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Sets and Team Highlights - WEEK 5
thank you Aliss and SMB for the big help !
Victreebel
Victreebel
- Sleep Powder
- Razor Leaf
- Wrap
- Hyper Beam
Aliss vs. spies - Game 2 - Turn 17
Things are looking dire for our protagonist here. Slowbro's at +6, has killed off sleeping Jolteon (letting spies get another Sleep off later), and has paralyzed Starmie. Alice has revealed Lead Jolteon, Starmie, and non-Counter Sing Chansey, her unrevealed (sans Snorlax and Tauros) is most likely Cloyster because of the Snorlax weakness, and the common Cloy/Mie/Jolt composition in the current metagame. However, these structures hardly ever lead Jolteon for this exact scenario: to not lose to Slowbro after sacking Jolteon to sleep. The last certainly isn't Alakazam. It could be Gengar, but then you might just autolose to Earthquake Snorlax. Rhydon is also on the game.
spies could theoretically win the game straight up with their Slowbro, or do enough damage where the match is out of reach. Cloyster would have to Explode for even a chance to kill, while Slowbro can easily take on both Tauros and Snorlax. However, to the surprise of everyone, Aliss reveals Victreebel. Slowbro is immediately forced out, as its in range of Razor Leaf, and never gets a chance to sweep. Aliss also could have brought Victreebel back in later to deal with Slowbro (Turns 44-58) if she didn't decide to fish for crits with her Tauros. While she couldn't clutch out the win, it could have been a clean 6-0 if Alice didn't have a Pokemon in the back that has only three uses so far in SPL.
H I G H L I G H T T E A M
SMB vs. Serpi - Game 2
Through five weeks of SPL gaming, the most common six has been Starmie / Alakazam / Exeggutor / Snorlax / Chansey / Tauros at 13 total uses. On this team, SMB replaced Alakazam with Zapdos, which was only the second time this combinations been used.
A potential reason for using Zapdos could have been to counteract the rising Slowbro. It's up to 11th in overall usage and has the highest win percentage of any Pokemon. It does well against common RBY trends such as passive Snorlax, mono Ice Beam Chansey, and the (initial) lack of Exeggutor. SMB trades Alakazam's speed (notably outspeeding Tauros) for Zapdos's better Slowbro matchup, along with some other abilities.
When asked about his team, SMB said he brought Zapdos this week to switch up his playstyle since he doesn't use it often. RBY Players typically stick to using Jolteon or Zapdos, and SMB has been known to play the former. While the electric dog is more versatile, Zapdos offers cleaning potential and being able to put pressure on resting Pokemon. While it can typically only fill these roles effectively, it's great at its job. It's hard to switch into unless you're running Jolteon or Rhydon, while teams often carry 1-3 decent Alakazams switch-ins.
Game 2 of SMB vs. Serpi highlights Zapdos's ability to sweep late game. Starting at Turn 33, Zapdos is able to take down a full health Tauros, a weakened Alakazam, a sleeping Chansey, and a healthy Cloyster with a lucky paralysis to win the game (and set) for SMB. While SMB didn't specifically run Zapdos as a stronger check to Slowbro, it will still be interesting if players lean more on electrics to deal with the rising
USAGE STATS TRENDS
1. Starmie and Exeggutor had 17 and 16 uses respectively, the closest it's been so far.
2.
Alakazam lead the week in Lead usage at 8 total (Starmie only had 6) with an impressive 75% winrate. Alakazam and Starmie dominated lead usage, and all other options were minimally used with poor winrates.
3.
Following up, Jynx and Gengar had only 4 uses combined (all from the lead spot) and only 1 win.
thank you Aliss and SMB for the big help !
Victreebel
Victreebel
- Sleep Powder
- Razor Leaf
- Wrap
- Hyper Beam
Aliss vs. spies - Game 2 - Turn 17
Things are looking dire for our protagonist here. Slowbro's at +6, has killed off sleeping Jolteon (letting spies get another Sleep off later), and has paralyzed Starmie. Alice has revealed Lead Jolteon, Starmie, and non-Counter Sing Chansey, her unrevealed (sans Snorlax and Tauros) is most likely Cloyster because of the Snorlax weakness, and the common Cloy/Mie/Jolt composition in the current metagame. However, these structures hardly ever lead Jolteon for this exact scenario: to not lose to Slowbro after sacking Jolteon to sleep. The last certainly isn't Alakazam. It could be Gengar, but then you might just autolose to Earthquake Snorlax. Rhydon is also on the game.
spies could theoretically win the game straight up with their Slowbro, or do enough damage where the match is out of reach. Cloyster would have to Explode for even a chance to kill, while Slowbro can easily take on both Tauros and Snorlax. However, to the surprise of everyone, Aliss reveals Victreebel. Slowbro is immediately forced out, as its in range of Razor Leaf, and never gets a chance to sweep. Aliss also could have brought Victreebel back in later to deal with Slowbro (Turns 44-58) if she didn't decide to fish for crits with her Tauros. While she couldn't clutch out the win, it could have been a clean 6-0 if Alice didn't have a Pokemon in the back that has only three uses so far in SPL.
H I G H L I G H T T E A M
SMB vs. Serpi - Game 2
Through five weeks of SPL gaming, the most common six has been Starmie / Alakazam / Exeggutor / Snorlax / Chansey / Tauros at 13 total uses. On this team, SMB replaced Alakazam with Zapdos, which was only the second time this combinations been used.
A potential reason for using Zapdos could have been to counteract the rising Slowbro. It's up to 11th in overall usage and has the highest win percentage of any Pokemon. It does well against common RBY trends such as passive Snorlax, mono Ice Beam Chansey, and the (initial) lack of Exeggutor. SMB trades Alakazam's speed (notably outspeeding Tauros) for Zapdos's better Slowbro matchup, along with some other abilities.
When asked about his team, SMB said he brought Zapdos this week to switch up his playstyle since he doesn't use it often. RBY Players typically stick to using Jolteon or Zapdos, and SMB has been known to play the former. While the electric dog is more versatile, Zapdos offers cleaning potential and being able to put pressure on resting Pokemon. While it can typically only fill these roles effectively, it's great at its job. It's hard to switch into unless you're running Jolteon or Rhydon, while teams often carry 1-3 decent Alakazams switch-ins.
Game 2 of SMB vs. Serpi highlights Zapdos's ability to sweep late game. Starting at Turn 33, Zapdos is able to take down a full health Tauros, a weakened Alakazam, a sleeping Chansey, and a healthy Cloyster with a lucky paralysis to win the game (and set) for SMB. While SMB didn't specifically run Zapdos as a stronger check to Slowbro, it will still be interesting if players lean more on electrics to deal with the rising
USAGE STATS TRENDS
1.
Starmie and Exeggutor had 17 and 16 uses respectively, the closest it's been so far.2.
Alakazam lead the week in Lead usage at 8 total (Starmie only had 6) with an impressive 75% winrate. Alakazam and Starmie dominated lead usage, and all other options were minimally used with poor winrates.3.
Following up, Jynx and Gengar had only 4 uses combined (all from the lead spot) and only 1 win.
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Moves and Teammates | Combos | Leads
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Chansey | 24 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 1 | Snorlax | 24 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 1 | Tauros | 24 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 4 | Starmie | 17 | 70.83% | 47.06% |
| 5 | Alakazam | 10 | 41.67% | 60.00% |
| 6 | Exeggutor | 9 | 37.50% | 88.89% |
| 7 | Jynx | 8 | 33.33% | 37.50% |
| 8 | Zapdos | 6 | 25.00% | 50.00% |
| 8 | Rhydon | 6 | 25.00% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Gengar | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 11 | Articuno | 4 | 16.67% | 25.00% |
| 12 | Slowbro | 2 | 8.33% | 50.00% |
| 12 | Jolteon | 2 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 14 | Lapras | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 14 | Moltres | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 14 | Victreebel | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
Moves and Teammates | Combos | Leads
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Snorlax | 148 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Chansey | 146 | 98.65% | 50.68% |
| 3 | Tauros | 145 | 97.97% | 48.97% |
| 4 | Starmie | 116 | 78.38% | 48.28% |
| 5 | Exeggutor | 76 | 51.35% | 59.21% |
| 6 | Alakazam | 60 | 40.54% | 55.00% |
| 7 | Rhydon | 38 | 25.68% | 50.00% |
| 8 | Jynx | 36 | 24.32% | 41.67% |
| 9 | Jolteon | 26 | 17.57% | 38.46% |
| 10 | Gengar | 18 | 12.16% | 38.89% |
| 11 | Slowbro | 17 | 11.49% | 64.71% |
| 12 | Cloyster | 16 | 10.81% | 56.25% |
| 12 | Zapdos | 16 | 10.81% | 50.00% |
| 14 | Lapras | 10 | 6.76% | 40.00% |
| 15 | Articuno | 6 | 4.05% | 33.33% |
| 16 | Victreebel | 5 | 3.38% | 20.00% |
| 17 | Moltres | 1 | 0.68% | 0.00% |
| 17 | Dragonite | 1 | 0.68% | 0.00% |
| 17 | Sandslash | 1 | 0.68% | 0.00% |- Missing 1 Pokemon from TIBA.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from SPIESC.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from HAYBURNER.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from HAYBURNER.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from FUYURI.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from SMB.
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Week 7! (all times are EST / GMT -5)
- [RAI] Aliss vs SMB [WOL] - G1 / G2 / G3
- [RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA] - G1 / G2 / G3
- [CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY] - G1 / G2 / G3
- [SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR] - G1 / G2 / G3
- [BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG] - G1 / G2 / G3
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[RAI] Aliss vs SMB [WOL]
[RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
[CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
[SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
[BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
[RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
[CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
[SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
[BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
[RAI] Aliss vs SMB [WOL]
[RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
[CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
[SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
[BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
[RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
[CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
[SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
[BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
hi gsc here with all the zapdoses sup10 Zapdoses in Weeks 1-5, 6 Zapdoses in Week 6
I'm all for people suddenly realizing that this pokemon is broken but this is a bit odd
[RAI] Aliss vs SMB [WOL]
[RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
[CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
[SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
[BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
[RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
[CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
[SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
[BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
Plague von Karma
Banned deucer.
- [RAI] Aliss vs SMB [WOL]
- [RUI] Heroic Troller vs Kiichikos [SHA]
- [CLA] rozes vs Nails [CRY]
- [SCO] Serpi vs spies [TYR]
- [BIG] Hayburner vs SadisticNarwhal [TIG]
Sets and Team Highlights - WEEK 6
thank you SMB for the help!
Lead Jolteon
Jolteon
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave
- Pin Missle
Nails vs. Aliss - Game 2 - Turn 1
Lead Jolteon has seen some SPL usage (8 times in 6 weeks) and was even used all the way back in Week 1 by Kiichikos. The goal of Lead Jolteon is to snipe opposing Starmie (~33% of leads in SPL have been Starmie; have actually got the matchup 4/8 times used), spread Paralysis for partners that appreciate it (SMB and Aliss both used Lead Jolteon to support Victreebel, replays found here and here) and punish Turn 1 Exeggutor switch-ins with Pin Missle.
As we see in this match between SMB and Heroic Troller, the former is able to paralyze Exeggutor and do about 1/3 before being hit with Sleep Powder through paralysis (~56% odds). Here we see Aliss do over half to Exeggutor before being put to sleep. Kiichikos is able to do around half to Nails's Chansey and paralyze it before it's stopped dead in its tracks by Rhydon in this match.
This week, Nails played his Lead Jolteon differently from everyone else by immediately switching to Exeggutor Turn 2 on Aliss's Rhydon. Based on previous Jolteon vs. Starmie lead matchups, the most common switch-ins are Exeggutor and Chansey, or Rhydon if they have it. Doubling to Exeggutor covers the last two extremely well, getting sleep off as soon as possible is always very important in RBY, but shaky against the common Exeggutor switch-in. Watching Aliss's Week 5 SPL games, I noticed that she only used one Exeggutor in her three games, and it was paired with Rhydon. I wonder if Nails had a similar thought process -- if she's running Exeggutor she's also probably running Rhydon so she'll go that instead, and if no Exeggutor I can catch the Chansey - which led to him doubling into his own Exeggutor Turn 2.
no highlight team :(
[7:17 PM] emma: dang
[7:17 PM] emma: i saw SMB's g1 and g2 teams
[7:17 PM] emma: and was like wow these are interesting, i could highlight these
[7:17 PM] emma: turns out i highlighted both sets of 6 already
[7:17 PM] emma: how do i do hl teams when there are like 12 viable pokemon
[7:17 PM] emma: :pain:
USAGE STATS TRENDS
1. Jynx was the most popular lead this week at 8 uses, while Starmie was only at four and outpaced by both Alakazam and Gengar. Will we see a rise in Gengar usage if Jynx is the lead queen?
2. Alakazam surpassed Exeggutor in usage (10 uses to 9) but the latter won eight of its nine appearances.
3.
Articuno had 4 uses this week after having two total in Weeks 1-5, although one was Hyogafodex using Triple Birds.
thank you SMB for the help!
Lead Jolteon
Jolteon
- Thunderbolt
- Double Kick
- Thunder Wave
- Pin Missle
Nails vs. Aliss - Game 2 - Turn 1
Lead Jolteon has seen some SPL usage (8 times in 6 weeks) and was even used all the way back in Week 1 by Kiichikos. The goal of Lead Jolteon is to snipe opposing Starmie (~33% of leads in SPL have been Starmie; have actually got the matchup 4/8 times used), spread Paralysis for partners that appreciate it (SMB and Aliss both used Lead Jolteon to support Victreebel, replays found here and here) and punish Turn 1 Exeggutor switch-ins with Pin Missle.
As we see in this match between SMB and Heroic Troller, the former is able to paralyze Exeggutor and do about 1/3 before being hit with Sleep Powder through paralysis (~56% odds). Here we see Aliss do over half to Exeggutor before being put to sleep. Kiichikos is able to do around half to Nails's Chansey and paralyze it before it's stopped dead in its tracks by Rhydon in this match.
This week, Nails played his Lead Jolteon differently from everyone else by immediately switching to Exeggutor Turn 2 on Aliss's Rhydon. Based on previous Jolteon vs. Starmie lead matchups, the most common switch-ins are Exeggutor and Chansey, or Rhydon if they have it. Doubling to Exeggutor covers the last two extremely well, getting sleep off as soon as possible is always very important in RBY, but shaky against the common Exeggutor switch-in. Watching Aliss's Week 5 SPL games, I noticed that she only used one Exeggutor in her three games, and it was paired with Rhydon. I wonder if Nails had a similar thought process -- if she's running Exeggutor she's also probably running Rhydon so she'll go that instead, and if no Exeggutor I can catch the Chansey - which led to him doubling into his own Exeggutor Turn 2.
no highlight team :(
[7:17 PM] emma: dang
[7:17 PM] emma: i saw SMB's g1 and g2 teams
[7:17 PM] emma: and was like wow these are interesting, i could highlight these
[7:17 PM] emma: turns out i highlighted both sets of 6 already
[7:17 PM] emma: how do i do hl teams when there are like 12 viable pokemon
[7:17 PM] emma: :pain:
USAGE STATS TRENDS
1.
Jynx was the most popular lead this week at 8 uses, while Starmie was only at four and outpaced by both Alakazam and Gengar. Will we see a rise in Gengar usage if Jynx is the lead queen?2.
Alakazam surpassed Exeggutor in usage (10 uses to 9) but the latter won eight of its nine appearances.3.
Articuno had 4 uses this week after having two total in Weeks 1-5, although one was Hyogafodex using Triple Birds.
Moves and Teammates | Combos | Leads
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Chansey | 22 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 1 | Snorlax | 22 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 3 | Tauros | 21 | 95.45% | 47.62% |
| 4 | Starmie | 17 | 77.27% | 47.06% |
| 5 | Exeggutor | 12 | 54.55% | 41.67% |
| 6 | Alakazam | 9 | 40.91% | 33.33% |
| 7 | Jynx | 6 | 27.27% | 50.00% |
| 7 | Zapdos | 6 | 27.27% | 16.67% |
| 9 | Cloyster | 4 | 18.18% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Gengar | 3 | 13.64% | 66.67% |
| 10 | Jolteon | 3 | 13.64% | 66.67% |
| 12 | Rhydon | 2 | 9.09% | 100.00% |
| 12 | Porygon | 2 | 9.09% | 100.00% |
| 12 | Articuno | 2 | 9.09% | 50.00% |- Missing 1 Pokemon from NAILS
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Moves and Teammates | Combos | Leads
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Snorlax | 170 | 100.00% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Chansey | 168 | 98.82% | 50.60% |
| 3 | Tauros | 166 | 97.65% | 48.80% |
| 4 | Starmie | 133 | 78.24% | 48.12% |
| 5 | Exeggutor | 88 | 51.76% | 56.82% |
| 6 | Alakazam | 69 | 40.59% | 52.17% |
| 7 | Jynx | 42 | 24.71% | 42.86% |
| 8 | Rhydon | 40 | 23.53% | 52.50% |
| 9 | Jolteon | 29 | 17.06% | 41.38% |
| 10 | Zapdos | 22 | 12.94% | 40.91% |
| 11 | Gengar | 21 | 12.35% | 42.86% |
| 12 | Cloyster | 20 | 11.76% | 65.00% |
| 13 | Slowbro | 17 | 10.00% | 64.71% |
| 14 | Lapras | 10 | 5.88% | 40.00% |
| 15 | Articuno | 8 | 4.71% | 37.50% |
| 16 | Victreebel | 5 | 2.94% | 20.00% |
| 17 | Porygon | 2 | 1.18% | 100.00% |
| 18 | Dragonite | 1 | 0.59% | 0.00% |
| 18 | Sandslash | 1 | 0.59% | 0.00% |
| 18 | Moltres | 1 | 0.59% | 0.00% |- Missing 1 Pokemon from NAILS .
- Missing 1 Pokemon from TIBA.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from SPIESC.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from HAYBURNER.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from HAYBURNER.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from FUYURI.
- Missing 1 Pokemon from SMB.
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