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NOC Smallstreet Mafia v2 Won by the Mafia (Clouds, Ehmcee, Dead By Daylight, Duskfall98)
- Thread starter jalmont
- Start date
I still think massclaim is a bit rash for now, we have some decent info from flips that we can carry into more content and informed-ish votes. Considering it in a D3 context atm
Actually let's switch gears and see where it goes.
Vote Lechen
Vote Lechen
This is an extremely scummish vote, "switching gears" wtf
Also what tf did I do StupidFlandrs48
Should I post the schizo post I had ready to go? Imma post it
Ugh if I don't babysit the thread and force good votes down people's throats, they will always mislynch town. FIRSTLY, I owe an apology to m2h. I should have showed up and engaged with you before deadline yesterday. I was doing something from 3PM onwards which made it difficult for me to be on (that is only weekends, so in general I will be on at deadline). But I have nothing but regrets for letting M2H get wagoned without my input. I don't regret my vote on DBD and I still think its a good vote.
Skippergamez's application to the North Atlantic Townblock Organization has been ACCEPTED. Congratulations Skipper. Any vote on Skipper will trigger an article 5 response. Current NATO members include:
AP, Alice, Skippergamez, Lechen
Founding members of NATO, our first order of business is to vote on whether or not to add StupidFlandrs48 to the Townblock. Please Aye or Nay, and keep in mind he must be 85% town to you for you to vote him in.
Lets talk about who is scum this game:
Duskfall98
If you think Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon this game, think again. Whenever I am away from this game, contemplating it, and I happen to think about his collective body of work in the thread, I cant help but literally laugh out loud. To be entirely honest, he's been limping around the thread hemorraging scumtells ever since I called him out on his opening post on trying to fabricate counterfeit towncred. His posts are equal parts of the following: wifoming, clowning, fluffing, and paperthin scumhunting attempts. There is a very obvious reason for this: he has the word MAFIA in his role pm, likely bolded and red.
Sadly Duskfall's interactions with M2H looked "good" for him but do NOT be fooled. This was just him getting more comfortable in the thread because I had left. M2H again its 100% my fault for not being here to talk to you, but you gotta shoot DBD or Tommy every time there. If Tommy wants to ride or die on his misread of you, he gets shot. Now we're left in a world where he as mafia pretty much never gets lynched and cleanly coasts to endgame on his weird interaction with you. DBD is who I would have preferred shot because hes scummy and getting wagoned and even if he were town, which he probably is not, hes going to be a distraction down the line. IDK The Apricity shot was OK and tbqh I GET it. I too am annoyed that apricity decided to just not play the game despite the fact there were subs on the line. Ok maybe hes playing for a day two turnabout, or trying to feign a PR? IDK but it was annoying that a good player was just actively not playing the game.
Honestly though M2H should have been completely untouchable after his vengeful claim. He should have been unvoted IMMEDIATELY because of his claim. This is also why DBD was a good vote because we ended up voting off a role which is town 9 times out of 10 easily. Duskfall's comment that this role should be voted was well beyond incorrect. Why would I ever vote a role which mafia is unlikely to pick? Jalmont actually ruled pre-game that the venge-kill activates if the vengeful is NK'd. Personally not how I would mod it, but regardless, this is yet another reason to never EVER vote off the vengeful here. AGAIN, anyone who thinks Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon is kidding themselves.
DBD
Not voting DBD yesterday will go down as one of the town errors of all time. The counterwagon was sus as hell, led by """townaligned""" individuals.
StupidFlandrs48
Bro, PLEASE work with me if you are in fact town here. To be perfectly honest, I think one of my big hangups with you is that I townread you when I read ToS and that ended up being wrong. I did in the very late game ToS realize that actually you could be mafia. My point is, my town game, sadly and no matter how much copium I huff, is mid-elo. My scumgame is actually insane. I have a healthy respect for your scumgame after seeing you in ToS. No I don't actually believe you are playing to what I saw of your scummeta and I don't like meta reads anyways. My point is that you are someone I will have a hard time trusting. All that schizo rant aside, nearly all of Flandrs posts do make me think he is playing to a town wincon. The way he reacted to my accusation that he was insistent on misvoting felt like he was genuinely hurt. His post saying he hates playing scum makes me a bit I do think Flandrs is town, I just wish he was town enough to be admitted to NATO.
Skippergamez
I did like Skipper's post which I read over the night phase. I am inclined to think Skipper is town this game. Also willing to sheep M2H on this read.
Ehmcee
Need more from Ehmcee today. The "townslip" post is getting stale and I can't remember anything he said yesterday other than he's a D1 pacifist (boo hiss). I am still inclined to think Ehmcee is town, but I'm downgrading this to a mehtown until Ehmcee actually engages with the town.
Pulsar
I do still think Pulsar is town here. You could call this one a gut read but I think she is just playing town who is having fun and not trying to hard to read people, but does still produce good content time to time which does not feel forced. So I like Pulsar this game, but I am downgrading a little bit because IDK. Some people do think Pulsar is scummy this game and its possible I'm putting to much faith in a gut read. I don't think I am, but I will concede I'm not totally sure here.
Saberslasher
Lurkscum. Very valid lynch today.
Electricity Cat
The guy likes his watermelons, what can I say. In the "maybe" townpile for now. Definitely not lynchable today.
NightEmerald
Ok so there is nothing concrete that makes me think he is scum. His posts do seem fairly carefree so far and he is providing content and offering links to games of his relevant meta. However, I don't think its a coincidence that me, M2H, and HH all independently got some gut read on NE. I'm listing NE as null for now but a little on the sus side.
ImaginaryNeon
NULL. I really don't know. He voted M2H over DBD which is a strike.
Clouds
Still likely town. I do have some small suspicions on Clouds. I'm sure he'll insist his DBD read is more nuanced, but he did kind of say "Its too scummy to be scum" which like come on. If you are town don't fall in that trap. IMO DBD is mafia. The M2H lynch actively hurt from a massclaim/solve PoV because Vengeful is a role that is nearly always town and still gets its vig when NK'd. I know you weren't online to see all this happen. I think Duskfall is playing like obvscum this game and I do somewhat worry about his interactions with you. The voices in my head want to interpret your interactions as like "ok we need to get the initial theater over with then get on to townreading each other" you know what I mean? But I am basing that on Duskfall being scum which it seems me and maybe Alice are the only ones who seem to be entertaining that opinion.
Best Lynches Today:
DBD, Duskfall98, Saberslasher
Acceptable Lynches Today:
NightEmerald, Neon
Welcome To NATO:
Lechen, Alice, Skippergamez
NATO vassal states:
Clouds, ElectricityCat
Please Consider Applying For Townblock Membership!
Ehmcee, Flandrs, Pulsar
Skippergamez's application to the North Atlantic Townblock Organization has been ACCEPTED. Congratulations Skipper. Any vote on Skipper will trigger an article 5 response. Current NATO members include:
AP, Alice, Skippergamez, Lechen
Founding members of NATO, our first order of business is to vote on whether or not to add StupidFlandrs48 to the Townblock. Please Aye or Nay, and keep in mind he must be 85% town to you for you to vote him in.
Lets talk about who is scum this game:
Duskfall98
If you think Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon this game, think again. Whenever I am away from this game, contemplating it, and I happen to think about his collective body of work in the thread, I cant help but literally laugh out loud. To be entirely honest, he's been limping around the thread hemorraging scumtells ever since I called him out on his opening post on trying to fabricate counterfeit towncred. His posts are equal parts of the following: wifoming, clowning, fluffing, and paperthin scumhunting attempts. There is a very obvious reason for this: he has the word MAFIA in his role pm, likely bolded and red.
Sadly Duskfall's interactions with M2H looked "good" for him but do NOT be fooled. This was just him getting more comfortable in the thread because I had left. M2H again its 100% my fault for not being here to talk to you, but you gotta shoot DBD or Tommy every time there. If Tommy wants to ride or die on his misread of you, he gets shot. Now we're left in a world where he as mafia pretty much never gets lynched and cleanly coasts to endgame on his weird interaction with you. DBD is who I would have preferred shot because hes scummy and getting wagoned and even if he were town, which he probably is not, hes going to be a distraction down the line. IDK The Apricity shot was OK and tbqh I GET it. I too am annoyed that apricity decided to just not play the game despite the fact there were subs on the line. Ok maybe hes playing for a day two turnabout, or trying to feign a PR? IDK but it was annoying that a good player was just actively not playing the game.
Honestly though M2H should have been completely untouchable after his vengeful claim. He should have been unvoted IMMEDIATELY because of his claim. This is also why DBD was a good vote because we ended up voting off a role which is town 9 times out of 10 easily. Duskfall's comment that this role should be voted was well beyond incorrect. Why would I ever vote a role which mafia is unlikely to pick? Jalmont actually ruled pre-game that the venge-kill activates if the vengeful is NK'd. Personally not how I would mod it, but regardless, this is yet another reason to never EVER vote off the vengeful here. AGAIN, anyone who thinks Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon is kidding themselves.
DBD
Not voting DBD yesterday will go down as one of the town errors of all time. The counterwagon was sus as hell, led by """townaligned""" individuals.
StupidFlandrs48
Bro, PLEASE work with me if you are in fact town here. To be perfectly honest, I think one of my big hangups with you is that I townread you when I read ToS and that ended up being wrong. I did in the very late game ToS realize that actually you could be mafia. My point is, my town game, sadly and no matter how much copium I huff, is mid-elo. My scumgame is actually insane. I have a healthy respect for your scumgame after seeing you in ToS. No I don't actually believe you are playing to what I saw of your scummeta and I don't like meta reads anyways. My point is that you are someone I will have a hard time trusting. All that schizo rant aside, nearly all of Flandrs posts do make me think he is playing to a town wincon. The way he reacted to my accusation that he was insistent on misvoting felt like he was genuinely hurt. His post saying he hates playing scum makes me a bit I do think Flandrs is town, I just wish he was town enough to be admitted to NATO.
Skippergamez
I did like Skipper's post which I read over the night phase. I am inclined to think Skipper is town this game. Also willing to sheep M2H on this read.
Ehmcee
Need more from Ehmcee today. The "townslip" post is getting stale and I can't remember anything he said yesterday other than he's a D1 pacifist (boo hiss). I am still inclined to think Ehmcee is town, but I'm downgrading this to a mehtown until Ehmcee actually engages with the town.
Pulsar
I do still think Pulsar is town here. You could call this one a gut read but I think she is just playing town who is having fun and not trying to hard to read people, but does still produce good content time to time which does not feel forced. So I like Pulsar this game, but I am downgrading a little bit because IDK. Some people do think Pulsar is scummy this game and its possible I'm putting to much faith in a gut read. I don't think I am, but I will concede I'm not totally sure here.
Saberslasher
Lurkscum. Very valid lynch today.
Electricity Cat
The guy likes his watermelons, what can I say. In the "maybe" townpile for now. Definitely not lynchable today.
NightEmerald
Ok so there is nothing concrete that makes me think he is scum. His posts do seem fairly carefree so far and he is providing content and offering links to games of his relevant meta. However, I don't think its a coincidence that me, M2H, and HH all independently got some gut read on NE. I'm listing NE as null for now but a little on the sus side.
ImaginaryNeon
NULL. I really don't know. He voted M2H over DBD which is a strike.
Clouds
Still likely town. I do have some small suspicions on Clouds. I'm sure he'll insist his DBD read is more nuanced, but he did kind of say "Its too scummy to be scum" which like come on. If you are town don't fall in that trap. IMO DBD is mafia. The M2H lynch actively hurt from a massclaim/solve PoV because Vengeful is a role that is nearly always town and still gets its vig when NK'd. I know you weren't online to see all this happen. I think Duskfall is playing like obvscum this game and I do somewhat worry about his interactions with you. The voices in my head want to interpret your interactions as like "ok we need to get the initial theater over with then get on to townreading each other" you know what I mean? But I am basing that on Duskfall being scum which it seems me and maybe Alice are the only ones who seem to be entertaining that opinion.
Best Lynches Today:
DBD, Duskfall98, Saberslasher
Acceptable Lynches Today:
NightEmerald, Neon
Welcome To NATO:
Lechen, Alice, Skippergamez
NATO vassal states:
Clouds, ElectricityCat
Please Consider Applying For Townblock Membership!
Ehmcee, Flandrs, Pulsar
Dropped loaves of bread all over the thread (a lot messier than crumbs) and super tunneled in a way that looks possibly TMI'd to me. Also you haven't really been pressured by anybody so I wanna stir shit up if no one else will
Crazy how many people are busting out the excuses for not defending M2H when they supposedly were "tragically not present at or near DL". One of those people (clouds, ecat, AP) has gotta be scum, leaning toward it being ecat
Not done reading this yet but I love this lightly shitpost-y brand of serious wallpost. Very refreshing style!
I literally asked us not to vote m2h so if anything you should probably be voting anyone else.
i did just make some pastry that was very crumbly,
idt we should lynch the confirmed mayor, no way mafia went high power roles and didnt buy commuter and vengeful
Bad post. The few reads you actually put effort into (me, tommy, clouds) are good, but the rest is scummy schlock. Glossing over saber's confirmed doublevoter claim in the face of an obvious recruitment setup is negligent at best and derpscum at worst, the way you shade pulsar while insisting probtown strikes me as hedgy distancing, and Ecat and Ehmcee are unjustifiably ignored. Ecat's no-vote isn't really AI as a new player but his post-hoc justifications and comments on the flips absolutely are, and they are not good. Insisting skipper and especially Lechen should be part of towncore is a stretch to say the least. Your stance on NE goes back and forth and makes no sense, although it does raise valid points about the exact composition of his D1 content.
agree with most of the stuff in this post, except I feel like pulsar is pretty scummy and skipper shoudn't be towncore
Come to think of it I haven't made a full readlist this game, that's quite out of character for me, I'll fix it now.
TOWN
me :3
saberslasher11
Alice Kazumi
AngryPidgeon (before wallpost)
Clouds
Ehmcee
skippergamez
MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
Lechen
AngryPidgeon (after wallpost)
--"Submissive and lynchable" territory--
ElectricityCat
pulsar512b
Dead by Daylight
Duskfall98
SCUM
NEON'S POCKET DIMENSION
ImaginaryNeon
TOWN
me :3
saberslasher11
Alice Kazumi
AngryPidgeon (before wallpost)
Clouds
Ehmcee
skippergamez
MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
Lechen
AngryPidgeon (after wallpost)
--"Submissive and lynchable" territory--
ElectricityCat
pulsar512b
Dead by Daylight
Duskfall98
SCUM
NEON'S POCKET DIMENSION
ImaginaryNeon
This is a worse post than pigeon's lol, no explanation, why is Alice, who has like zero presence, and Clouds so high. Only thing I agree with is that your lynch list looks pretty accurate. Please unvote me btw, I am literally the towniest town here and you still have not given me an explanation on what the hell I did to be voted over pulsar/dbd/duskfall
You look way too offended here. I like Alice and Clouds' posting, I haven't seen scum!Clouds but atp his content is so good that I'm fine going with a TR on him unless something goes awry in massclaim or smth. Why are you "the towniest town here"? I don't need to give explanations for votes right in the moment, there are times and places for that and this isn't one of them. I don't really like how you're responding to pressure here, especially when I'm not even scumreading you that hard yet. I want to sort you and see your reactions to situations you (unfairly) haven't been put in yet, and I'm not liking what I see here.
you voted me, and I really don't like being at risk of dying, thank you very much. Again, I want an explanation as to why tf you are voting me when we have 3 objectively better targets
Strangely hyperbolic response to having exactly one (1) vote on you, which I haven't even cast with the intention of fully pushing a lynch.
There is no such thing as "objectively" better vote targets outside of redchecks. As for why I'd bother with you, you're already answering the question for me.
I still have not gotten an answer to my question
dbd is a better vote, because he is public vanilla, which is commonly picked by mafia in recruit scenarios
While I was trying to catch my sheet up over the night cycle I kept feeling M2H was scummy and I remember having other thoughts but forgot what they were...
Oh yeah apricity had one post about Flandrs I kinda felt I was able to kinda see.
Oh yeah apricity had one post about Flandrs I kinda felt I was able to kinda see.
Thank god for bookmarks.