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[Standard] Fallout 3 Mafia - Game Over! UncleSam and Flamestrike Win!

UncleSam said:
Hey bt in case you didn't notice it was three votes (including billys), and my "overreaction" resulted in a mafia lynch so nice point???

whether it was 1 post or 3 doesn't change my point-- we weren't going to lynch you in the first place, it was obvious that even if you're mafia, it would make sense to lynch makiri. the thing is, people just wanted to see you gone first regardless of that, but overall we'd have lynched makiri without your interference.

As for why I tried to lead: I didn't want people trusting Billy completely, and I figured that people would just fucking go along with it while I lynched mafias. Yes I foresaw problems if I lynched a villager, but what I didn't foresee was a bunch of idle speculation paranoia getting the better of everyone and people thinking it is a better idea to accuse the alliance checker than lynch mafia!

I admit that from your perspective I COULD be mafia, but I am undeniably more valuable to this team than an announcer. Also if I were mafia why the fuck would I care when I could just put my teams BG on myself?

there usually isn't a bg on every mafia faction most of the time and you know that. also, you could make the bg protect you even when it's unneeded to make sure no-one protects someone your team may want to kill

Oh that's right I care because I don't have a team and both mafia know it and therefore I will be murdered at the first possible opportunity. Billymills will not because the mafia would rather rand village roles than kill announcers (then again when you have geniuses like objection on their team who knows...)

And as for my "poor play" it has already lynched a mafia so stop talking since your excellent play hasn't done anything yet?

like i've already said, your ""poor play"" meant nothing regarding the outcome of this lynch. but, it did get you to the position in which most of the village thinks you're more mafia than village, so there's no problem with calling it "poor play"
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My "poor play" caused the lynch in the first place so shut the fuck up. If you "were never going to lynch me" (which is total bs on the part ofobjection andvon who most certainly wanted to lynch me) then why in the fuck did people change the lynch votes? Also BG is on like 99% of mafia teams (you know that), and I would never draw this much attention to myself in the thread if I was mafia if my goal were simply to not have my kill blocked.

Seriously just look at my role for two seconds and you will see that thus far I have played it perfectly for this team (one mafia lynched and I haven't been lynched which is a miracle for this role, AND I did my best to ensure inspects weren't wasted on me).

Sadly, I feel it is necessary for this village to waste info roles on me to prove my claim so I also encourage some inspector to check me tonight and see what they find. That way these monkeys may get off my back and we can actually lynch mafias without having to convince you dolts not to first off your alliance checker.
 
UncleSam said:
My "poor play" caused the lynch in the first place so shut the fuck up.

your "poor play" was mainly the fact you were so defensive and kept trying to spare your own life at all costs, something that is more mafia-esque than village-esque, frankly

If you "were never going to lynch me" (which is total bs on the part ofobjection andvon who most certainly wanted to lynch me) then why in the fuck did people change the lynch votes?

like you said before, only around 3 votes were directed at you. the only people that were intent at actually voting you either hate you or wanted to see your reaction. it was clear to most of us that makiri is infact the right choice, and we wouldn't have changed our minds just because of 2-3 such voters

Also BG is on like 99% of mafia teams (you know that), and I would never draw this much attention to myself in the thread if I was mafia if my goal were simply to not have my kill blocked.

actually, no. the mafia's numbers aren't big so a bg isn't a guarantee, especially seeing as the mafia have less odds of dying thanks to them controlling a kill and the village not (excluding vigs). and i'm only saying this out of experience too

Seriously just look at my role for two seconds and you will see that thus far I have played it perfectly for this team (one mafia lynched and I haven't been lynched which is a miracle for this role, AND I did my best to ensure inspects weren't wasted on me).

Sadly, I feel it is necessary for this village to waste info roles on me to prove my claim so I also encourage some inspector to check me tonight and see what they find. That way these monkeys may get off my back and we can actually lynch mafias without having to convince you dolts not to first off your alliance checker.

how would wasting an information on you "prove your claim"? it may prove the anti-inspect part, but not your alliance. i think i've presented enough reasons why you're not to be trusted, so why don't you try and convince me why you really are wasteland instead of arguing about this small matter? (the small matter being the bg targeting you)
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Blue_Tornado said:
your "poor play" was mainly the fact you were so defensive and kept trying to spare your own life at all costs, something that is more mafia-esque than village-esque, frankly
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Can someone point out to me how trying to spare your own life when being targetted (instead of a mafia - which he was) is more mafia-esque than village esque?
 
i was mostly referring to the fact he was so urgent with telling us to lynch makiri at all costs, which looked more like "ok let me survive this cycle" than "ok we should lynch this mafia for the good of the village"
 
Yea bt sorry for trying to ensure that the mafia died instead of the village alliance checker I'm sure you mustve been disappointed.

And maybe I'm focusing on this "small matter" so that I don't die and the village doesn't lose it's alliance checker??? That is far more important to me right now because, maybe three mafias later, maybe one, you will trust me. It's kinda pointless if I die tonight, however.

Seriously BG, just take a few minutes to think this through rather than just listening to inane fanfare.

Also objection inspector>>>>>>>>your logic because there are many reasons for why I did what I did (which I took the trouble of explaining to you and others on irc). Also logic generally sucks to base lynches off of rather then facts even when the logic is sound.

In other words stop saying things like "logical" and "fallacy" because you aren't fooling anyone, are one of the least logical people I've ever encountered (not counting Tea Party members), and have given yourself away as mafia.
 
UncleSam said:
Also objection inspector>>>>>>>>your logic because there are many reasons for why I did what I did (which I took the trouble of explaining to you and others on irc). Also logic generally sucks to base lynches off of rather then facts even when the logic is sound.

In other words stop saying things like "logical" and "fallacy" because you aren't fooling anyone, are one of the least logical people I've ever encountered (not counting Tea Party members), and have given yourself away as mafia.
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Inspection results can be faked. Sure, the makiri one might not have been, but that doesn't mean they can't be faked.

Logic, on the other hand, can't be faked.

That's why logic is a better basis for a lynch than inspection results alone. Inspection results in tandem with logic - ok. Logical conclusions based on the actions of the player - ok, just as long as you're prepared to hear the player's defence. Assuming inspection results are always true - not ok. I would have expected such a good mafia player as yourself to know that last statement is true.

Hey, since I've "given myself away as mafia", you don't even need an inspection result to lynch me tomorrow! You can just use logic!
 
We're still looking for that village safeguard who targeted you last night UncleSam. None have shown up yet. If there's no village safeguard, why would the mafia safeguard you? Or do you have some extra protection ability you haven't told us?

You stepped up to lead N1. Then you edited your post to say that you shouldn't lead because you couldn't be inspected. Well damn right you shouldn't have, but you REALLY edited your post because you realized that everyone would inspect you and figure out you are mafia and that trying to lead was stupid as fuck and you should have known better by now.

Then, to prove your claim you had a mafia safeguard on you. Only not only inspection results failed did they? Its good for the rogue to know that targeting you is pointless, as you can apparently kill them without them rezing.

Billymills steps up to lead and proves his claim irrefutably as I've pointed out (and anyone can wiki what I've said), and despite what you say he is not a bad leader. Besides being an accomplished player, any mafia would have to split their efforts in order to kill him. Sure they'd get rid of a good leader, but in doing so they aren't killing the bodyguard, inspector, hooker, or any number of abilities that are all better than announcer.

So you claim to be an alliance checker, and that might be true. I may be totally wrong here, but if anything I'd say alliance checker is more likely a mafia role whereas the village usually has a full inspect. That and we supposedly have a yes/no asker, so how many information roles do we really have? The full inspector hasn't public claimed because that is stupid. It's just a step smarter from public claiming as a bodyguard. And on the subject of "you should have known better", if you were an inspector of any kind how could you be stupid enough to public claim? I'll tell you why, because you know the Enclave won't kill you. And by now you're probably in contact with the Creatures, making sure they won't kill you. So I guess you don't need a bodyguard, unless you're afraid of the wolf.

You may be a great villager, but you suck at this mafia thing.
 
Except I don't do anything without evidence because you know what? Logic can be faked. Evidence, though potentially fakable, is often a far better indicator of who is mafia as we have already seen.

Seriously there is a reason in courts of law we require evidence not logic.

Edit: Hey Von your post is somewhat invalidated by the fact that Billy told me last night he had a safeguard claim who targeted me. And for the record this safeguard is an asshole for targeting me, assuming I can trust billys word that I was safeguarded. Also you get a special prize for revealing that you targeted me with a safeguardable action last night.
 
Your post may as well say "I KNOW YOU ARE LYING BECAUSE I KNOW IT!"

Seriously why not try to do something to prove it.

In the meantime I'll keep exposing and lynching off mafias while the BG lets me live, if that's alright with you.
 
I would like to understand the logic behind claiming publicly on Day 1 that you are the alliance checker when there was an announcer. In fact, I would like to know why you didn't just go to Billymills privately and explain why makiri HAD TO BE MAFIA instead of exposing yourself to at least 1 mafia team and maybe both of them if you are telling the truth.

I can only see one of two scenarios.

1. You're mafia and doing a shitty job of it.

2. You're village and power hungry. And even though you got a single mafia member, way to expose yourself. An unblockable kill would take you out or hooking the BG would too (which is arguably a better move for either mafia than killing the BG one night and risking a possible guilty).

So which one is it? Are you in it for the glory so that you can yell to the heavens that you won the game for the village? Or are you just shitty at hiding?
 
Um actually lifeadmiral I did it for two reasons:
1. I did not want people blindly following a cunning player like Billymills who may or may not be village. Announcers have been mafia or neutrals before.
2. I knew that I would get inspected n0 because I get inspected every game during n0 (seriously every game be my guest to check back through the game listing), and I figured I had to make it known I was uninspectable before I got lynched because of it. Once I gave my role name and that I was uninspectable, I figured sharing my results of a mafia would go some ways in cleaning me before people lynched me because I am uninspectable. As it turns out, some idiots like objection seem to think that I lynched a mafia and therefore I am also mafia? If I were a member of the other mafia team I would have coordinated attacks on the village with the creatures rather than killing them off.

In short, as others have pointed out, my behavior makes no sense for ANY role apart from the one I have and have shared with you all.
 
As it turns out, some idiots like objection seem to think that I lynched a mafia and therefore I am also mafia? If I were a member of the other mafia team I would have coordinated attacks on the village with the creatures rather than killing them off.
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Nope. If you are a member of a mafia team, you or one of your teammates will try to get into a position of power in the village so that you can mole them and hit them where it hurts. You will want to lead lynches on the other mafia team to make yourself appear clean. You might co-ordinate night actions with the other mafia, but by day you want to appear to be as much of a villager as possible, and leading lynches on your rival mafia team has this effect more so than lynching a villager and pretending you didn't know that that person was a villager. I know because my mafia team in another game used that strategy (albeit unsuccessfully).
 
I'm totally fine with inspecting whoever, it's just that if I say:
"Don't inspect me you will waste you inspection" everyone goes "OMG HES MAFIA"
"INSPECT ME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SO YOU WILL FAIL AND SEE IM RIGHT" and people say "OMG HES MAFIA".

What the fuck am I supposed to do people say I'm mafia no matter what I do.
 
Um yea villagers also ask to be inspected.

And uninspectable villagers ask not to be.

Besides your entire post is dumb because by those standards literally everyone is mafia.

Say, do you WANT to be inspected Von or do you not want to be inspected?
 
Villagers let the inspector decide for himself who he wants to inspect. They don't ask to be inspected or ask not to be inspected. Why do you think everyone has to either want or not want inspection with a passion?
 
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