It feels like the exact type of thing Gamefreak would do though. Give something that's already solid even more power. In fact, I really wouldn't be surprised if they gave Dozo Slack Off.
because that's genuinely necessary. even with all of the progress we've made, we'd need to axe gambit, valiant, pult and bax at minimum to get something resembling a balanced meta
dondozo is supposed to be nearly impossible to break physically. that's the entire thing it was designed to do. why would the thing that's already a hard stop to basically every physical attacker become broken if given the capability to burn things? i don't see too huge of a benefit to running scald on it, especially in the cloak era where there's a very real chance that you could just be fishing for burns in an empty lake
Nearly impossible. Scald would just make it outright impossible for anything bar Tera Dragon Band Baxcalibur and Tera Normal Ursaluna from successfully breaking it physically. Also, Scald Burns don’t just effect a Pokemon’s matchup against Dozo, but also against the rest of the team that Dondozo is on. Everything else becomes a gargantuan task to break with Burned mons, and the only mons that really want to actively run Covert Cloak are Defensive ones. Offensive wallbreakers/sweepers/cleaners/pivots would rather run any other item other than Covert Cloak. I already talked earlier about how degenerate Scald’s impact is and how it isn’t fun or healthy for every Water type in the game to get a STAB version of Lava Plume, and in turn be forced to run Covert Cloak on something that would prefer Life Orb, Choice Band, Leftovers, some other boosting item, Heavy Duty Boots, Air Balloon.
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I think you misunderstand, if i had my way alot of this bs would be gone. Unfortunately we live in the real world, where a lot of these bans have already failed to go through. So I gotta embrace the smallest of victories.
Dozo deserves slack off, but not scald. Scald dozo would be insane and it would make most physical attackers barely viable.
in their defense, slack off started existing in gen 3, so it's only been 20 years, which is basically fine
Dozo already beats physical attackers, how would Scald affect their viability if they lose to it anyway? (And even then, the few physical attackers that can overwhelm it like band Bax and Tera Dark / Fighting Gambit only realistically leave it a single turn to get a Scald burn off, so they're still usually winning that exchange)
Please explain what physical attacker not called Baxcalibur you are switching in on Dondozo.
this wouldn't matter because of Unaware, which is why Draco Meteor is one of the best moves to beat a non-Tera Fairy Dondozo
yea, fair enough. I suppose I was just being silly sorry
To play Devil's Advocate Devil Advocate, Unaware ignores stat stage changes, but they sound like they're suggesting something like LA Frostbite, where the power drop is built into the Status condition and thus would "ignore" Unaware like Burn's Physical drop.
To be fair it also implies that many more mons could force it to Rest with Toxic. Also Taunt Toxic Tera Grass Heatran would be the perfect counter (probably not even Tera Grass if SpDef Heatran).
Honestly I think it's arguable if +20 to Speed just so it can outspeed Great Tusk, otherwise it's just Bad-Ttar (who already currently doesn't fair so good in this metagame)
