i agree, it reminds me of the time where volcarona and urshifu-dark were allowed throughout the entire metagame of swsh dlc1 without action
Even if we act on it now, Gholdengo will return to OU with DLC2, so I don’t think this applies — if we would need to subscribe to “probably be another 4 months before there is action on Gholdengo”, that would be the reality regardless for the future metagame.
Make it balanced like SS OU???
so we should quickban it then. it won't be another volc situation because the survey was recent, ghold scored quite high on it, and everyone will be aware that the ban is temporary and very short-lived. we'll also be able to gather valuable data on what hazard play without ghold looks like
Gholdengo does not have the support for a quickban; the survey scores are a bit lower than we would like and the council vote would lead to a suspect, not a quickban (or even close to one at that -- the support just is not there).
then what was the survey? was that not consulting people? was 3.8 not sufficient support for at least doing something, no matter how little time is left? do we just sit on our hands when something scores 3.8 now? if anything, that is a shift in parameters to protect gholdengo specifically. just do something about ghold, i don't care what. at least give us a council vote even if it would be symbolic, it'd indicate that our votes matter and you're hearing us. doing nothing makes it look like you have an agenda to protect ghold. i know you don't, of course, but the perception outside the immediate thread is very much not good right now
I thought the only pokemon with defeatist ability was archeops didn't know there were more. Shifting the topic, what are your thoughts on ogerpon cornerstone? I never found success running cornerstone specially compared to wellspring, so I wanted to know how much you guys like cornerstone and how do you guys make it work.
3.8 would be enough for a suspect for sure, but short of quickban standards unless this was a new Pokemon right after a release, and even then it is borderline at best.
This is a quote directly from the Sneasler ban post, which I hope provides proper context for you.
We did consider it -- the support just was not there as I said. You cannot quickban something without internal support or external support. This is why I post all of the metrics and transparency I possibly can.
I agree that there should be a time when we drop things and focus on the topic of Gholdengo. I do not want to say it should be on X date or after Y time because there is too much unknown in the future, but it should 100% be on the agenda, yes.
Yesterday, despite it being Thanksgiving, I got up the survey and posted an unprecedented, long PR thread + post here to determine how to proceed because the council lacks consensus and there is no precedent. Do you want me to just ignore my council, ignore policy and common sense, and go rogue? I am going out of my way to get us to the optimal decision here -- if you want more, that is on you, not on me.
This is an awful comparison. Mega Sableye in ORAS was at the end of a generation when it was still perfectly playable and not about to reset and have the whole suspect undone. Old generation tiering is in the same boat. You are not thinking this through at all if you are comparing the two and I implore you to take a step back and think it through.
This is also untrue. We could've had more suspects before DLC1 or during last generation had resets not been impending. This larger discussion and the PR thread are a long time coming. UUTL Lily even cited a similar experience in UU, too. You really have ignored a lot of what we said in posts yesterday for the sake of your own specific agenda I feel.
This is literally the entire point of why I posted a thread about where and when to draw a line. I literally said this same thing in my posts yesterday paraphrased. You are entitled to weigh an opinion on it, but ignoring what we said and then spitting it out as criticism that is uninformed is baffling. Be better.
Because sneasler was blatantly overpowered lmfao? Only direct checks/counters were tera invested mons, Dondozo or Skeledirge, the latter getting melted by its partner Rillaboom. Gliscor was metagame warping spikes setter immune to status and with a great versatility, and whilst you could say Gholdengo is similar to Gliscor, it is certainly heaps more manageable after the former's ban, as the primary spikes setter is a fat fuck with no recovery or status spread. The metagame is about to completely change after DLC2, it would only make sense to do the suspect then; even so, if a suspect was put up right now, time constraints are certainly something to be concerned about, as the "post-gholdengo" metagame would likely be super volatile with people spamming Corv and realising its still ass (assuming Dengo is banned). One thing I can say with confidence is that as much you may despise the current metagame, it is without a doubt playable and frankly pretty fun to build around and play - certainly tolerable.
