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There is a grace period where bots and owners won't be punished for not being on the register (we're still there).The register is not public in the first place so you're just assuming that they're breaking the rules.
There will be an option to not match with bots on ladder but it's still not implemented, you'll have to be patient.
Will I gain or lose COIL for a suspect if I fight against a registered bot?
to my knowledge bots are not able to match with players who are participating in a suspect test, however according to this post “bots will not affect ratings” implies that all rating metrics are completely unaffected by playing against a bot, including COIL.
so your saying i CANT farm bots for elo? they hate to see us win
interesting, fighting bots gains nothing for us and only gets them training data to surpass us, why would anyone choose to play them?
Some people just like playing Pokemon.
thankfully theres a little button you can click to play pokemon without supporting the bot agenda
For teambuilding advice I would recommend finding the subforum or some other chat about the format you are building for as they will be able to give you better advice than just nebulously asking for general Dragonite partners. You can find the discord servers for all of smogons main formats here.
Grass knot is coded as a contact move ingame, if you’re asking for the logic behind it I’m not too sure, but it’s not the only special attack to make contact, other notable examples are Draining Kiss and Electro Drift
Potentially stupid question: I understand the tier hierarchy of AG->Uber->OU->UUBL->UU->RUBL->RU->NUBL->NU->PUBL->PU->ZUBL->ZU, because it's all linearly based on usage or the restriction thereof. However, where exactly does NFE->LC fit into it? The Pokémon in the latter are a subset of the former (I think? It looks like it at a glance), but neither is a proper subset of the above-listed tiers. So where do they fit in? Are they just considered to be at the bottom, below ZU?
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They are categories that also have functional tiers. LC stands for Little Cup, a tier that has come to mean "any 'mon that isn't evolved but can evolve" and NFE stands for Not-Fully-Evolved, a category that became a tier which means "anything not fully evolved" (shocker).
These two do not fit into the usage based tiering structure because they aren't part of it, they're their own things.
These two do not fit into the usage based tiering structure because they aren't part of it, they're their own things.
So, in regard to the AG-> ... ->ZU rankings, where do the Pokémon that are labeled in the website's lists as "LC" and "NFE" fall? Are they simply considered "untiered"?
LC and NFE are separate metagames that don't fall under the usual tiering system, LC is for level 5 unevolved mons that can evolve (think larvesta, tinkatink etc.) while NFE is for mons that aren't fully evolved (think drakolak, clefairy etc.)
mons labelled LC or NFE generally don't have a usage-based placement in the standard tiers, but they can still be used in those tiers provided they're legal
you can read more about them and their respective metagames here:
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/lc/
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/nfe/
adding onto what skype and a fairy said: any fully evolved pokemon that is legal to use in ZU is (at least in the builder) marked as ZU, even if it's not "ZU by usage" (ie with usage above 4.52%). not fully evolved pokemon, meanwhile, can fall from ZU to NFE (or to LC, if the pokemon has not evolved) if their usage in ZU falls below 4.52%. the LC and NFE metagames are however completely independent of the usual tiering system, for example pikachu is currently marked as ZU in the teambuilder but is perfectly legal in NFE.
when a pokemon is banned from LC and it doesn't have enough usage to be marked as any OU->ZU tier, it gets marked as NFE in the builder even if it hasn't evolved yet. see diglett, torchic, vulpix, voltorb-hisui....
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Ahh, so even though the NFE and LC metagames have nothing to do with the usage scale, the Pokémon specified with those two labels in the Strategy Dex are effectively ZU on that scale, even though they don't reach the usage threshold for a proper ZU designation?