Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: November 2015

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"Granbull in RU is a mistake. Granbull was literally the only Gurdurr counter in NU and now that the Pokemon in gone Gurdurr is unchecked. Hopefully we see a Gurdurr ban soon"

I'll make sure to bring up a possible Gurdurr suspect since i am now on NU council! Or you could try other things that beat Gurdurr like Scyther, psychic Mesprit, barrier calm mind stored power Musharna, psychic defensive Xatu, etc :toast:
 
| 49 | Sylveon | 3.562% |
| 52 | Conkeldurr | 3.415% |
For the love of god, OU

| 48 | Altaria | 4.299% |
welp
| 54 | Togekiss | 3.279% |
close

| 36 | Ambipom | 7.338% |
| 45 | Typhlosion | 5.643% |
| 48 | Cinccino | 5.488% |
lol

| 83 | Hitmonchan | 0.989% |
uh, so once it dropped, it really went down in usage. it can happen RU!!
 
Moving over gurdurr.... How are bulky/stall teams in nu supposed to beat sawk now that the only counter granbull is gone? Even gallade was easier to play around.
 
Why'd ru need granbull? Why is ambi at 7 percent? Can we bann low ladder?
I'm not too sad about pinsir leaving but I'm gonna miss its good coverage as an sr lead
Give us back toad pls
 
Antar said:
PU is now an official tier, FWIW, but I don't see that having any affect on FU (please, someone do something about the naming).


FU
FU is an unofficial banlist based on the lowest-level metagame. It is not currently supported on any simulator, but since we have usage stats for PU, and since people have expressed interest in such a metagame, here is a proper banlist:
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Combined usage for PU
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| 1    | Roselia            | 23.562% |
| 2    | Machoke            | 18.742% |
| 3    | Zebstrika          | 15.817% |
| 4    | Floatzel           | 13.529% |
| 5    | Armaldo            | 12.528% |
| 6    | Stoutland          | 12.397% |
| 7    | Kadabra            | 11.806% |
| 8    | Golem              | 11.620% |
| 9    | Probopass          | 11.143% |
| 10   | Monferno           | 10.057% |
| 11   | Raichu             | 10.034% |
| 12   | Stunfisk           |  9.941% |
| 13   | Mr. Mime           |  9.424% |
| 14   | Pelipper           |  9.334% |
| 15   | Lickilicky         |  8.687% |
| 16   | Misdreavus         |  8.670% |
| 17   | Grumpig            |  8.615% |
| 18   | Rotom-Frost        |  8.212% |
| 19   | Dodrio             |  7.941% |
| 20   | Ursaring           |  7.730% |
| 21   | Torkoal            |  7.584% |
| 22   | Gourgeist-Super    |  7.435% |
| 23   | Relicanth          |  7.386% |
| 24   | Chatot             |  7.355% |
| 25   | Arbok              |  7.279% |
| 26   | Dusknoir           |  6.919% |
| 27   | Tangela            |  6.655% |
| 28   | Simipour           |  6.367% |
| 29   | Piloswine          |  6.360% |
| 30   | Avalugg            |  6.353% |
| 31   | Clefairy           |  6.249% |
| 32   | Jumpluff           |  6.127% |
| 33   | Mightyena          |  5.994% |
| 34   | Leafeon            |  5.954% |
| 35   | Rampardos          |  5.937% |
| 36   | Basculin           |  5.740% |
| 37   | Fraxure            |  5.688% |
| 38   | Politoed           |  5.637% |
| 39   | Purugly            |  5.631% |
| 40   | Marowak            |  5.558% |
| 41   | Solrock            |  5.483% |
| 42   | Rapidash           |  5.281% |
| 43   | Drifblim           |  5.115% |
| 44   | Beheeyem           |  4.980% |
| 45   | Regice             |  4.944% |
| 46   | Ninetales          |  4.671% |
| 47   | Articuno           |  4.630% |
| 48   | Electrode          |  4.514% |
| 49   | Flareon            |  4.494% |
| 50   | Leavanny           |  4.405% |
| 51   | Vullaby            |  4.394% |
| 52   | Ninjask            |  4.314% |
| 53   | Metang             |  4.285% |
| 54   | Vigoroth           |  4.080% |
| 55   | Golduck            |  4.036% |
| 56   | Linoone            |  3.970% |
| 57   | Lapras             |  3.904% |
| 58   | Luxray             |  3.862% |
| 59   | Volbeat            |  3.850% |
| 60   | Sawsbuck           |  3.783% |
| 61   | Kingler            |  3.764% |
| 62   | Gabite             |  3.749% |
| 63   | Meowstic           |  3.683% |
| 64   | Vibrava            |  3.452% |
| 65   | Swanna             |  3.431% |
| 66   | Gogoat             |  3.144% |
| 67   | Carbink            |  3.061% |
| 68   | Meganium           |  2.984% |
| 69   | Simisear           |  2.865% |
| 70   | Lumineon           |  2.845% |
| 71   | Swoobat            |  2.673% |
| 72   | Seaking            |  2.663% |
| 73   | Pikachu            |  2.529% |
| 74   | Frogadier          |  2.497% |
| 75   | Duosion            |  2.491% |
| 76   | Gigalith           |  2.431% |
| 77   | Glaceon            |  2.368% |
| 78   | Regigigas          |  2.325% |
| 79   | Electabuzz         |  2.318% |
| 80   | Bastiodon          |  2.309% |
| 81   | Slaking            |  2.279% |
| 82   | Dusclops           |  2.163% |
| 83   | Huntail            |  2.133% |
| 84   | Klang              |  2.014% |
| 85   | Servine            |  2.006% |
| 86   | Wartortle          |  1.960% |
| 87   | Ariados            |  1.875% |
| 88   | Ditto              |  1.790% |
| 89   | Heatmor            |  1.767% |
| 90   | Simisage           |  1.767% |
| 91   | Hippopotas         |  1.700% |
| 92   | Unfezant           |  1.604% |
| 93   | Persian            |  1.550% |
| 94   | Whiscash           |  1.474% |
| 95   | Wigglytuff         |  1.470% |
| 96   | Wormadam-Trash     |  1.449% |
| 97   | Krokorok           |  1.333% |
| 98   | Butterfree         |  1.324% |
| 99   | Magcargo           |  1.320% |
| 100  | Magmar             |  1.280% |
| 101  | Hypno              |  1.257% |
| 102  | Furfrou            |  1.238% |
| 103  | Beartic            |  1.210% |
| 104  | Whirlipede         |  1.189% |
| 105  | Kricketune         |  1.170% |
| 106  | Dragonair          |  1.166% |
| 107  | Lunatone           |  1.134% |
| 108  | Raticate           |  1.112% |
| 109  | Zweilous           |  1.087% |
| 110  | Murkrow            |  1.059% |
| 111  | Octillery          |  1.054% |
| 112  | Maractus           |  1.047% |
| 113  | Swalot             |  1.031% |
| 114  | Seviper            |  1.013% |
| 115  | Dewgong            |  0.999% |
| 116  | Onix               |  0.977% |
| 117  | Scraggy            |  0.958% |
| 118  | Emolga             |  0.949% |
| 119  | Noctowl            |  0.946% |
| 120  | Vanilluxe          |  0.927% |
| 121  | Dedenne            |  0.918% |
| 122  | Gourgeist-Small    |  0.907% |
| 123  | Walrein            |  0.883% |
| 124  | Weepinbell         |  0.878% |
| 125  | Quilladin          |  0.875% |
| 126  | Corsola            |  0.856% |
| 127  | Shedinja           |  0.855% |
| 128  | Croconaw           |  0.852% |
| 129  | Dunsparce          |  0.841% |
| 130  | Bellossom          |  0.801% |
| 131  | Honedge            |  0.786% |
| 132  | Pidgeot            |  0.754% |
| 133  | Tropius            |  0.683% |
| 134  | Bronzor            |  0.683% |
| 135  | Carnivine          |  0.681% |
| 136  | Venipede           |  0.660% |
| 137  | Lairon             |  0.660% |
| 138  | Girafarig          |  0.652% |
| 139  | Gourgeist-Large    |  0.646% |
| 140  | Masquerain         |  0.639% |
| 141  | Marshtomp          |  0.593% |
| 142  | Sunflora           |  0.585% |
| 143  | Bibarel            |  0.584% |
| 144  | Staryu             |  0.540% |
| 145  | Ivysaur            |  0.533% |
| 146  | Munchlax           |  0.532% |
| 147  | Spinda             |  0.522% |
| 148  | Fearow             |  0.508% |
| 149  | Chimecho           |  0.498% |
| 150  | Gourgeist          |  0.462% |
| 151  | Sliggoo            |  0.440% |
| 152  | Natu               |  0.435% |
| 153  | Furret             |  0.420% |
| 154  | Carracosta         |  0.417% |
| 155  | Mothim             |  0.411% |
| 156  | Sudowoodo          |  0.400% |
| 157  | Wailord            |  0.382% |
| 158  | Pignite            |  0.373% |
| 159  | Lampent            |  0.370% |
| 160  | Barbaracle         |  0.365% |
| 161  | Trapinch           |  0.357% |
| 162  | Dustox             |  0.354% |
| 163  | Parasect           |  0.351% |
| 164  | Delibird           |  0.345% |
| 165  | Chinchou           |  0.342% |
| 166  | Cottonee           |  0.332% |
| 167  | Phione             |  0.330% |
| 168  | Kabuto             |  0.310% |
| 169  | Meditite           |  0.303% |
| 170  | Mienfoo            |  0.298% |
| 171  | Tentacool          |  0.296% |
| 172  | Farfetch'd         |  0.293% |
| 173  | Quilava            |  0.287% |
| 174  | Eelektrik          |  0.281% |
| 175  | Porygon            |  0.280% |
| 176  | Illumise           |  0.278% |
| 177  | Pachirisu          |  0.278% |
| 178  | Archen             |  0.274% |
| 179  | Dwebble            |  0.268% |
| 180  | Omanyte            |  0.264% |
| 181  | Wormadam-Sandy     |  0.239% |
| 182  | Beautifly          |  0.237% |
| 183  | Sandshrew          |  0.235% |
| 184  | Nosepass           |  0.232% |
| 185  | Staravia           |  0.232% |
| 186  | Nidorino           |  0.222% |
| 187  | Vespiquen          |  0.221% |
| 188  | Gastly             |  0.208% |
| 189  | Stunky             |  0.203% |
| 190  | Castform           |  0.199% |
| 191  | Gloom              |  0.198% |
| 192  | Shelgon            |  0.197% |
| 193  | Stantler           |  0.194% |
| 194  | Braixen            |  0.188% |
| 195  | Seadra             |  0.181% |
| 196  | Lickitung          |  0.179% |
| 197  | Charmeleon         |  0.176% |
| 198  | Grotle             |  0.167% |
| 199  | Drilbur            |  0.165% |
| 200  | Pineco             |  0.156% |
| 201  | Marill             |  0.145% |
| 202  | Clamperl           |  0.144% |
| 203  | Palpitoad          |  0.142% |
| 204  | Delcatty           |  0.130% |
| 205  | Ledian             |  0.129% |
| 206  | Dewott             |  0.127% |
| 207  | Aipom              |  0.121% |
| 208  | Koffing            |  0.119% |
| 209  | Riolu              |  0.118% |
| 210  | Slowpoke           |  0.117% |
| 211  | Cherrim            |  0.114% |
| 212  | Minun              |  0.110% |
| 213  | Magnemite          |  0.109% |
| 214  | Zorua              |  0.108% |
| 215  | Trubbish           |  0.104% |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
Banlist: Arbok, Armaldo, Articuno, Avalugg, Basculin, Beheeyem, Bouffalant, Chatot, Clefairy, Dodrio, Drifblim, Dusknoir, Electrode, Exeggutor, Flareon, Floatzel, Fraxure, Gabite, Golduck, Golem, Gorebyss, Gothitelle, Gourgeist-Super, Grumpig, Jumpluff, Kadabra, Kingler, Lapras, Leafeon, Leavanny, Lickilicky, Linoone, Luxray, Machoke, Marowak, Meowstic, Metang, Mightyena, Misdreavus, Monferno, Mr. Mime, Ninetales, Ninjask, Pawniard, Pelipper, Politoed, Probopass, Purugly, Raichu, Rampardos, Rapidash, Regice, Relicanth, Roselia, Rotom-Frost, Sawsbuck, Simipour, Solrock, Stoutland, Stunfisk, Swanna, Tangela, Torkoal, Ursaring, Vibrava, Vigoroth, Volbeat, Vullaby, Zebstrika
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Hmmmm... I know that PU being official not necesarily has to affect the status of FU but... Couldn't FU take the ladder spot from PU on th other metagames section on PS?

I know FU community isn't as big as PU's but a ladder will give us a little chance to really improve our tier even if it keeps being unnoficial for a while...

PLEAAAAASEEEEE!
 
gamer boy said:
Why would something so amazing drop .-.

Bouf is a slower Stoutland with Head Charge and Sap Sipper over Scrappy. I don't really see why that is what you opted to bold when Pawniard+Exeggutor is legit unwallable...
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we can do burdapam now, might as well do dogespam too
 
iplaytennislol said:
"Granbull in RU is a mistake. Granbull was literally the only Gurdurr counter in NU and now that the Pokemon in gone Gurdurr is unchecked. Hopefully we see a Gurdurr ban soon"

I'll make sure to bring up a possible Gurdurr suspect since i am now on NU council! Or you could try other things that beat Gurdurr like Scyther, psychic Mesprit, barrier calm mind stored power Musharna, psychic defensive Xatu, etc :toast:
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Well see, the problem is that all of those Pokemon are easily beat with Knock Off (barring Scyther). And even then, unless Scyther is sent in immediately before Gurdurr starts using Bulk Up it won't do much once Gurdurr is +2. Also keep in mind Scyther is also 4x weak to Stealth Rock, which limits it's ability to force Gurdurr out of battle to only a few turns. The more I think about it Gurdurr's bulk, power, coverage, access to priority and access to stat boosts really makes me feel like there is enough to warrant at least a suspect test :]
 
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