentially as inept as establishment Democrats. Nobody knows how to swipe defeat from the jaws of victory better than establishment Republicans. The only reason they survive is because nobody fumbles the ball in a wide-open field better than establishment Democrats. What ends up happening is the Republicans make a shitty throw leading to an interception, which the Democrats proceed to fumble with no ground gained.

Unlike most Americans, including most lifelong Democratic voters, Obama does not live his life as a conservative. He looks down his nose at those of us who are not "world citizens" like he is. Unlike us with our real or attempted fiscal restraint, he throws lavish parties and treats the US taxpayer as his free ticket to celebrity. Judgmental to the core, he resents there still exist people who "cling to their guns and religion." He is an impulsive cowboy in many ways worse than George W. Bush because he lacks even basic humility common to most Americans. He has no respect for the tradition even of the office he holds. He believes himself transcendent to all we jingoistic plebeians. It should come as no surprise then that his is a thin-skinned, reactionary administration full of like-minded radicals.

Finally, his complete lack of experience in any private endeavor leads him to badly mangle situations requiring real leadership. Any crisis he himself has not fabricated he cannot look in control of. The Gulf Oil Spill took him entirely by surprise as his first action, after awoken from his 10 day slumber, was to prepare the Gulf for an invasion of lawyers. Instead of repealing the Jones Act to allow foreign ships to offer aid, he doubled Louisiana's economic hazard by placing an offshore drilling moratorium. His demeanor was entirely flippant as he partied and golfed and occasionally claimed he would literally find some ass to kick. (My bet would be on Tony Hayward in such an ass-kicking contest)

This is a pattern within his Administration which led to the hasty firing of Shirley Sherrod. His first big mistep was characterizing the Cambridge Police while publicly admitting he did not have all the facts. He doubled the laying low of the Presidency by then proposing a "beer summit" to make up for his own stupidity. Later he stood by Van Jones, swearing not to be hoodwinked by his own haste again until it was revealed that yes, Van Jones is essentially unfit to be a serious administration official. Nevermind that "green jobs czar" is merely one of Obama's fabricated, entirely unaccountable new czardoms (and I doubt it "saved or created" anything). It would seem Obama has an even greater fondness for the unitary executive than his predecessor. Now Obama has gone back to his original model of extreme haste, coming full circle. His campaign slogan was "Judgment to lead." He can take solace that "down and out" is, at least, an actual direction.

Obama has no one to blame but himself for his position. He has squandered the largest amount of goodwill and political tailwinds offered to any president in living memory. The Sherrod mess is just the latest incarnation of his incompetence, and he and his lackeys classic lines of "FOX NEWS! ITHE RIGHT-WING!" ring hollow. No one believes a man and a party with no credibility. It is good to criticize a sitting president. I suspect none of the liberals here had any problem that George W. Bush was savaged daily, in ways both fair and unfair. If I were to hazard a guess, at the top of the initial thoughts would be "he deserved it." So does Obama. So does any person who wants to be the president of this heterogeneous nation of opinionated loudmouths.
 
Yep, that is pretty much right, God.

As for this atrocious news story, Obama was, in the eyes of his opponents, damned if he fired her, and damned if he didn't. He would have been relentlessly attacked either way, and anyone who feels differently is incredibly naive.
What about in the eyes of his supporters? Firing her was the wrong option.

Have a nice day.
 
who cares, instead of talking about afghanistan we're bitching about some random bureaucrat who got smeared by some random conservative hack

the news media at work - distract people from real issues by focusing their passions in utterly irrelevant directions.

shirley sherrod, while unfortunate that she got smeared (though i have no love lost for government bureaucrats), is a non-story compared to the continued keynesian mismanagement of the economy, hemmoraging blood and treasure in imperial wars overseas, while Big Business and Big Government conspire to take ever more of the national wealth through regressive taxation (hi i'm a big corporation and pay virtually nothing while smaller ones pay 70% and regular taxpayers pay 50%), corporate subsidies, "regulation" designed to protect big players, bailouts, protectionism, unpaid for destruction of environment, property, and livelihood, the ever expanding surveillance state and our ever contracting liberty, etc, etc.

so yeah, who the fuck cares that andrew breitbart wanted to start a mini-race war on his shitty blog; in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.
 
I'm agreeing with Ancien Regime. This is not something that happens often (ever?) so I would take special note of what he just said!

obama 'couldn't pass healthcare'(whatever that means, god knows its impossible to tell what someone actually means when they talk about obama as related to healthcare these days) because he is a weak american liberal and the democrats are a bunch of bumbling fools.

deck knight is completely correct to say that the biggest thing holding the democrats back is their own ineptitude. the fact is that what the right would describe as 'socialism' resonates much more strongly with the american people than conservative policies in fact and implementation. the only thing holding back the democrats are successful right wing buzzwords and the fact that conservatives are more forceful with their politics. the democrats are weak and impotent because they cannot apply their own buzzwords and be as forceful with their politics. that is seriously it. a strong-willed leftist who doesn't mince words would clean up elections in america, but it seems everyone on the left is either too stupid or weak to figure it out.
I'd say both you and the bit of the post you quoted are very true.
 
"Unsuccessful?" What a crock. We have the best medical system in the world, hands down. We are the most innovative, and we do what a health care delivery system is supposed to do: Treat the sick, not queue the healthy. Only when "unsuccessful" is a code word for "non-socialized" does such an analysis hold water.

This is why reasonable debate can't happen. When one side sees the HC problem for what it is, and the other remains willfully misinformed about the quality of Health Care, we get no where. Check here for a list of rankings in world health care. America does not have the best health care in the world, not even close. We are not even top 25, we are ranked 37/190 behind every European and developed nation with Universal Health Care. Hell, we are only two spots above Cuba whose GDP per capita is 80th in the world. So empirically there's something to government run health care.



My earlier point hardly needs reinforcing. The innate assumption of the left is that people are falling for buzzwords and fearmongering instead of analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of proposed policies. I always assume that I am the baseline for the average adult. I am 24 years old and thus lack the life experience of my elders, and I have never been a standout genius in comparison to my peers. Nor am I the most industrious person I know.

I still want to make my own decisions regarding my own life. I do not have the sneering, self-important arrogance to suggest that anyone else, much less the "person of average intelligence" is beneath me in this basic adult capacity.

Granted I can respect you want to make your own decisions, but like I said earlier about Adam Smith saying that there are certain problems only the government can adequately address (as private enterprise has no interest in solving said problems). You may not like socialized HC, but that doesn't mean its bad or infringing on yours or anyone else's rights. Lots of things today are socialized (Libraries, colleges, police, schools, mail, roads, bridges and, dams, fire fighters, the list goes on) and all of those work very well.

There are several Republican proposals that have been put forward. Acknowledging this would of course undermine your contention to the contrary. Rep. Paul Ryan's is merely one of many.

Here is what I would propose:

1. Expansion of HSAs:


Health Savings Accounts are a brilliant "corporate healthcare" innovation. What you do is set aside a certain amount of pre-tax dollars to spend on your health care needs, apportioned out of your check each pay period. You are already going to spend the money anyway, this benefit allows you to also gain tax benefits from purchases you were already going to make. Because you individually control the amount you want to put in, you make much better health care decisions. Most people can discern what their health care usage and its cost is going to be a year in advance. The HSA maximum allowed by an employer may not be able to cover all of this, however the tax savings in such a maximum will make the actual purchasing power of the individual greater than it otherwise would be.

Moreover, HSAs can only be spent on actual medical expenses and not used as a generic bank account. Any non-used HSA expenses should be accumulated for use in later years. Combined with the proposal below this will make the early, healthy years of life a massive guard against catastrophic or chronic illness later in life.

2. Individually Based Health Care Accounts.

The greatest weakness of the current system is that most people get their health care from their jobs. This worked back in the golden age of Big Auto and Big Tech where you had the same job for 40 years. Now job changes are common. Your health coverage should thus be attachable and detachable to each of your employers, and the amount you wish contributed to your premium a contractable negotiation with each employer. You may have to pay a higher percentage if your employer cannot compensate such a percentage, but you could bargain to pay the premium yourself in exchange for a higher gross pay. Again this policy would be to maximize individual control. If done from the time you get your very first job you should never run into any pitfalls regarding things like previously existing conditions.

As an individual account that can only be used on health care expenses, it bears repeating that the generally healthy early years of employment, combined with payments over time and a possible internal interest mechanism will be a massive safeguard against end-of-life costs. Upon your death, you could transfer any balance of the account into a "Health Trust Fund" for your beneficiaries. Meaning if you and your entire family are healthy for basically their entire lives and later generations end up marrying someone with less favorable health genetics, there will be more than enough money to cover any medical expenses.

3. Minimal governmental involvement.

In administering and tracking these private accounts, the government's only role should be to investigate fraudulent use. As an entity with no ability to make payments, its only useful function is to act as the long arm of law enforcement to ensure accounts have not been stolen or fabricated. Contracted non-inheritance transfers should especially be monitored for fraud.

The net result of these three policies is a maximum individual benefit at minimum cost. The control lies entirely with the patients and their doctors. Should indeed people be "too stupid" to adapt to this system they do not become a burden on others, and in fact the transferable nature of balances should allow for health trust charities to be readily available among goodhearted people who also have good health.

Granted these are proposals, these were not the "credible" ideas I had when I said they lack ideas. These proposals do more to empower the HC industry. The HC corporations don't have an interest in treating people, but denying coverage or canceling coverage out of financial interests. So individual based HCA leave a healthy person with one "devil" of their choosing, giving that HC provider a client for 40 years. Deregulation leads to worse HC quality provided and more cancellation of premiums. And tax credits to pay for Health care....

All of these proposals fit within the general conservative mold, which should be the Republican mold but is not because establishment Republicans are essentially as inept as establishment Democrats. Nobody knows how to swipe defeat from the jaws of victory better than establishment Republicans. The only reason they survive is because nobody fumbles the ball in a wide-open field better than establishment Democrats. What ends up happening is the Republicans make a shitty throw leading to an interception, which the Democrats proceed to fumble with no ground gained.

Agreed

Unlike most Americans, including most lifelong Democratic voters, Obama does not live his life as a conservative. He looks down his nose at those of us who are not "world citizens" like he is. Unlike us with our real or attempted fiscal restraint, he throws lavish parties and treats the US taxpayer as his free ticket to celebrity. Judgmental to the core, he resents there still exist people who "cling to their guns and religion." He is an impulsive cowboy in many ways worse than George W. Bush because he lacks even basic humility common to most Americans. He has no respect for the tradition even of the office he holds. He believes himself transcendent to all we jingoistic plebeians. It should come as no surprise then that his is a thin-skinned, reactionary administration full of like-minded radicals.

Finally, his complete lack of experience in any private endeavor leads him to badly mangle situations requiring real leadership. Any crisis he himself has not fabricated he cannot look in control of. The Gulf Oil Spill took him entirely by surprise as his first action, after awoken from his 10 day slumber, was to prepare the Gulf for an invasion of lawyers. Instead of repealing the Jones Act to allow foreign ships to offer aid, he doubled Louisiana's economic hazard by placing an offshore drilling moratorium. His demeanor was entirely flippant as he partied and golfed and occasionally claimed he would literally find some ass to kick. (My bet would be on Tony Hayward in such an ass-kicking contest)

This is a pattern within his Administration which led to the hasty firing of Shirley Sherrod. His first big mistep was characterizing the Cambridge Police while publicly admitting he did not have all the facts. He doubled the laying low of the Presidency by then proposing a "beer summit" to make up for his own stupidity. Later he stood by Van Jones, swearing not to be hoodwinked by his own haste again until it was revealed that yes, Van Jones is essentially unfit to be a serious administration official. Nevermind that "green jobs czar" is merely one of Obama's fabricated, entirely unaccountable new czardoms (and I doubt it "saved or created" anything). It would seem Obama has an even greater fondness for the unitary executive than his predecessor. Now Obama has gone back to his original model of extreme haste, coming full circle. His campaign slogan was "Judgment to lead." He can take solace that "down and out" is, at least, an actual direction.

Obama has no one to blame but himself for his position. He has squandered the largest amount of goodwill and political tailwinds offered to any president in living memory. The Sherrod mess is just the latest incarnation of his incompetence, and he and his lackeys classic lines of "FOX NEWS! ITHE RIGHT-WING!" ring hollow. No one believes a man and a party with no credibility. It is good to criticize a sitting president. I suspect none of the liberals here had any problem that George W. Bush was savaged daily, in ways both fair and unfair. If I were to hazard a guess, at the top of the initial thoughts would be "he deserved it." So does Obama. So does any person who wants to be the president of this heterogeneous nation of opinionated loudmouths.

1. We have no reason to believe anybody looks down their nose at us, until they prove they do. (I seriously doubt a man who grew up like he did is elitist). Second, I don't think a president with intellect (hell we just had 8 years of Bush) is such a bad thing.

2. The guns and religions thing, was about the "buzzwords" I've mentioned. He was saying that people vote based on catchy slogans about God and Guns and not in their interests (like how the economy in this election didn't become an issue until it blew up in everyone face and before that how an issue of who would be answering the phone at 3 AM even came to be). But in the year in a half he's been in office, name one area where he's tried to take people's god/guns.

3. Listen to what Van Jones had to say about the oil spill. The problem here is deregulation and lack of oversight. Obama did what a president should up until that ass kicking comment. Obama didn't try to act presidential, act tough, or do photo-ops, he placed a moratorium so another spill wouldn't happen while we still dealing with the first mess. Like Van Jones said about the spill, it's like a cockroach in your house, you can say that's the only cockroach, but you're lying to yourself. Where there is one rickety rig, there a another 100 we don't know about.

4. Henry Louis Gates was the victim of racial profiling on the part of a crooked cop, read the full details of how an officer in an email said he was upset they didn't bust that (racial slur). Or how the officer on the scene (I forget his name) said the neighbor identified a black man breaking into the house, which she claims to have never said. She actually said (after being pressured by the police to name the intruder by ethnicity) the intruder looked latino. Or how Gates was accused of harassing the officer and his "mama", despite the officer's video tape corroborating Gates' story of events that the officer was out of line. But he's the kicker, the minute Obama says something bad about a racist cop, the right wing is on him like he just slapped a white woman. Obama should have grown a sack and said it like it is, but instead he had to be all nice about it to avoid stepping on toes.
 
2. The guns and religions thing, was about the "buzzwords" I've mentioned. He was saying that people vote based on catchy slogans about God and Guns and not in their interests (like how the economy in this election didn't become an issue until it blew up in everyone face and before that how an issue of who would be answering the phone at 3 AM even came to be). But in the year in a half he's been in office, name one area where he's tried to take people's god/guns.

Hey, one point for Obama. Imagine that.


Normally you guys would say that healthcare has already been talked about and that a "consensus" has been reached or whatever that means, but seeing as I'm not the first person to drudge it up I might as well say that I hate insurance. I think it's a protection racket, and I hate how dependent on it we are. But Universal Healthcare takes that protection racket and makes it mandatory, and with Obama's plan it even makes insurance mandatory so wtf. How we do make medicine less expensive without compromising our doctors? Why can't we focus on that and not on what Europe does? Where's Objection and his book of fallacies? I know there's one about doing something just because the cool kids do it.
 
for a list of rankings in world health care. America does not have the best health care in the world, not even close. We are not even top 25, we are ranked 37/190 behind every European and developed nation with Universal Health Care. Hell, we are only two spots above Cuba whose GDP per capita is 80th in the world. So empirically there's something to government run health care.

Outdated, biased (weights inequality of services while not making clear whether this means "a lot of people are getting shitty care and the rich are getting great care, or whether a lot of people are getting good care and the rich are getting incredible care"), and generally seems to be structured in a way that rewards your healthcare system for being socialized.

In fact, the editor-in-chief himself said only a few years later that it involved "so many made up numbers" and the result was a "nonsense ranking".


Granted I can respect you want to make your own decisions, but like I said earlier about Adam Smith saying that there are certain problems only the government can adequately address (as private enterprise has no interest in solving said problems).

I'm starting to believe this is true because some things are difficult to price effectively, difficult to be paid for, or require so much capital with so few initial profits that the entrepreneur simply cannot carry the project through (pretty much why the free market can't do certain types of R&D, and certainly can't do space, unless materials become super cheap)

However, government has yet to give the private sector the opportunity to address these problems, and certain issues (like pollution) are not addressed because of inadequate property rights (instead of suing BP for damages, if the water around that rig was privatized, you could simply hit them with "grand destruction of property").

You may not like socialized HC, but that doesn't mean its bad or infringing on yours or anyone else's rights. Lots of things today are socialized

To be quite honest, you can't really make this argument unless you're an anarchist. Government infringes on your rights simply by being a monopoly provider of defense and litigation services (i.e, simply by existing), so if you agree to having a government at all, you agree to be subject to government intervention.

(of course the question becomes "does said intervention work")

colleges, police, schools, mail, roads, bridges and, dams, fire fighters

and all of those work very well.

oh wooooooow

schools?
the POLICE?
government mail running deficits all the time?
fire fighters are volunteer or local-based, as are police to boot.

Granted these are proposals, these were not the "credible" ideas I had when I said they lack ideas. These proposals do more to empower the HC industry. The HC corporations don't have an interest in treating people, but denying coverage or canceling coverage out of financial interests.

There's more to why the HC industry is so bad that progressive talking points won't address, mostly artificial entry barriers to doctors and nurses and the like, a HMO system designed to restrict competition by locking health insurance to employment, and a web of mandates (most of them for discretionary health expenses) that insurers are forced to cover for, driving up prices.
 
Let's try to stay on topic and not turn this into yet another conservative versus liberal debate. It's not like those are ever productive.
 
What about in the eyes of his supporters? Firing her was the wrong option.

Have a nice day.

I beleive DM was saying that no matter what decision Obama made, someone (group) from somewhere was going to get upset over one decision or the other. If thats what he [DM] was saying then I agree with his post completely.
 
OK more on topic now...

I think firing her so fast was obviously a mistake, but not one you can entirely lay at the feet of either the conservative media or the Obama administration. Really, the political climate that North America is in dictated the responses of both parties.

This climate I'm talking about is what I like to call "The Political Circus" where it isn't about what your issues, ideas or plans are, but how good your PR is. That's all that matters in today's politics. Politics has basically become marketing, and that is undermining everyone's life because politicians are more focused on getting reelected than actually doing their job.

Now I know it was a PR disaster for the Obama administration to do this, but they didn't have much choice. It was either appear indecisive and sympathetic to a racist or seem like you "shoot first and ask questions later". Lose lose situation. The conservative media put them in this position to be sure, but again, they're only doing what is required to make it in today's political climate; slander the other side or never be elected again.

The only thing this incident really tells us is that something is deeply wrong with the way politics is working in North America, as if we really needed the reminder.
 
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