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[Standard] Fallout 3 Mafia - Game Over! UncleSam and Flamestrike Win!

Rofl btw billy has resorted to trolling me on IRC rather than making coherent points. You tell me if this is a man actually interested in playing mafia or a man who is looking to troll because he has been found out as mafia:
-billymills- hi
<billymills> unclesam
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* billymills does not accept CTCPs
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* billymills does not accept CTCPs
* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..>
mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*.aol.com
types - types of data to ignore, one or all of:
PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL
options - NOSAVE, QUIET
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* billymills does not accept CTCPs
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* [billymills] (~billy@the.eternal.scholar): billy mills
* [billymills] is a registered nick
* [billymills] #freemobile +#Fallout3 &#warau +#fluodome
* [billymills] blizzard.nl.eu.synirc.net :Thou shalt not ping before any graven server
* [billymills] End of WHOIS list.
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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-billymills- hi
* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
* billymills does not accept CTCPs
<billymills> unclesam
~billy@the.eternal.scholar added to ignore list.
-billymills- hi
* billymills does not accept CTCPs
* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
* billymills does not accept CTCPs
<billymills> unclesam
-billymills- hi
* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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* Received a CTCP VERSION from billymills
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Seriously guys billy is caught and he knows it. Ultra porygon is just a mafia who, even according to billy, if probably mafia.
 
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Hey billy having fun still faking that evidence?

It must be a lot of work faking that shit cause it's taken you an hour and a half to post...

I, in the meantime, posted my evidence immediately.
 
Fair enough smashlloyd.

I have plenty of evidence without it.

billy, on the other hand, has quite colorful pictures backing up his points...

Not much evidence but REALLY colorful pictures.

But hey I'm "VERY shady" right? Why listen to facts when spoken by me when you can listen to a baseless and unproven dungpile from billy over there.
 
Lynch Unclesam (edit: bold removed)

everyone that votes for billy is making a huge mistake

why would he tell unclesam, who is almost definitely mafia, the exact details about any role or paste the role pm? that woud be just moronic. bill's behaviour in this log is perfectly justified given the circumstances

edit: the only notable people with radio broadcasts in fallout3 are three dog (the least evil character in the game) and john henry eden (evil, but also dead and not the broadcaster in quesstion) so i cant imagine any circumstance in which billy can be evil - the only possibilities are, that uncle and billy are both good (highly unlikely) or that billy is good and unclesam is evil - which everyone should place their bets on
 
That's funny. With all the "Objection is obvious mafia" talk last night, I would have expected UncleSam to try to lynch me. Oh well, let's see what the arguments are like.

EDIT: Don't mind me, I'm just trying to work things out.
 
lambasto said:
Lynch Unclesam

everyone that votes for billy is making a huge mistake

why would he tell unclesam, who is almost definitely mafia, the exact details about any role or paste the role pm? that woud be just moronic. bill's behaviour in this log is perfectly justified given the circumstances

edit: the only notable people with radio broadcasts in fallout3 are three dog (the least evil character in the game) and john henry eden (evil, but also dead and not the broadcaster in quesstion) so i cant imagine any circumstance in which billy can be evil - the only possibilities are, that uncle and billy are both good (highly unlikely) or that billy is good and unclesam is evil - which everyone should place their bets on
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OK, inaccuracies first:
-How the fuck am I "almost definitely mafia" when I led a lynch on one mafia faction and got counterrolled by a member of the other mafia faction? Even billy admits I am highly UNlikely to be mafia at this point.
-The "exact details" don't much matter when he says there is a Post Restrictor and a Vig: additionally, he is giving these results out via PM. What are the odds they don't get back to the mafia ANYWAY? Except, oh right, he couldn't provide them when they were called for, proving that he is faking them (He STILL hasn't provided them though...)
-billy's behavior in the log is COMPLETELY unjustified for the variety of reasons I have provided: rather than trust the dude he KNOWS isn't mafia, he tries to lynch him off
-Additionally, VERY clean role names have turned out to be mafia before; a role name does not make one clean, and in this case, the overwhelming evidence against billymills (He has been acting like a mafia this whole damn game and getting away with it because of "his role name") trumps any role name

Now then, what you glazed over very conveniently:
-There is the EXACT SAME REWARD to lynching me or billy: dead bad man OR a cleaned man if we are clean. However, there is a MUCH higher risk involved with lynching me. There is no situation or probibility in which case lynching me is more beneficial than lynching billymills, who is a useless announcer.
For heaven's sake, let's assume I am mafia and he is village announcer for a second:
-Lynching me gives one dead mafia
-Lynching him provides us with a certain mafia AND a 100% cleaned village leader in exchange for a completely useless announcer
Now, this is the ABSOLUTELY WORST CASE SCENARIO to lynching billymills, and it is STILL more beneficial than the BEST CAS SCENARIO to lynching me.
-The fact that billy tried to lynch me yesterday instead of a proven mafia (who he admitted was proven) purely in order to get claims. Is that villager behavior?

Also, I am well aware you and shade are only voting me because either you are mafia or don't like me. I mean, for god's sake people look at shade's reasoning or billy's and tell me you will listen to them over the simple possibilities of outcomes here.
 
UncleSam said:
OK, inaccuracies first:
-How the fuck am I "almost definitely mafia" when I led a lynch on one mafia faction and got counterrolled by a member of the other mafia faction? Even billy admits I am highly UNlikely to be mafia at this point.

if billy thought it was unlikely you are mafia he wouldnt lynch you

-The "exact details" don't much matter when he says there is a Post Restrictor and a Vig: additionally, he is giving these results out via PM. What are the odds they don't get back to the mafia ANYWAY? Except, oh right, he couldn't provide them when they were called for, proving that he is faking them (He STILL hasn't provided them though...)

again, why would he provide them to an untrusted man? id rather kneecap myself than give you the vig or even most useless pm

-billy's behavior in the log is COMPLETELY unjustified for the variety of reasons I have provided: rather than trust the dude he KNOWS isn't mafia, he tries to lynch him off

again, there is no reason to think you are not enclave or even neutral at this point, what is this decisive proof you assuem everyone should be aware of? (sacrificing an own team member to gain trust isnt unheard of either)

-Additionally, VERY clean role names have turned out to be mafia before; a role name does not make one clean, and in this case, the overwhelming evidence against billymills (He has been acting like a mafia this whole damn game and getting away with it because of "his role name") trumps any role name

it isnt about the role name per se - its about the fact that the announce is clearly labeled a radio broadcast which can only be two men - eden or three dog. eden is dead and three dog is the greatest anti-enclave man in the game and also isnt a creature so there is literally no reason at all not to believe he is clean

Now then, what you glazed over very conveniently:
-There is the EXACT SAME REWARD to lynching me or billy: dead bad man OR a cleaned man if we are clean. However, there is a MUCH higher risk involved with lynching me. There is no situation or probibility in which case lynching me is more beneficial than lynching billymills, who is a useless announcer.
For heaven's sake, let's assume I am mafia and he is village announcer for a second:
-Lynching me gives one dead mafia

which is why i am going to do it!

-Lynching him provides us with a certain mafia AND a 100% cleaned village leader in exchange for a completely useless announcer
Now, this is the ABSOLUTELY WORST CASE SCENARIO to lynching billymills, and it is STILL more beneficial than the BEST CAS SCENARIO to lynching me.

how does you lynching a villager (or even a mafia if he is one, which he is not) clean you 100%?

-The fact that billy tried to lynch me yesterday instead of a proven mafia (who he admitted was proven) purely in order to get claims. Is that villager behavior?

the plan was to make you shut up about leading, get your reaction and get leverage so you step back, never to actually hammer you. yes that is a legit village technique - and it did what he wanted - showing very mafiaesque behaviour, instead of something expected from a misaccused villager

Also, I am well aware you and shade are only voting me because either you are mafia or don't like me. I mean, for god's sake people look at shade's reasoning or billy's and tell me you will listen to them over the simple possibilities of outcomes here.

im lynching you cause i think youre a bad man - ballbreaking aside
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Hey dak did you miss when von turned up Enclave after trying HARD to lynch me?

Also, lemme explain something you misunderstood:
-billy has said there are 100% confirmed villagers he knows of. For instance, in that log I posted, he said...:
<billymills> the post restricter has been confirmed

Now, if billy is lynched, before being lynched he can provide the name of this person for us all to claim to. If I am lynched, before I die I could provide the name of the dude I inspected so that we can all claim to him. In other words, we gain a clean villager EITHER WAY this lynch, which can hardly be used as a point against me as everyone is making it.

I never said it cleaned ME. I said it cleaned SOMEONE.

That someone can be named by billy before he is lynched.

As I have pointed out, billy is useless role wise and I am essential. There is absolutely no reason not to lynch him off first if you are SURE one of us is mafia (but, given that he has openly trusted a mafia and a BG got "randed" last night while I have proven I am not mafia, I'm really not sure how anyone sane can still argue I am mafia).
 
lambasto said:
the only possibilities are, that uncle and billy are both good (highly unlikely) or that billy is good and unclesam is evil - which everyone should place their bets on
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UncleSam has led a lynch on a Creature, and been heavily attacked by someone who turned out Enclave.

Billy has proved an announcer role, which pretty much can only be wasteland.

Is it really that unlikely that they're both good? I honestly think neither are mafia. At the most one is neutral...
 
Oh I forgot to mention that I originally intended to inspect von last night but didn't because billy assured me time and again von was village.

Based on a PM with grammar errors.

Seriously billy is better than that how can anyone not see he is mafia and his teammates are protecting him.

In the meantime villagers are all confused and that works just fine for them.

Notice that though he has a ton of claims billy hasn't led any lynches on anyone other than me, who he has openly admitted isn't mafia (or is as unlikely to be mafia as anyone).
 
ok

we all know bg is down, so even if sam/billy were to get lynched, i doubt they'll reveal their "cleaned guy" since he'll just get killed afterwards. now, nothing will come if we lynch sam/billy regarding a stable village, and the only benefit is a 50/50 chance of lynching a mafia. therefore people on irc have agreed that a third party that has less of a chance to backfire would be ideal. i will now present said third party.

where do i begin? i am village watcher. i've targeted ipl/ginga during n0 because their role was made public and mafia/neutrals would rather stop that role from gaining any possible data on them. therefore i watched ipl for any kidnap/hooker attempts of sorts. my results were as such;
iiMKUltra said:
It would appear that imperfectluck was targeted by Fangren.
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now i have been trying to get closer to ipl ever since but he wouldn't budge. thankfully, i managed to talk to ginga and have reached the following conclusion;
irc said:
[13:19] <ginganinja> actually
[13:20] <ginganinja> I asked the hosts
[13:20] <ginganinja> 00:16 Blue_Tornado did something unusual happen to you n0
[13:20] <ginganinja> again
[13:20] <ginganinja> and this time
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> and?
[13:20] <ginganinja> I got told
[13:20] <ginganinja> You spent a great deal of last night chasing someone round the wastes. You were thus unable to ask your question.
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> excellent
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> i'm a watcher
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> i watched ipl n0
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> the only one who targeted him
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> was fangren
[13:20] <ginganinja> interesting
01[13:20] <Blue_Tornado> meaning
01[13:21] <Blue_Tornado> mafia hooker?????
01[13:21] <Blue_Tornado> since ipl pubclaimed n0
[13:21] <ginganinja> yeah
01[13:21] <Blue_Tornado> it would make sense
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let's examine the possibilities; it was known that ipl was possibly y/n asker. therefore, it would be unneeded risk for the village hooker to maybe prevent an info role from.. yielding info. fangren is not a first timer -- he would not make this mistake. this leaves us with a non-village hooker, which we should list as our highest priority regarding lynches

so without further adieu -- lynch fangren

if you do not believe my claim i may be able to share parts of my pm if it is required
 
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