This is going to be anecdotal experience but it really didnt. Pex' best answer wasnt a mirror matchup, and pex was a lot less present than Gliscor is in gen 9.
FuturePort Glowking was very common and didnt care about Pex. Roost HDB Koko could sit on pex forever and force it out, and pivots to gain momentum. You had Tapu Lele too, Fini answered most Pex sets (and with whirlpool + taunt, 1v1d it), Volcanion made scald spam less good. Heatran could 1v1 it with Magma Storm +Taunt. Very rarely was a team's best option intk Pex their own Pex.
Pex also only got TSpikea which were a lot easier to remove by either carrying a grounded poison type, or using one of the defoggers. Gen 8 has a lot more removal.
Gen 9 is a very different metagame.
The reason Gliscor is kicking up so mich discourse is because it benefits so much from meta trends and the gen 9 environment (tera, lack of removal options, gholdengo). It' become really good and has high presence, but unlike pex there are very few answers into it that can threaten or 1v1 it while also not getting toxic'd and put on a timer, and not minding losing its item. Gliscor really is its own worst enemy.
Plus it can tera to remove its key 4x ice weakness, something pex couldnt do in previous gens
I know burden of proof for ban is technically on the pro-ban side but I'd love to know what your answers are into Gliscor
Lastly, I find it kinda amusing that you keep saying HO brainrot this HO brainrot that, when HO has arguably the best matchup into Gliscor. Stall and Balance teams rely on chip damage to deal with defensive mons, something thay Gliscor doesnt care much for. Gliscor can only really pick one defensive side to be unkillable in, and HO can overwhelm it, especially with taunt or sub on setup mons
Exactly, i cannot believe that I'm being lumped in with the "Smogon loves stall, all games should be HO, unban Bloodmoon" crowd for criticizing how Gliscor matches into slower teams, when *I* love stall
tr8orsrequiem, why laugh react the quoted post? It's very well reasoned, maybe listen to the reasoning rather than say "you can't break Gliscor because you are stupid and bad"
Please stop implying that the playerbase is incompetent or stupid for wanting action on Gliscor by saying "HO brainrot".
The offensive landscape of SV OU is SIGNIFICANTLY different than that of previous generations. Gliscor has always been a mon that can create a lot of free turns by virtue of it's bulk and typing, but in this gen it got spikes which makes the free turns it creates to generate incredible amounts of value. Spikes and Toxic make it very difficult for offense to break Gliscor, and you'll often see it funnel a lot resources from them,slowly killing momentum from the offense teams. Secondly, the actual offensive mons we have in this meta are simply worse into Gliscor than those that existed in previous gens. Valiant, Iron Moth, non sub Zamazenta, Sneasler, non taunt RM, Dragonite, to an extent even Kingambit, none of these are good into Gliscor.
Previous gens had Ash-Gren, Keldeo, Ice Beam Clef (Clef can't fit Ice Beam much), strong ice punch pokemon like M-Lop and M-Medi, Kyurem, Weavile (I am aware of the uptick in Weavile but it still remains niche), viable Crawdaunt, specs Tapu Lele, Tapu Fini to set Misty Terrain and block Toxic, more viable Rotom Wash, Ferrothorn to set on it and punish stay ins with hazards not to mention HP ICE Zapdos,Tornadus etc and there was better removal to stop them from being worn down easily. Our breakers that can push past Gliscor include Ogerpon (which is absolutely ripped apart by hazard, is very prone to Toxic and is probably problematic in its own right) , Walking Wake (which is now used less outside of Sun and HO , and often carries Specs and Booster so yeah still ripped apart by hazards), Greninja (downtrending) and Enam-I (fallen off an absolute cliff, weak to SR and can't break SpDef) . Oh also Gliscor can simply Tera out of the weakness to it's breaker, toxic it and laugh as the breaker dies painfully.
Also how is it "HO bias" if Gliscor's stranglehold extends over to Balance, hell it affects balance way worse. All balance must be built around being very resiliant towards hazards and toxics, and the best way to do it is to build your own Gliscor balance. If you're building anything remotely bulky right now you better have a good fucking reason to not run Gliscor. Right now is the most homogenized bulky playstyles have ever been, and it's almost singlehandedly due to Gliscor. We've seen teams abusing Gliscor to the fullest which don't have Ghold on them at all, and there's been replays where that thing sets all three spikes over and over despite them being spun away by Tusk or Court Changed by Cinder as it spreads toxics all over and eventually wins the hazard game, WITHOUT Ghold. Let me tell you, pre DLC at least Tusk wasn't dogshit at spinning cause there was no Gliscor that always beat it.
So please, the playerbase isn't stupid that we can't break a defensive pokemon, our options of breaking it throughout the course of a game are more limited than ever before, and it's negative effect is far more pronounced on Balance than Offense.
Have a nice day.
Why laugh react this post when it is better reasoned and clearly more researched and informed than what you have contributed, that being "toxapex is like Gliscor, you are dumb?" What points do you disagree with?
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