Resource SV CAP Viability Rankings

[spoo]

Even though Necturna got nerfed it could still sketch Poltergeist despite not learning it naturally through TM. That would patch up its main issue of no good Ghost STAB

Rage Fist is infinitely better than Poltergeist. After getting hit a single time, its BP is already almost equivalent, and it can scale far far higher. This allows Necturna to act as a wall, breaker, and wincon all at once. Rage Fist also can't miss, or fail whenever the opponent loses its item, or quickly run out of PP, and it doesn't depend on Attack or Speed investment. The two moves are not remotely equivalent or even comparable.

Necturna could compensate for losing Rage Fist by using other moves or other sets –– but what is it actually doing, right now, in the metagame? We don't know yet, because it's barely been a week since the nerf was implemented. If you're going to post in this thread, please try to support those opinions with evidence, even if it's just anecdotal evidence. Or at the very least, explain the reasoning behind your opinion, instead of just stating it in one or two sentences and not backing it up.

I already had to delete a one-liner since my last post two hours ago. You don't need to post an essay, or even a full paragraph, but it should take more than 10 seconds to think of and type out.

 

[SunMYSER]

to B+

Hoopa-Unbound @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 40 Def / 84 SpA / 92 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Knock Off
- Psychic Noise
- Drain Punch
- Gunk Shot/Thunderbolt

I've been liking Hoopa recently. It's a fairly decent role compression of Chugg answer+special wall+knock spreader that is pretty difficult for balance/fat to switch in on. Psychic Noise lets it bully a lot of mons that rely on their recovery. Drain Punch gets a surprising amount of use against steel types that try to switch into gunk/noise.

The last move is up to preference. Gunk+Tera Poison lets Hoopa become a solid late-game hemo and rev answer and generally lets it deal with fairies more easily, while Thunderbolt lets it further bully corv/skar and bulky waters like alomomola and Snael, who otherwise are a bit annoying.

 

[spoo]

PRE (sort of) CAPCL VR UPDATE! We have a new addition to the VR team, welcome Spammernoob! Fragments decided to set this one out as well.

Newly Ranked
Araquanid UR → B-
Iron Hands UR → C
Kitsunoh UR → S-
Necturna UR → B+
Ninetales UR → C
Pyroak UR → C
Shox UR → B-
Weezing-Galar UR → C

Rises
Gliscor A+ → S-
Cresceidon A → A+
Kyurem A → A+
Ogerpon-Wellspring A → A+
Iron Moth A- → A
Zamazenta A- → A
Alomomola B+ → A-
Revenankh B+ → A-
Hydrapple B- → B
Ursaluna B- → B
Cawmodore C → B-
Fidgit C → B-
Ninetales-Alola C → B-
Pecharunt C → B-

Drops
Dragapult S- → A+
Chuggalong A+ → A
Gholdengo A+ → A
Hemogoblin A+ → A
Deoxys-Speed A → A-
Landorus-Therian A → A-
Malaconda A → A-
Ting-Lu A → A-
Walking Wake A → A-
Dragonite A- → B+
Krilowatt A- → B+
Snaelstrom A- → B+
Hawlucha B+ → B
Heatran B+ → B
Rillaboom B+ → B
Rotom-Wash B+ → B
Skarmory B+ → B
Weavile B+ → B
Skeledirge B+ → B-
Enamorus B → B-
Hatterene B → B-
Manaphy B → B-
Ribombee B → B-
Serperior B → C
Clodsire B- → C
Dondozo B- → C
Sinistcha B- → C
Tomohawk B- → C
Toxapex B- → C
Greninja C → UR
Okidogi C → UR
Plasmanta C → UR
Reuniclus C → UR
Slowking C → UR
Torkoal C → UR
Tyranitar C → UR

 

[Fragments]

PRE (sort of) CAPCL VR UPDATE! We have a new addition to the VR team, welcome Spammernoob! Fragments decided to set this one out as well.

NO HE DIDNT

 

[Steam Buns]

Hello, it's time for some VR nominations

New
-> A- | Why did this get unranked? there has potentially never been a pokemon with a stronger offensive profile.
(post buff) -> S- | Say hello to your soon to be most hated mon in the meta
-> C
-> C
-> C
-> C
-> C
-> C

Rises
-> S | Please OU this is thing is so broken, I had to use skill swap clefable for christs sake
-> A | Only the tip of the iceberg has been touched for this mon, so bulky so strong can't be stopped with status its the perfect answer to a ghost riddled meta.
-> B+
(pre buff) -> A-
-> B+ | Mon is locked to bdrum but there is actually a lot of room to customize every other aspect, with a combination of traits as strong as cawm has you can't write it off until every option is exhausted
-> A+ | It's genuinely the perfect glue mon
-> B+
-> B
-> S-
-> A
-> A
-> B
-> B-
-> B- | those who know

Drops
-> A | why use arghonaut when arghonaut exists yknow?
-> A-
-> B | I have never been able to make this mon work but maybe its a skill issue
-> B-
-> C
-> C
-> C

 

[Suppletangerine]

Sorry if I’m missing it but what is the Shox buff?

 

[Spammernoob]

Sorry if I’m missing it but what is the Shox buff?

+18 SpA, +6 Def, +10 SpD, -18 Atk

Also got a movepool update for 2.0, most notable move I think is Earth Power (though I haven't looked closely).

 

[spoo]

Post-CAPCL VR update! sorry for the delay, Fragments didn't vote for two whole weeks, then I was out of town for a week, then I forgot for a couple more days, and now we're here. Let's all say goodbye to D2TheW who stepped down from the VR team after a long few years. fragments still never voted btw

Rises

• Gliscor A+ → S
• Cresceidon A+ → S-
• Garganacl A → A+
• Moltres A- → A
• Ting-Lu A- → A
• Zamazenta A- → A
• Clefable B+ → A-
• Dragonite B+ → A-
• Hydrapple B → B+
• Araquanid B- → B
• Hatterene B- → B
• Ninetales-Alola B- → B
• Ogerpon B- → B
• Tinkaton B- → B
• Tornadus-Therian B- → B
• Pecharunt B- → B+
• Shox B- → B+
• Blissey C → B-
• Dondozo C → B-
• Iron Hands C → B-
• Keldeo C → B-
• Weezing-Galar C → B-
• Corviknight C → B
• Latios C → B

Drops

• Kitsunoh S- -> A
• Chuggalong A → A-
• Iron Moth A → A-
• Kingambit A → A-
• Mollux A → A-
• Venomicon A → B+
• Deoxys-Speed A- → B+
• Malaconda A- → B+
• Primarina A- → B+
• Raging Bolt A- → B+
• Walking Wake A- → B+
• Necturna B+ → B
• Hawlucha B → B-
• Heatran B → B-
• Rillaboom B → B-
• Rotom-Wash B → B-
• Stratagem B → B-
• Venomicon-Epilogue B → B-
• Iron Boulder B- → C
• Ribombee B- → C
• Venusaur B- → C
• Volcanion B- → C
• Iron Treads B- → UR
• Slowking C → UR
• Torkoal C → UR

 

[Fragments]

Post-CAPCL VR update! sorry for the delay, Fragments didn't vote for two whole weeks, then I was out of town for a week, then I forgot for a couple more days, and now we're here. Let's all say goodbye to D2TheW who stepped down from the VR team after a long few years. fragments still never voted btw

Rises

• Gliscor A+ → S
• Cresceidon A+ → S-
• Garganacl A → A+
• Moltres A- → A
• Ting-Lu A- → A
• Zamazenta A- → A
• Clefable B+ → A-
• Dragonite B+ → A-
• Hydrapple B → B+
• Araquanid B- → B
• Hatterene B- → B
• Ninetales-Alola B- → B
• Ogerpon B- → B
• Tinkaton B- → B
• Tornadus-Therian B- → B
• Pecharunt B- → B+
• Shox B- → B+
• Blissey C → B-
• Dondozo C → B-
• Iron Hands C → B-
• Keldeo C → B-
• Weezing-Galar C → B-
• Corviknight C → B
• Latios C → B

Drops

• Chuggalong A → A-
• Iron Moth A → A-
• Kingambit A → A-
• Mollux A → A-
• Venomicon A → B+
• Deoxys-Speed A- → B+
• Malaconda A- → B+
• Primarina A- → B+
• Raging Bolt A- → B+
• Walking Wake A- → B+
• Necturna B+ → B
• Hawlucha B → B-
• Heatran B → B-
• Rillaboom B → B-
• Rotom-Wash B → B-
• Stratagem B → B-
• Venomicon-Epilogue B → B-
• Iron Boulder B- → C
• Ribombee B- → C
• Venusaur B- → C
• Volcanion B- → C
• Iron Treads B- → UR
• Slowking C → UR
• Torkoal C → UR

AHHH I FORGOR AGAIN

 

[spoo]

Here's our big VR update now that CAPPL is over and the post-Ramnarok meta has settled a bit. Thanks to One Last Kiss, Mada, Baddy, and Da Pizza Man for voting this time!

Newly Ranked

• Chromera UR → C
• Cyclohm UR → B-
• Jumbao UR → C
• Kerfluffle UR → C
• Lokix UR → B-
• Ramnarok UR → B+
• Scizor UR → C
• Tyranitar UR → B-

Rises

• Ting-Lu A → A+
• Zamazenta A → A+
• Mollux A- → A
• Revenankh A- → A
• Deoxys-Speed B+ → A-
• Pecharunt B+ → A-
• Snaelstrom B+ → A-
• Caribolt B → B+
• Corviknight B → B+
• Latios B → B+
• Tornadus-Therian B → A
• Rillaboom B- → B
• Stratagem B- → B+
• Weezing-Galar B- → B+
• Clodsire C → B-
• Garchomp C → B-
• Glimmora C → B-
• Toxapex C → B-

Drops

• Cresceidon S- → A+
• Equilibra A+ → A
• Kitsunoh A → A-
• Chuggalong A- → B+
• Landorus-Therian A- → B+
• Samurott-Hisui A- → B+
• Cinderace B+ → B
• Iron Valiant B+ → B
• Krilowatt B+ → B
• Malaconda B+ → B
• Miasmaw B+ → B
• Primarina B+ → B
• Raging Bolt B+ → B
• Shox B+ → B
• Walking Wake B+ → B
• Araquanid B → B-
• Iron Crown B → B-
• Meowscarada B → B-
• Necturna B → B-
• Ogerpon B → B-
• Tinkaton B → B-
• Barraskewda B- → C
• Cawmodore B- → C
• Colossoil B- → C
• Enamorus B- → C
• Fidgit B- → C
• Hawlucha B- → C
• Hoopa-Unbound B → C
• Iron Hands B- → C
• Keldeo B- → C
• Latias B- → C
• Manaphy B- → C
• Pelipper B- → C
• Excadrill C → UR

 

[Dead by Daylight]

ok, but did Fragments vote?

 

[Spammernoob]

ok, but did Fragments vote?

Surprisingly, yes.

 

[Lightniong]

B -> B+ / A- : I have no clue why it dropped a rank, but I think it's a crazy useful glue mon capable of addingcrazy utility for a team if not a little passive at times. Being a slow pivot is always a help especially for more frail Pokemon like Weavile and them, but it's also a great Knock Off absorber due to sticky hold, even though it can't switch into that much to absorb Knock Off, it can threaten Ground-types like Lando and Glisc with Ice Beam, glare is a broken-ass move that easily makes any pokemon hesitant about coming in to check it, plus it soft-checks almost every special attacker in the tier. This mon really deserves it's flowers as the sheer bundle of utility that it deserves.

B -> B+ : I think witht the edition of Ramarok sun's gotten better, Ramnarok kinda forces mons like Garganacl, Moltres, and other Fire-resistant types, all of which are just Wake/Bolt fodder, plus ram's also a good new edition to sun teams due to the defensive utility of soft-checking hemo + being a threatening sweeper in it's own right, + I think it's very customizable with it's last slot, you could run ram, ceru, rev, hemo, and moth, i woudn't call it underexplored, but i do wanna see people experimenting with it more per se.

B -> B+ : Same reasons as sun, plus is a really good knock off user on balance teams that can fit it

C -> B- : Hazard lead sets are pretty useful, better than most things in C tier anyway.

S -> A+ : I feel like this has gotten the "great mon fall off" effect where every team has prepped for it so much that it kinda can't do the thing that made it so good in the first place, don't get me wrong, SD sets are still a menace to society, and spikes/sr sets do bring a lot to the table defensively, it's just that most teams have prepared for that, and now it just has a harder time doing those things, so much that i don't think it warrants being anything special compared to the other things we have roaming around.

anyway exited for wcap, exited to see what all the eventual sv mainers coming to cap bring in with their perspective, and who knows, maybe i'll actually do writeups if time allows

 

[Cheryl.]

Some noms.

C -> B/B+: Wrote about Chromera a lot in my metagame discussion post so I won't dwell on it too much here, but C is definitely underrating this mon for how good it is at breaking slower teams while possessing self-sustainability and a better Speed tier than some breakers ranked higher than it currently like Ursaluna. It does require some babying with its reliance on Tera and meh offense matchup, but if Ursa can get B rank while needing all that and more, Chromera is surely up there with it. Personally, I'd rank it higher at B+ cause its shown to have some level of versatility with the builds you can use it on and it still puts in consistent work if its tour winrate is anything to go by.

B -> A-: Hatterene does the same thing it does in OU and I don't see much in CAP that explicitly makes it worse outside of Equilibra existing for non-Mystical Fire sets. Even then, it sees consistent usage on offenses because Magic Bounce utility is just too good and... yeah that's pretty much it. Just think its underranked for a mon that's not much worse than it is in regular OU.

A -> A+: RUN MORE OFFENSIVE GREAT TUSK. It will change your life. For real, though, Great Tusk is just that guy and I feel its due for a small bump for how consistent it is at hazard removing and threatening a variety of the defensive cores used in CAP. Defensive Tusk sets aren't bad still, but the pressure that a set like dual STABs + Ice Spinner can put onto most cores that lack something like a Snaelstrom can be ludicrous especially if you go Booster Attack. Between that and the number of coverage lures it can viably run (Rock move for Moltres and Zapdos, Supercell for Snael) Tusk is always going to get progress done beyond just spinning if you use it right.

B- -> C: I didn't bring Epilogue in Seasonal, but goddammit I tried to build with it and I don't see how its ranked above C at all. On paper you've got the shiest Tinted Lens STABs and a typing that resists the most dangerous priority in the tier (Hemo and Revenankh moves) and that's amazing. But in practice, being forced to take Rocks chip nullifies a lot of the utility this guy has for offense and moreso reduces the chances of it ever getting a successful switchin to use Coil. Ofc you can alleviate this with hazard control but doing all that for a mid Speed breaker with frankly garbo bulk is never going to be worth it for me when there's so many better and more threatening sweepers to run in CAP. Keep it ranked for the occasional god matchup into fat, but other than that this mon SUCKS. Chuggalong also completely mogged this thing's potential niche on HO by being immune to priority, ngl.

Shorter ones now.

A -> A+: Broken and defines the tier. Lowkey could put it in S for that reason but at least A+.

B+ -> A-: Mogs the recent trend-up of mons like Tornadus-Therian and has always been good into a lot of relevant phys mons like Revenankh, Great Tusk, Zama, etc. Can be annoying for Equilibra to deal with if you run Heat Wave as well. The gap between this and Molt shouldn't be so wide.

B -> B+/A-: Agree with everything Lightniong said above. Shox is great.

C -> B-: Does similar things as it does in OU but you also get to be a soft Hemogoblin check for HO which is dope. Moth is also more relevant here than in OU which helps bring this up as a good option for your Screens builds. Feels a fair bit of a step above the ultra niche stuff in C except for like, Latias/Tomohawk/maybe Colossoil. Maybe rise those too.

UR -> C: Also mentioned these two in the meta thread but yeah please rank them, they're viable enough. Could argue Navia a little higher cause it does have a pretty legit role on offense as a Hemo check and status absorber but C's a good start.

UR -> C: You've got to really justify why you bring a Treads over Equilibra but there really are some builds where the higher speed tier and unique tools like Ice coverage for Gliscors/DNites or Knock Off being Knock Off can really work out. Use it as a faster kinda sorta more offensive Equilibra that spreads Knock and I swear it's worth C rank.

If you're worried about A+ getting too bloated with my noms, idk all those mons are goats. Maybe consider dropping Ting-Lu? Probably don't.