agree to disagree. defenitely uu material, but you dont want your hazard setter to be unreliable.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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Does Aerial Ace not 2HKO the Tusk? I use it with success it also does good Chip on Zamazenta Hero as well.
For some reason Regieleki is even more busted than I expected.
To me it's not so much that Stone Axe is a bad move (It's a great move in fact), it's that Kleavor is a bad Pokemon. Bad typing (both offensively and defensively), middling speed tier, and below average bulk really don't make for a good Pokemon in this metagame.
Interesting you put tusk so high.
it beats lando 1 on 1 and is more useful in a vaccuum, but switches into less relevant threats.
we are playing a very different meta to a weeks ago
The problem with banning magearna is that in my opinion vested magearna is one of only two counters to leki alongside clodsire, with clodsire being very bad outside of leki. If you ban magearna then Chien-pau also just runs rampant - so I really hope leki gets banned and not magearna.
Eleki is egregious and shouldn't have been let into the tier. you can at least somewhat account for mag in team building without compromising on other threats too much
I think that great tusk is better because it's super versatile whereas lando lost a bunch of moves so it's more confined to a few sets. I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong about lando tho, it's a genuinely good pokemon after all
sneasler is a much bigger problem than eleki
you are insane
clodsire is about to get 1000000x better
eleki going means the meta slows down a little. Clodsire checks sneasler, urshifu, zapdos, enamorous (barely) and magearna.
might change again after magearna goes.
it also doesn’t help that air balloon gholdengo is meta and will sit on it. Nor does it help that ID zamazenta can sit on water absorb variants.
big bear also comes in when clodsire recovers, and that’s when you’ll probably lose the game.
however it’s also the point at which ursaluna will start to get discussed as a potential banned Pokémon. The point at which balanced teams start to become viable and people get mad that it just deletes their walls.
But you play clodsire as a switch in, then double switch out or use rocks. Impish rocky helmet clodsire might be legit soon.
torn-t eating if eleki goes, offensive nasty plot/offensive pivot torn can finally work! (Chien pao going will help it too.)
Also zapdos stocks taking a nosedive when eleki goes.
Is it just me though, or does zapdos kinda suck as an OU pokemon now?
Also zapdos stocks taking a nosedive when eleki goes.
Is it just me though, or does zapdos kinda suck as an OU pokemon now?
I bet zapdos is gonna be OU adjacent like it was in BW. It'll probably drop but still have a niche because it's not a bad pokemon and never really has been
Yeah it losing defog is probably a huge blow though.
At least with torn-t and lando-t they still have plenty of tools to be A rank pokemon when the meta settles down.
Zap just kinda feels underwhelming on most teams, even if it still has its niches in OU
Hisui goodra can be built to make Tera ice a 6hko and still be able to ko back and blissey is still blissey.
Baxcaibler can also survive any hit and KO back.
Obviously this isn’t for me to say he isn’t broken.
Based on this convo alone I’m thinking most people are getting the most mileage out of him with specs rather than life orb or HDB like I had been running.
https://pokepast.es/017d7715656acf8e
I made six extremely dangerous sets in like five minutes. this thing has to go.
lets run through them. first, we have a mon that is essentially guarenteed to be the fastest mon on the field with no risk to itself and no speed investments who hits like a truck. next, we have a few variations on this, including endure red card, endure liechi berry, and focus sash swords dance. these all are horifying. then, we have poison touch u turn and fake out on one of the fastest mons in the game. not even mentioning dire claw. and theres a variation of this that can also set up hazards. you cant prepare for this. you cant fight this. it has to go.
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These are all extremely answerable in a meta where you don't have to attempt to account for Bolt_Beam.gif. You are just coping extremely hard. Also, oh no a second good Unburden sweeper whatever will we do
I am guessing this "emergency ban" will likely be Sneaseler / Dire Claw. As busted as Eleki is, idk if its so busted to get banned under a day of being legal.
...Actually maybe it is now that I think about it more.
Regardless, Dire Claw + Sneaseler has more of a case warranting immediate action I'm guessing because of the RNG nature of the move and the statuses it can inflict.
Not saying I would agree with the decision, but it seems like the most likely outcome atm.
second? are you refering to hawlucha, who is in rubl?
Mag is the only Pokémon worth emergency banning
Mons in lower tiers can still be viable in OU.
It’s not Sneasler or Dire Claw
Regieleki outspeeds literally every good scarfer with timid. It needs to go because you cannot account for it in team building reliably. Scarf meowscarda outspeeds (with a speed boosting nature) but you don't have a guaranteed ohko.
252 SpA Meowscarada Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Regieleki: 268-316 (89 - 104.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Regieleki on a critical hit: 264-312 (87.7 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
As I've been saying, Sneasler becomes extremely answerable when you don't have to attempt to not instantly die to Regieleki.
yes, but this is a different beast.
Lmao bye regieleki, the fastest pokemon gets the fastest quickban
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