Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: November 2015

[Antar]

Antar, Shaymin-Sky is doubles Ubers, not UU lol.

Gotta recheck the banlist files I'm using for the OMs...

 

[honchkrow]

"Granbull in RU is a mistake. Granbull was literally the only Gurdurr counter in NU and now that the Pokemon in gone Gurdurr is unchecked. Hopefully we see a Gurdurr ban soon"

I'll make sure to bring up a possible Gurdurr suspect since i am now on NU council! Or you could try other things that beat Gurdurr like Scyther, psychic Mesprit, barrier calm mind stored power Musharna, psychic defensive Xatu, etc

 

[Joe Career]

| 49 | Sylveon | 3.562% |
| 52 | Conkeldurr | 3.415% |
For the love of god, OU

| 48 | Altaria | 4.299% |
welp
| 54 | Togekiss | 3.279% |
close

| 36 | Ambipom | 7.338% |
| 45 | Typhlosion | 5.643% |
| 48 | Cinccino | 5.488% |
lol

| 83 | Hitmonchan | 0.989% |
uh, so once it dropped, it really went down in usage. it can happen RU!!

 

[Ununhexium]

HELL YES PRAISE FUCKING JESUS YEAH ZAPDOS IS FUCKING FREE HAHA FUCK YES IM SO FUCKING PUMPED

 

[fish anemometer]

Moving over gurdurr.... How are bulky/stall teams in nu supposed to beat sawk now that the only counter granbull is gone? Even gallade was easier to play around.

 

[Antar]

Ok, fixed the problems with the OM banlists. Lemme know (tag me) if there's anything else that looks funky.

 

[lockjaw]

Pawniard moved from NU to PU
Exeggutor moved from NU to PU
Bouffalant moved from NU to PU

 

[lighthouses]

Abomasnow moved from UU to RU
yes

 

[Swagodile]

So, what happened to make Pinsir and Medicham get enough usage to jump back to OU?

 

[Steakburgers]

Why'd ru need granbull? Why is ambi at 7 percent? Can we bann low ladder?
I'm not too sad about pinsir leaving but I'm gonna miss its good coverage as an sr lead
Give us back toad pls

 

[lighthouses]

What does granbull have to do with the low ladder buddy

 

[Swagodile]

Why'd ru need granbull?

Dragons and Scrafty.

What does granbull have to do with the low ladder buddy

He was referring to Ambipom.

 

[Ununhexium]

Also can we agree that Gothitelle going from PU to OU would somehow objectively be the funniest tier shift ever

 

[Magnemite]

this certainly wouldn't be funny...

| 55 | Politoed | 3.066% |

 

[Nightingales]

Now give us raikou, ou

 

[Rennyjesus]

PU is now an official tier, FWIW, but I don't see that having any affect on FU (please, someone do something about the naming).


FU
FU is an unofficial banlist based on the lowest-level metagame. It is not currently supported on any simulator, but since we have usage stats for PU, and since people have expressed interest in such a metagame, here is a proper banlist:

PU

Combined usage for PU
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| 1    | Roselia            | 23.562% |
| 2    | Machoke            | 18.742% |
| 3    | Zebstrika          | 15.817% |
| 4    | Floatzel           | 13.529% |
| 5    | Armaldo            | 12.528% |
| 6    | Stoutland          | 12.397% |
| 7    | Kadabra            | 11.806% |
| 8    | Golem              | 11.620% |
| 9    | Probopass          | 11.143% |
| 10   | Monferno           | 10.057% |
| 11   | Raichu             | 10.034% |
| 12   | Stunfisk           |  9.941% |
| 13   | Mr. Mime           |  9.424% |
| 14   | Pelipper           |  9.334% |
| 15   | Lickilicky         |  8.687% |
| 16   | Misdreavus         |  8.670% |
| 17   | Grumpig            |  8.615% |
| 18   | Rotom-Frost        |  8.212% |
| 19   | Dodrio             |  7.941% |
| 20   | Ursaring           |  7.730% |
| 21   | Torkoal            |  7.584% |
| 22   | Gourgeist-Super    |  7.435% |
| 23   | Relicanth          |  7.386% |
| 24   | Chatot             |  7.355% |
| 25   | Arbok              |  7.279% |
| 26   | Dusknoir           |  6.919% |
| 27   | Tangela            |  6.655% |
| 28   | Simipour           |  6.367% |
| 29   | Piloswine          |  6.360% |
| 30   | Avalugg            |  6.353% |
| 31   | Clefairy           |  6.249% |
| 32   | Jumpluff           |  6.127% |
| 33   | Mightyena          |  5.994% |
| 34   | Leafeon            |  5.954% |
| 35   | Rampardos          |  5.937% |
| 36   | Basculin           |  5.740% |
| 37   | Fraxure            |  5.688% |
| 38   | Politoed           |  5.637% |
| 39   | Purugly            |  5.631% |
| 40   | Marowak            |  5.558% |
| 41   | Solrock            |  5.483% |
| 42   | Rapidash           |  5.281% |
| 43   | Drifblim           |  5.115% |
| 44   | Beheeyem           |  4.980% |
| 45   | Regice             |  4.944% |
| 46   | Ninetales          |  4.671% |
| 47   | Articuno           |  4.630% |
| 48   | Electrode          |  4.514% |
| 49   | Flareon            |  4.494% |
| 50   | Leavanny           |  4.405% |
| 51   | Vullaby            |  4.394% |
| 52   | Ninjask            |  4.314% |
| 53   | Metang             |  4.285% |
| 54   | Vigoroth           |  4.080% |
| 55   | Golduck            |  4.036% |
| 56   | Linoone            |  3.970% |
| 57   | Lapras             |  3.904% |
| 58   | Luxray             |  3.862% |
| 59   | Volbeat            |  3.850% |
| 60   | Sawsbuck           |  3.783% |
| 61   | Kingler            |  3.764% |
| 62   | Gabite             |  3.749% |
| 63   | Meowstic           |  3.683% |
| 64   | Vibrava            |  3.452% |
| 65   | Swanna             |  3.431% |
| 66   | Gogoat             |  3.144% |
| 67   | Carbink            |  3.061% |
| 68   | Meganium           |  2.984% |
| 69   | Simisear           |  2.865% |
| 70   | Lumineon           |  2.845% |
| 71   | Swoobat            |  2.673% |
| 72   | Seaking            |  2.663% |
| 73   | Pikachu            |  2.529% |
| 74   | Frogadier          |  2.497% |
| 75   | Duosion            |  2.491% |
| 76   | Gigalith           |  2.431% |
| 77   | Glaceon            |  2.368% |
| 78   | Regigigas          |  2.325% |
| 79   | Electabuzz         |  2.318% |
| 80   | Bastiodon          |  2.309% |
| 81   | Slaking            |  2.279% |
| 82   | Dusclops           |  2.163% |
| 83   | Huntail            |  2.133% |
| 84   | Klang              |  2.014% |
| 85   | Servine            |  2.006% |
| 86   | Wartortle          |  1.960% |
| 87   | Ariados            |  1.875% |
| 88   | Ditto              |  1.790% |
| 89   | Heatmor            |  1.767% |
| 90   | Simisage           |  1.767% |
| 91   | Hippopotas         |  1.700% |
| 92   | Unfezant           |  1.604% |
| 93   | Persian            |  1.550% |
| 94   | Whiscash           |  1.474% |
| 95   | Wigglytuff         |  1.470% |
| 96   | Wormadam-Trash     |  1.449% |
| 97   | Krokorok           |  1.333% |
| 98   | Butterfree         |  1.324% |
| 99   | Magcargo           |  1.320% |
| 100  | Magmar             |  1.280% |
| 101  | Hypno              |  1.257% |
| 102  | Furfrou            |  1.238% |
| 103  | Beartic            |  1.210% |
| 104  | Whirlipede         |  1.189% |
| 105  | Kricketune         |  1.170% |
| 106  | Dragonair          |  1.166% |
| 107  | Lunatone           |  1.134% |
| 108  | Raticate           |  1.112% |
| 109  | Zweilous           |  1.087% |
| 110  | Murkrow            |  1.059% |
| 111  | Octillery          |  1.054% |
| 112  | Maractus           |  1.047% |
| 113  | Swalot             |  1.031% |
| 114  | Seviper            |  1.013% |
| 115  | Dewgong            |  0.999% |
| 116  | Onix               |  0.977% |
| 117  | Scraggy            |  0.958% |
| 118  | Emolga             |  0.949% |
| 119  | Noctowl            |  0.946% |
| 120  | Vanilluxe          |  0.927% |
| 121  | Dedenne            |  0.918% |
| 122  | Gourgeist-Small    |  0.907% |
| 123  | Walrein            |  0.883% |
| 124  | Weepinbell         |  0.878% |
| 125  | Quilladin          |  0.875% |
| 126  | Corsola            |  0.856% |
| 127  | Shedinja           |  0.855% |
| 128  | Croconaw           |  0.852% |
| 129  | Dunsparce          |  0.841% |
| 130  | Bellossom          |  0.801% |
| 131  | Honedge            |  0.786% |
| 132  | Pidgeot            |  0.754% |
| 133  | Tropius            |  0.683% |
| 134  | Bronzor            |  0.683% |
| 135  | Carnivine          |  0.681% |
| 136  | Venipede           |  0.660% |
| 137  | Lairon             |  0.660% |
| 138  | Girafarig          |  0.652% |
| 139  | Gourgeist-Large    |  0.646% |
| 140  | Masquerain         |  0.639% |
| 141  | Marshtomp          |  0.593% |
| 142  | Sunflora           |  0.585% |
| 143  | Bibarel            |  0.584% |
| 144  | Staryu             |  0.540% |
| 145  | Ivysaur            |  0.533% |
| 146  | Munchlax           |  0.532% |
| 147  | Spinda             |  0.522% |
| 148  | Fearow             |  0.508% |
| 149  | Chimecho           |  0.498% |
| 150  | Gourgeist          |  0.462% |
| 151  | Sliggoo            |  0.440% |
| 152  | Natu               |  0.435% |
| 153  | Furret             |  0.420% |
| 154  | Carracosta         |  0.417% |
| 155  | Mothim             |  0.411% |
| 156  | Sudowoodo          |  0.400% |
| 157  | Wailord            |  0.382% |
| 158  | Pignite            |  0.373% |
| 159  | Lampent            |  0.370% |
| 160  | Barbaracle         |  0.365% |
| 161  | Trapinch           |  0.357% |
| 162  | Dustox             |  0.354% |
| 163  | Parasect           |  0.351% |
| 164  | Delibird           |  0.345% |
| 165  | Chinchou           |  0.342% |
| 166  | Cottonee           |  0.332% |
| 167  | Phione             |  0.330% |
| 168  | Kabuto             |  0.310% |
| 169  | Meditite           |  0.303% |
| 170  | Mienfoo            |  0.298% |
| 171  | Tentacool          |  0.296% |
| 172  | Farfetch'd         |  0.293% |
| 173  | Quilava            |  0.287% |
| 174  | Eelektrik          |  0.281% |
| 175  | Porygon            |  0.280% |
| 176  | Illumise           |  0.278% |
| 177  | Pachirisu          |  0.278% |
| 178  | Archen             |  0.274% |
| 179  | Dwebble            |  0.268% |
| 180  | Omanyte            |  0.264% |
| 181  | Wormadam-Sandy     |  0.239% |
| 182  | Beautifly          |  0.237% |
| 183  | Sandshrew          |  0.235% |
| 184  | Nosepass           |  0.232% |
| 185  | Staravia           |  0.232% |
| 186  | Nidorino           |  0.222% |
| 187  | Vespiquen          |  0.221% |
| 188  | Gastly             |  0.208% |
| 189  | Stunky             |  0.203% |
| 190  | Castform           |  0.199% |
| 191  | Gloom              |  0.198% |
| 192  | Shelgon            |  0.197% |
| 193  | Stantler           |  0.194% |
| 194  | Braixen            |  0.188% |
| 195  | Seadra             |  0.181% |
| 196  | Lickitung          |  0.179% |
| 197  | Charmeleon         |  0.176% |
| 198  | Grotle             |  0.167% |
| 199  | Drilbur            |  0.165% |
| 200  | Pineco             |  0.156% |
| 201  | Marill             |  0.145% |
| 202  | Clamperl           |  0.144% |
| 203  | Palpitoad          |  0.142% |
| 204  | Delcatty           |  0.130% |
| 205  | Ledian             |  0.129% |
| 206  | Dewott             |  0.127% |
| 207  | Aipom              |  0.121% |
| 208  | Koffing            |  0.119% |
| 209  | Riolu              |  0.118% |
| 210  | Slowpoke           |  0.117% |
| 211  | Cherrim            |  0.114% |
| 212  | Minun              |  0.110% |
| 213  | Magnemite          |  0.109% |
| 214  | Zorua              |  0.108% |
| 215  | Trubbish           |  0.104% |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +

Banlist: Arbok, Armaldo, Articuno, Avalugg, Basculin, Beheeyem, Bouffalant, Chatot, Clefairy, Dodrio, Drifblim, Dusknoir, Electrode, Exeggutor, Flareon, Floatzel, Fraxure, Gabite, Golduck, Golem, Gorebyss, Gothitelle, Gourgeist-Super, Grumpig, Jumpluff, Kadabra, Kingler, Lapras, Leafeon, Leavanny, Lickilicky, Linoone, Luxray, Machoke, Marowak, Meowstic, Metang, Mightyena, Misdreavus, Monferno, Mr. Mime, Ninetales, Ninjask, Pawniard, Pelipper, Politoed, Probopass, Purugly, Raichu, Rampardos, Rapidash, Regice, Relicanth, Roselia, Rotom-Frost, Sawsbuck, Simipour, Solrock, Stoutland, Stunfisk, Swanna, Tangela, Torkoal, Ursaring, Vibrava, Vigoroth, Volbeat, Vullaby, Zebstrika

Hmmmm... I know that PU being official not necesarily has to affect the status of FU but... Couldn't FU take the ladder spot from PU on th other metagames section on PS?

I know FU community isn't as big as PU's but a ladder will give us a little chance to really improve our tier even if it keeps being unnoficial for a while...

PLEAAAAASEEEEE!

 

[Martin]

Now give us raikou, ou

Why would something so amazing drop .-.

Pawniard moved from NU to PU
Exeggutor moved from NU to PU
Bouffalant moved from NU to PU

Bouf is a slower Stoutland with Head Charge and Sap Sipper over Scrappy. I don't really see why that is what you opted to bold when Pawniard+Exeggutor is legit unwallable...

 

[Nightingales]

Why would something so amazing drop .-.

Bouf is a slower Stoutland with Head Charge and Sap Sipper over Scrappy. I don't really see why that is what you opted to bold when Pawniard+Exeggutor is legit unwallable...

we can do burdapam now, might as well do dogespam too

 

[Berks]

So how does houndour become LC UU but Hippopotas remains LC OU?

 

[The-CSchnepf]

"Granbull in RU is a mistake. Granbull was literally the only Gurdurr counter in NU and now that the Pokemon in gone Gurdurr is unchecked. Hopefully we see a Gurdurr ban soon"

I'll make sure to bring up a possible Gurdurr suspect since i am now on NU council! Or you could try other things that beat Gurdurr like Scyther, psychic Mesprit, barrier calm mind stored power Musharna, psychic defensive Xatu, etc

Well see, the problem is that all of those Pokemon are easily beat with Knock Off (barring Scyther). And even then, unless Scyther is sent in immediately before Gurdurr starts using Bulk Up it won't do much once Gurdurr is +2. Also keep in mind Scyther is also 4x weak to Stealth Rock, which limits it's ability to force Gurdurr out of battle to only a few turns. The more I think about it Gurdurr's bulk, power, coverage, access to priority and access to stat boosts really makes me feel like there is enough to warrant at least a suspect test :]

 

[Bughouse]

Deoxys-A and Darkrai remain in Doubles NU while Mawile rises to Doubles OU...

 

[Antar]

So how does houndour become LC UU but Hippopotas remains LC OU?

Houndour dropped last time, and Hippo has BEEN in LC UU...

 

[Kiyo]

PU got a bunch of drops and NU only lost mons... Enjoy the taste of your own medicine hehe

I'm making it a personal mission to get as many pu mons to rise as possible

 

[honchkrow]

I'm making it a personal mission to get as many pu mons to rise as possible

Let's start using the PU sample teams in NU y/y

 

[KlefkiHolder]

Tfw Mew and altaria are almost UU and Sylv is still OU...

Thank god we finally have an interesting shift though.