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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion
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Rule number 1 when expecting anything from Gamefreak
1) don't
Really, its gonna just be another shitty patch, they are probably gonna try to milk the consumers for more money before launching, don't fall for the same shit twice
Fool me once?
Shame on You
Fool me twice?
Shame on Me
If it is then great, but keep the hope down
1) don't
Really, its gonna just be another shitty patch, they are probably gonna try to milk the consumers for more money before launching, don't fall for the same shit twice
Fool me once?
Shame on You
Fool me twice?
Shame on Me
If it is then great, but keep the hope down
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The Serebii tweet makes it clear its going to include SV connectivity
It's healthy to be skeptical of a launch window, especially after last time, but the rest of this is incoherent
time push up the ubers/ou announcement timeline
Can't cap this announcement per day thing was very painful, thank god they had mercy on us.
It better be
Is nobody going to address calling one of Iron Valiant's best sets terrible?
Red Raven
I COULD BE BANNED!
Imagine if the pokemon company trolls us again and they put the cart ahead of the bloody Mudsdale again
in those few months mandibuzz was carrying the entire tier on its back, it's not a healthy presence
Aside from Giratina freely terastilizing on bad match ups, it has extraordinary bulk and as TingLu has demonstrated, can abuse rest to extend this to ridiculous levels of longevity. Things can pack super effective coverage but unless stab, you're not really threatening it really. Hell, you could abuse a resttalk shuffler set with dragon tail and just phase shit in and out while racking up hazard damage on everything. Or you can have fun with SubCM which ruins bulky structures lacking phasing options, wisphex, which cripples physical offense (which makes up much of the metagame), specs, sub wisp hex, all out attacker...
I'm not sure why there's this trend of wanting to unban boxart legends all of a sudden. Zama is one thing because it was directly nerfed, but there is nothing to gain by dropping something like GiraA into the tier.
idk what the arguments for zama dropping are but the concept itself is stupid
ur dropping a 700 BST mon into a metagame where there is even 420 BST Pokemon like azu
behemoth bash + ID BP or some howl set is still stupidly strong even for OU
if only there was a tier in between OU and Ubers, that's where zama would sit perfectly alongside stuff like ape and eleki assuming that its getting banned
Yea but ting-lu does not have will-o-wisp to just cripple its switch ins and chip it, and Giratina-A also has rest. Oh, and unlike ting-lu, Giratina-A can do shit back. 100 attacking stats are decent if your mon has 150/120/120 bulk, and you also get a very spammable, STAB shadow ball to deal damage to anything that isn’t a normal type. Oh, and are you expecting a non-stab shadow ball to hit Giratina-A because it also hits Gholdengo? Giratina-A also survives a CB Garchomp outrage after rocks. Imagine if the Garchomp did not have STAB and did not have a CB. Giratina can survive 2 hits. Just because it’s super effective doesn’t mean it forces it out.
The main argument is that OU already has the means to handle Fighting types like Iron Valiant and Great Tusk. Especially since it got nerfed this gen, losing 10 Atk in base form and 10 atk + 5 in Def/SpD, and also Dauntless Shield for the Protean treatment. Zama-C was suspect tested last Gen and barely stayed Ubers because it just had enough of power, bulk, speed, and environment was too much. It lost all that in a significantly powercrept gen.
Also Azumarill having 420 BST is disingenuous since Huge Power gives it effectively 149 Atk.
Also Azumarill is the lowest BST Pokemon in a meta where the Median BST is 530.
Also BST, while usually an indicator of power, is not the end all be all of Pokemon viability. It doesn’t matter that Zamazenta has pretty high Atk when its offensive movepool is garbage, nor its bulk when it requires lot of support to remove hazards.
I feel like zamaH will stay and cement itself as another top-tier offensive Fighting type, while with zamaC it's more contentious given its increased bulk, Behemoth Bash, and much better defensive typing. The only things that might end up being of concern with Hero are that speed tier combined with its natural bulk, as it has both of those things over Valiant who has comparable offenses, better coverage, and better typing (although Valiant can patch its speed up w booster or gimmicky eterrain)
word on the smogon forums is lando-I in OU is crazy…
tera ice HDB eleki:
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Fr fr, no cap, you could dump all those threats in OU and Eleki would rise to the top of the heap lol.
Personal predictions since they've been condensed
Pao: probably gonna end up staying banned but this could go either way. If not now I can see this being retested during DLCs or after a potential Tera ban maybe.
Spectrier: No way this doesn't stay banned, others have already posted at length about how it's just like in gen 8 but worse
Regieleki: Probably not banned, frankly could go either way once released depending on how well the metagame adapts to it but tera ice will probably shred offense and I could see some usage for grass as well.
Chi-yu: Lol. banned
Espathra: Like Pao I could only see it being unbanned if Tera is so banned. Either way i find it questionable that espathra will ever be healthy, stored power cm speed boost feels like a shitty theorymon made by a 12yo. At best it gets unbanned and ends up a really controversial, matchup fishy setup sweeper kind of like a worse volc. Would be harder to break through gambit lu and decently bulky steels w/o tera though
Bundle: Also lol. banned
Palafin: Still basically Water Slaking minus the drawbacks. Not enough counterplay coming w Home, banned
Flutter Mane: Go to Ubers, do not pass vote, do not collect kills vs slower mons, banned
UrshiSS: Still pretty much no switchins and now it can be a setup sweeper. banned
ZamaH: It's not too much more powerful than the top Fighting-types in the tier, whether it will be healthy in the tier time will tell, but I forsee it being unbanned
ZamaC: Better typing and bulk than Hero, could see it becoming overcentralizing, I would keep it banned but it could also go either way
Pao: probably gonna end up staying banned but this could go either way. If not now I can see this being retested during DLCs or after a potential Tera ban maybe.
Spectrier: No way this doesn't stay banned, others have already posted at length about how it's just like in gen 8 but worse
Regieleki: Probably not banned, frankly could go either way once released depending on how well the metagame adapts to it but tera ice will probably shred offense and I could see some usage for grass as well.
Chi-yu: Lol. banned
Espathra: Like Pao I could only see it being unbanned if Tera is so banned. Either way i find it questionable that espathra will ever be healthy, stored power cm speed boost feels like a shitty theorymon made by a 12yo. At best it gets unbanned and ends up a really controversial, matchup fishy setup sweeper kind of like a worse volc. Would be harder to break through gambit lu and decently bulky steels w/o tera though
Bundle: Also lol. banned
Palafin: Still basically Water Slaking minus the drawbacks. Not enough counterplay coming w Home, banned
Flutter Mane: Go to Ubers, do not pass vote, do not collect kills vs slower mons, banned
UrshiSS: Still pretty much no switchins and now it can be a setup sweeper. banned
ZamaH: It's not too much more powerful than the top Fighting-types in the tier, whether it will be healthy in the tier time will tell, but I forsee it being unbanned
ZamaC: Better typing and bulk than Hero, could see it becoming overcentralizing, I would keep it banned but it could also go either way
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