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NOC Smallstreet Mafia v2 Won by the Mafia (Clouds, Ehmcee, Dead By Daylight, Duskfall98)
- Thread starter jalmont
- Start date
rip fren
Well at least we know we're dealing with a quartet with weak PRs.
Vote Duskfall98
I'd also be willing to try DBD.
Vote Duskfall98
I'd also be willing to try DBD.
Greatly apologize for not being around when I said I would be, I feel fairly responsible for the M2H vote happening in the way that it did and I'll try to be much more online as we go on.
Alright then, it is seeming incredibly more likely that we are in a 4 man setup, I think many people before me had the right idea (especially M2H) that Public Vanilla is an incredibly enticing role to have as Mafia, the 0 cost as well as public nature of it makes it incredibly easy to use and feign innocence. Especially after the death of the Priest, there is in my opinion one scum in the mix of Public Vanilla / Neighborizer / Gladiator / Fruit Vendor, with Fruit Vendor being more annoying as a role and Gladiator not offering much utility to scum, I think we should go through with a DbD vote
Vote Dead by Daylight
Alright then, it is seeming incredibly more likely that we are in a 4 man setup, I think many people before me had the right idea (especially M2H) that Public Vanilla is an incredibly enticing role to have as Mafia, the 0 cost as well as public nature of it makes it incredibly easy to use and feign innocence. Especially after the death of the Priest, there is in my opinion one scum in the mix of Public Vanilla / Neighborizer / Gladiator / Fruit Vendor, with Fruit Vendor being more annoying as a role and Gladiator not offering much utility to scum, I think we should go through with a DbD vote
Vote Dead by Daylight
I'm also somewhat suspicious of Clouds, I've been somewhat transparent with my dislike of them, but I will wait until a full pubclaim goes through before deciding whether or not to pursue that wagon (for reasons I'll withhold for now).
That being said, our main power roles have been revealed (DV and Vengeful), I think it is greatly in our best interest to go for a FULL PUBLIC CLAIM. We should be able to break down what kinds of budget structures the scum team must've gone for once we hit a scum member.
That being said, our main power roles have been revealed (DV and Vengeful), I think it is greatly in our best interest to go for a FULL PUBLIC CLAIM. We should be able to break down what kinds of budget structures the scum team must've gone for once we hit a scum member.
i dont trust ehmcee or flandrs rn bc i really think i was onto something w that d1 slip nonsense, but i don't know if thats stupid. might be
its interesting that hydro was the one to die, i wonder if that means that like clouds/tommy are maf. believeable
i might have shot hydro over clouds tho bc inactivity
so we'll see, im willing to make a pubclaim
its interesting that hydro was the one to die, i wonder if that means that like clouds/tommy are maf. believeable
i might have shot hydro over clouds tho bc inactivity
so we'll see, im willing to make a pubclaim
I thought I was onto something with that too, but we weren't. Not much more to say. Hydro flip definitely makes tommy more sus in combination with town!M2H.
vote Duskfall98
wish i was here at all the last day cause there was so much that got to fly that shouldn't have at all. i'm pretty sure the wagons were tvt and wound up podracing for exactly that reason, and though i'm not committing to solving around that just yet, i've seen this story play out before
i'm slightly leaning towards 4 mafia too but it's far from a confident stance at this point, what's making you think that's for sure the case Ehmcee StupidFlandrs48? am i missing some context? if it has to do with commuter flipping, that's not a role that a mafia team of 3 has to choose all the time and there are merits to selecting from other high cost roles, that's way too insufficient of a reason to lock in 4 mafia
also one of the strange things to read back was how saber claimed DV out of the blue and then selfvoted when he had minimal heat on him, the way he phrased it almost read like he was told to claim it but maybe that's just because of how unprompted it feels. if it was anyone but saberslasher11 i'd say that selfvote could easily be more for show, saber i don't think does that as mafia unless it's decided upon in a mafia team chat
wish i was here at all the last day cause there was so much that got to fly that shouldn't have at all. i'm pretty sure the wagons were tvt and wound up podracing for exactly that reason, and though i'm not committing to solving around that just yet, i've seen this story play out before
i'm slightly leaning towards 4 mafia too but it's far from a confident stance at this point, what's making you think that's for sure the case Ehmcee StupidFlandrs48? am i missing some context? if it has to do with commuter flipping, that's not a role that a mafia team of 3 has to choose all the time and there are merits to selecting from other high cost roles, that's way too insufficient of a reason to lock in 4 mafia
also one of the strange things to read back was how saber claimed DV out of the blue and then selfvoted when he had minimal heat on him, the way he phrased it almost read like he was told to claim it but maybe that's just because of how unprompted it feels. if it was anyone but saberslasher11 i'd say that selfvote could easily be more for show, saber i don't think does that as mafia unless it's decided upon in a mafia team chat
ah wait i guess vengeful is discounted from the equation too
i mean yeah we can see what the full picture looks like first but i wouldn't be surprised if the recruit happened, it may be safer to play around that being the case anyways. if it's a mafia team of 4, i think saber is almost always town unless mafia somehow works themselves out of the debt they'd accrue from both a recruit and a DV purchase. you'd basically have to BPV people every night to make up the deficit, it seems super not worth it
massclaim is gonna be pretty helpful when the time comes because if the higher power roles are slots i feel better about, then it'll clear the brush to just start solving as if it's a recruit game. saber is more of a slight townlean at the moment, it's just that stilted claim junk that's hard to look past
if we make zero progress in the first half of the day then we should massclaim, that was not a great D1 at all. M2H got better after i'd checked out yet i never had the time to come back around and move my vote, so i apologize for being as useful as a rock in that sense and allowing for that wagon to be taken advantage of. highly doubt that wagon is completely pure, mafia were likely distributed between both wagons in some way or had some presence on either and then 1-2 no-voters, i'm trying to sort this all out now and will loop back around here when i have more time
also worth noting: hydro died as like one of the only player(s) suggesting a separate flashwagon to the two lead wagons. this might not mean a ton at face value, but i don't understand what other reasons there'd be to kill hydro over like, myself or angrypidgeon or someone more vocal. not that hydro was inactive, because he was more active than even i was D1, but there's for sure more to it. maybe a valuable PR read?
i mean yeah we can see what the full picture looks like first but i wouldn't be surprised if the recruit happened, it may be safer to play around that being the case anyways. if it's a mafia team of 4, i think saber is almost always town unless mafia somehow works themselves out of the debt they'd accrue from both a recruit and a DV purchase. you'd basically have to BPV people every night to make up the deficit, it seems super not worth it
massclaim is gonna be pretty helpful when the time comes because if the higher power roles are slots i feel better about, then it'll clear the brush to just start solving as if it's a recruit game. saber is more of a slight townlean at the moment, it's just that stilted claim junk that's hard to look past
if we make zero progress in the first half of the day then we should massclaim, that was not a great D1 at all. M2H got better after i'd checked out yet i never had the time to come back around and move my vote, so i apologize for being as useful as a rock in that sense and allowing for that wagon to be taken advantage of. highly doubt that wagon is completely pure, mafia were likely distributed between both wagons in some way or had some presence on either and then 1-2 no-voters, i'm trying to sort this all out now and will loop back around here when i have more time
also worth noting: hydro died as like one of the only player(s) suggesting a separate flashwagon to the two lead wagons. this might not mean a ton at face value, but i don't understand what other reasons there'd be to kill hydro over like, myself or angrypidgeon or someone more vocal. not that hydro was inactive, because he was more active than even i was D1, but there's for sure more to it. maybe a valuable PR read?
I don't see any world here where a 3-man mafia team splurging on expensive PRs doesn't go for vengeful. Vengeful, doublevoter and MFH are what I'd go for because they essentially amount to extra KP and protection, which is worth its weight in gold. Great lineup without needing to hand out BPVs (obviously still on the lookout for BPV claims though). I am essentially treating saber as a greencheck at this point in time, unless we lynch a low-value obvscummy role and it flips town, since that punches a hole in my theory here.
hydro's mafia equity had actually risen a bit for me in the time between night end & what i was able to catch up on in thread before the day began, so that was one of the least expected deaths in my eyes. his posts looking back after M2H's flip looked like he was jumbling TMI on t!M2H and taking advantage of misreads by softly echoing that it was a bad wagon, turns out he's just a goat and was townreading them correctly
First of all, apologies for not being able to post yesterday near the deadline when Pulsar recommended me to vote.
I was going to argue anyway that it was a bad idea because I didn't feel too confident. Even though it might seem like a big coincidence, my only suspicions were on M2H for having suggested the massive public claim. But you already saw that it wasn't mafia, which is why I preferred not to vote.
I was going to argue anyway that it was a bad idea because I didn't feel too confident. Even though it might seem like a big coincidence, my only suspicions were on M2H for having suggested the massive public claim. But you already saw that it wasn't mafia, which is why I preferred not to vote.
WIFOM
I will go to sleep now, but not before having the pleasure of confirming that I received the fruit
i think this is a dangerous line of thinking, since there's tons of low-cost roles outside of public vanilla. it's not impossible, sure, and i'll admit that i'm a bit swayed right now after catching up on yesterday due to thinking that was a textbook tvt wagon scenario that got taken advantage of by mafia, but there are many reasons that defaulting to that role alone being on mafia is a risky idea that extend beyond this
i'm also a bit nervous to see you starting off today on pretty much the same track as yesterday given my current view of the game
I knew it would give that impression, I would have liked to be able to post on time yesterday, but I couldn't
like, let's say we're right that it's a 4-person mafia team. you know you get 1 healer minimum, choosing none is one of the most -ev plays mafia can make. you could even technically go both so that 1 healer looks good if the other flips mafia, but let's say for the sake of the solve that we're just looking at 1 for now. that takes up one slot, then you have 3 remaining slots between the low cost roles, of which there's plenty to decide from that aren't pure vanilla and would at least have some utility