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STAB Explosion (Lickilicky Discussion)

I want to say before I start that I think the Lickilicky Analysis is bullshit
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Thanks for saying something I put work into is "bullshit" just because I didn't include something you admit that is a gimmick, I appreciate it.
 
I like this set (yes he leads) b/c no body expects it for a 2v2 battle (other pokemon needs to be a ghost)... but idk if it is the best...

Lickylicky@Cutsap etc. etc.
252 HP/129 ATK/129 SP ATK
Endure/Substitute (for those Sandstormers)
Swords Dance
Shadow Ball
Explosion

SD->Endure->BOOM!!!

So umm... whaddya think?
 
Mekkah said:
Thanks for saying something I put work into is "bullshit" just because I didn't include something you admit that is a gimmick, I appreciate it.
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I admit a few are gimmicks, but not all of them. I was being honest in my opinion that it really didn't touch on Lickilicky's multitude of options.

Explosion and a ghost. That's original, twilight... Anyone fighting you who doesn't expect it to explode in a 2v2 battle needs to learn the game. I'm not being harsh, but honestly, Explosion is the most whored tactic in 2v2.
 
actually EQ is...

Actually, I was talking about shadow ball for ghosts... people switch in then to deal with Explosion (but thats obvious)

Maybe Earthquake paired with LevGhost instead of Shadow Ball would take out Steelix. and I can Max attack... idk...
 
Boa1891 said:
I admit a few are gimmicks, but not all of them. I was being honest in my opinion that it really didn't touch on Lickilicky's multitude of options.

Explosion and a ghost. That's original, twilight... Anyone fighting you who doesn't expect it to explode in a 2v2 battle needs to learn the game. I'm not being harsh, but honestly, Explosion is the most whored tactic in 2v2.
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I'll have to agree with Boa. Even then, most of the time it is protect + explosion that is whored. Much less predictable than having an exploder + ghost on the field. (Duh, what are you about to do?) I figure that someone should find a pokemon who can feint + explosion to take advantage of when the opponent tries to outpredict your explosions... but I doubt one exists.

Then again, Lickilicky can always curse up the first turn, to try and make protect or switching out a bad idea.
 
For the Rollout set, I suggest Curse over Defense Curl. That way, you'll eventually x4 ur atk instead of x2.
Also, Lickilily "Me First" works if it attacks first: wouldn't that make it a viable option on a Trick Room team?
I really love your sets, though. This should be used over the analysis.

Ultimate Final Weapon
Licky @ Leftovers/Metronome/Wide Lens
+Atk, Def, Sp.Def -Sp. Atk
Curse
Amnesia
Rollout
Rest

I used this exact same set on my Snorlax in Advance, and it seemed to work well
I don't know.
Also, SD+Explosion+STAB+Life Orb=OHKO on anything. Period
 
Lickilicky @ Leftovers
252Hp / 160Atk / 98 Sp.D
Brave
Knock Off
Explosion
Hammer Arm
Power Whip / Gyro Ball / Counter / Shadow Ball / Fire Blast

Hey guys! I've been testing this loads on Wi-Fi recently and have come to the conclusion that it makes a FANTASTIC Blissey counter :naughty:

Blissey hates having her lefties knocked off, then Hammer Arm on Max Hp, Max Def Bold Blissey (Unlikely anyway) is 42.02% - 49.44%; a very easy 3HKO.

Brave because Lickilicky doesn't care about outspeeding much and allows you to use a special attack if you wish. This also means Licki isn't caring too much about being Thunder Waved by Bliss.
Ice Beam from 104 Sp. A Bliss onto this Licki is 13.92% - 16.51% and after a CM it's 20.75% - 24.53%; still not even a 4HKO :p

Seismic Toss is a (lol) 6HKO assuming she isn't softboiled'ing every other turn.

Pretty much the only weapon she has against you is counter but that won't KO you with max HP so you can still just splode on her.

Given all this, she'll very likely be switching meaning if you're lucky you can knock off an incoming choice item or something.

Last slot as always is filler. I've been having great fun with Power whip lately, beating down on bulky waters and grounds trying to wall me. Sure that gives him skarm issues, but that's what Magnezone was invented for, wasn't it?

On a side note, I've also been having great fun with custap berry + explosion. Licki really misses the leftovers but nothing beats the surprise of your opponent's revenge killer coming in for the KO and you obliterating them with a pink, blubbery mushroom cloud.

Does anyone know what the priority modifier of Custap is? (it would suck if, say, Ice Shard Weavile could trump it).
 
Explosion seems like a really risky move, since your opponent could just switch in a Ghost-type Pokemon and evade the attack. Here's something I just came up with to try to get around that problem.

Lickilicky @ Iron Orb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Trait: Own Tempo
Brave Nature
-Hammer Arm/Curse
-Gyro Ball
-Wrap
-Explosion

Lickilicky @ Grip Claw
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Trait: Own Tempo
Adamant Nature
-Defense Curl
-Wrap
-Rollout
-Explosion

If you manage to Wrap something you don't want to fight, then you can just switch. Also, with the second set, you can make sure that your target doesn't try to escape from Rollout, as well.
 
Just for clarification Partial traps (wrap,fire spin) keep the opponent out as long as the attack is up, but the opponent can still Roar/WW away licky correct?
 
I haven't seen a single Aggron in OU on Shoddy Battle yet. Not to mention you can just switch in something with a ground or fighting attack to kill him. Sure, it's a relevant point if the opponent actually has an Aggron, but honestly, how many opponents have Aggron? =/
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
Well how many people actually use Lickitung to be scared of?
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Well, considering that this is a Lickilicky discussion, and that we're discussing a Lickilicky's explosion against an Aggron, let's just assume that one of the teams has a Lickilicky.

You do have a point, I'll admit. I've only seen one Lickilicky on Shoddy so far. However, in the context that someone does in fact have a Lickilicky with Explosion (which should be the assumption considering that's what we're discussing), almost nothing will survive it (except in that rare case where the opponent has an Aggron).
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
If it's CB, it OBVIOUSLY cannot have an SD or Life Orb, therefore being way weaker. Now if you want to bring up 'what if it was baton passed' well what if I +6 every stat to a feebas?
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Max HP max Sp. Def Calm Feebas scores 114.68 in Sp. Def tiers. With +6 (3 amnesias), it gets a 14.54 boost to its Sp. Def tier, giving it a Sp. Def tier of 129.22.

It scores 103.11 in Physical Defense tiers with that EV spread. With the 14.54 boost, it scores 117.61 in Physical Defenses.

252/252 Bold Blissey has a Sp. Def tier of 128.99 and a Physical Defense of ~120.

So baton passing 3 Barriers, 3 amnesias, and so forth to Feebas will make it weaker than Blissey in physical defenses, and about the same Sp. Def as Blissey.

What I'm trying to say is... A +6 in both defensive stats on Feebas is essentially a weak blissey with a crappy movepool. I'd rather just switch to blissey.
 
I was making a Trick Room team (it's not even done on paper) and wanted to use a Lickilicky in it and was going to try to go with this set.

Lickilicky @ that special berry*(cutsap) I don't have, puts you first next turn. Otherwise a focus sash or something.
Brave nature with 252 DE / 252 Sp. DE / 4 HP (Speed IV 0)
Sword dance
Explosion
Me first / Hammer arm
Hammer arm / Power whip.

I like Power whip & Me first, but they aren't that reliable or useful on Lickilicky, because of it's typing I thought. How many Pokémon have fighting attacks while weak to those? Besides that it's fun to be able to defeat dragons, but that shouldn't be the main argument here.

Explosion is a must, you just have too. No matter how predictable it is.
I just want to sword dance so people expect it less ánd have the oppurtonity to really blast even some Pokémon like steelix and / or shuckle if that's possible. I'm not planning to sweep or anything. That will not work.

Hammer arm is just very decent and can make me slower then some random rhyperior or slowbro/king. That sounds funny 'slowbroking'.

It might seem strange EVs, but I'm not good at those, but since I have an attack boosting nature & sword dance, I thought it would be useful to have to possiblity to switch in and out in some situations.

(random musing about lickilicky)
Lickilicky has some very daring and almost impossible to set-up combo's as well. I mean he has belly drum explosion if he wants. It doesn't make sense to do belly drum, which is risky, to just blow up the next turn, but maybe something weird as:

Lickilicky @ shell bell
Belly drum
explosion
hammer arm
Fling?

mmm, It's good to know it that it can only do a physical psychic attack through Fling, if I'm correct.
Even more absurd and totally useless (moveset only)

substitute
rest
sleep talk
Explosion

Yeah, it's useless, but they won't see that explosion coming while you're asleep. That is, if you really do sleep talk > explosion.
Meanwhile you can just stall out for a while. It's highly situational and not to say obscure and I repeat mildly unuseful. It would make me want to see it happen and see the reaction of both players. I mean a sleeping Pokémon blowing up the entire stage! Oh, he is just asleep: BOOM. How's that for a silent sleeper? At least he doesn't snore!

Ah well, I'd better go to bed and dream on I guess.....

What did I do wrong? I just can't seem to delete the text under this:

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If im correct Snorelax and Miltank gain selfdestruct trhuogh pokemon XD move tutor. Though it might not be explosion its still almost as powerful seeing that snorlax has more attack stat.
 
jujuomi said:
If im correct Snorelax and Miltank gain selfdestruct trhuogh pokemon XD move tutor. Though it might not be explosion its still almost as powerful seeing that snorlax has more attack stat.
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This has been said before, throughout the thread. However, Lickilicky's Explosion is CONSIDERABLY stronger than Snorlax's Selfdestruct off the bat, then factor in that Snorlax runs Defensive EV's and relies on Curse to boost his ATK, and Licki gets Swords Dance you'd realise that they dont deserve the comparison.

Also, why would you bump a thread that's been dormant since September, and even then was revived from August!
 
StrangerDanger said:
This has been said before, throughout the thread. However, Lickilicky's Explosion is CONSIDERABLY stronger than Snorlax's Selfdestruct off the bat, then factor in that Snorlax runs Defensive EV's and relies on Curse to boost his ATK, and Licki gets Swords Dance you'd realise that they dont deserve the comparison.

Also, why would you bump a thread that's been dormant since September, and even then was revived from August!
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The only thing that Miltank might have is on shoddy- if you can get Scrappy and SelfDestruct- It hit ghosts, but its really an illegal combination
 
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