Probably won’t be full release. Half now half later imo
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It rely shouldn’t, the NatDex ladder is hella whack. Espathra was UUBL, Zamazenta is UUBL, Mega Mawile is UUBL
1. I just hope we got some old moves back like Garchomp's scale shot but I also hope that knock off and toxic don't return. Seriously, those two moves made last gen so god damn boring. Every damn turn something is just clicking toxic or knock off because there's literally no downside to spamming them. I genuinely hope toxic never gets widespread distribution for the rest of eternity. Also, I think Gamefreak should rework knock off again into something like a constant 100 base damage but will fail if the target has no item. That way, it's a high risk move and not brainless anymore but that's a stretch since Gamefreak clearly doesn't give a single fuck about balance and were clearly on drugs when they made SV
2. Spectrier. I know that horse is broken but it is so much fun to use. I intend to abuse it in the few days we would have that in the tier. Moltres and Zapdoes as well since I always love seeing those two even if I rarely use them
3. Meh, probably just that ghost candle dog. I can't remember its name. And maybe Annihilape but I doubt that. I just wish we won't unban Nemo and Mufasa
this is actually a really smart way to check how mons are responding to the biggest threats in the tier. i guess it’s a no-brainer that common tera types are the ones that beat the biggest threats, but the tera index is a nice way to visualize it. lots of fire, but also lots of water, dark, steel, fairy, and ghost.
that said - the mons who might typically run tera fire like tusk, gambit, hatt, or chomp flip a lot of matchups with tera fire, not just volc. there’s a lot of other good fire types/wisp users in addition to volc that tera fire beats (dirge, moth, ace, torkoal, rotom-w, pult). beating volc is definitely a valid reason for the above mons to run tera fire, but it’s not the only reason.
again, i think looking at a regularly-updated tera index would be a cool way to measure a mon’s effect on the meta. i just don’t think it’s evidence rn that volc is broken.
Playing on my test account right now (1300-1400), trying out a sort of meme-y team with SpDef Shed Tail Orth + Tera Water Frosmoth... Holy hell is Shed Tail ever a problem.
Minus me getting blasted by Tusks because I'm still getting used to using Orthworm, Shed Tail has just put in too much work. Being able to pass to any of my other threads is just obscene. Trying PhysDef Orth now to see how that functions, but man... This is absolutely stupid at how well Shed Tail is working.
Edit: Tried out Phys Orth. Works pretty well, but is a little less secure than SpDef variant. I still like it though. The amount of games I've won on the back of Shed Tail plays is wild though.
Minus me getting blasted by Tusks because I'm still getting used to using Orthworm, Shed Tail has just put in too much work. Being able to pass to any of my other threads is just obscene. Trying PhysDef Orth now to see how that functions, but man... This is absolutely stupid at how well Shed Tail is working.
Edit: Tried out Phys Orth. Works pretty well, but is a little less secure than SpDef variant. I still like it though. The amount of games I've won on the back of Shed Tail plays is wild though.
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as much as i'd love to see my boy ttar back at his full power, i do not want to have to deal with pursuit kingambit.
what i do hope for, though…
- i'm hoping against hope that movexit is partially reversed and a handful of transfer moves are allowed through. i miss stuff like return and niche tech like heal block, and we're all missing aromatherapy right now, but i honestly don't want hidden power back. i also really miss having a lot of stuff with defog, but i don't want scald, knock off or toxic to get their far-too-wide distribution again. i know this is way too arbitrary for them to implement, but a man can dream
- super hyped for the hisuian mons. it'll be pretty fun to snag free elo with basculegion for the 20 minutes or so that last respects is legal, samurott-h seems like a goated hazard setter as do the qwils, and ursaluna's damage output is honestly absurd (although, having used and encountered it in randbats a decent amount, the low speed and lack of recovery really hurt it). also very excited for body press chesnaught. we made it chesnaughtchads
- last respects is getting banned and houndstone's dropping, probably all the way to untiered (it's an unmon without that move). they're gonna bring back pao and it'll use the meta as its litterbox again for a while, then magearna and urshifu will get the boot and pao will follow after a suspect test that probably isn't necessary. shed tail might go (although the tide is already turning against it, so god willing it goes before then), in which case cyclizar will drop to ru.
iron ball switching into sticky web, obviously
I hate how this is definitely going to be accurate. People still cry about Pao being gone and I just know that they're gonna hang on to it for as long as humanly possible.
1. I’m kinda expecting movepools to be locked to that Gen only from now on so I’m not really expecting much Though I do hope rillaboom gets to keep grassy glide and Shaymin is a surprise returning Pokémon I’d love to see shaymin Sky in OU.
2. im way more interested in the hisui Pokémon making their long awaited appearance. Sneasler had top 5 Pokémon in the tier potential arcanine is an insane wall breaker
3. I think the entire make up of the meta game is about to shift in a way I’m not sure we’ve seen before. We’ve had massive power jumps last year with home and the 2 DLC but I don’t remember it being entire paradigm shifts. S/V pre home/post week 1 bans was lacking 3 things.
1. Hazard removal that beat gholdengo
2. U-turn/volt turn Cores
3. Instant offense, especially on the physical side.
not to mention the unique hazard setters, the unique set up sweepers and the unique defensive options
it’s really gonna be a brand new eco system and because of that I think we end up seeing about half to a third of the currently banned Pokémon back either through an unbanning or a re-entry test.
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1. I feel kinda mixed on transfer moves once HOME comes around. On one hand I'd love to see Scale shot back on Garchomp, Knock off on Weavile and a few more defoggers, I also don't want everyone and their mother running knock and toxic all over the place. Also Gamefreak are pussies so hoping for pursuit is pointless
2. I've been hyping over the hisuian mons for a year now, can't wait to use my baby Hisuian Zoroark. As for returning pokemon the return of defensive staples such as Heatran, Lando, Torn etc. is gonna be great because as much as I adore my boy Great Tusk, it is annoying to have to use him on every team I make.
3. I really hope nothing that's banned now gets unbanned after HOME, it'd just be pointless and wasting time I don't think HOME brings anything to keep the banned mons in check.
1. A larger movepool for certain mons for sure if it does happen, like certain mons learning defog since the entry hazard remover number is so tight and is kind of annoying to pick from like 5 Pokémon.
2. I'm really hyped for Heatran and Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
3. Great question, I think maybe Magearna becomes too much?
Magearna will be the new Genesect? we will know after Home releases.
One thing I have been thinking, do you guys think that the powercreep would be enough to allow Darkrai on OU? With the dark void nerf is basically a special Weavile but in the other hand, OU doesn't have much special walls rn.
Came across this link with the Pokémon presents, if this is true, thoughts on dlc. Coming soon?
If that is true then there is not way that any current uber could drop even with new mons since tutors potentially can make them even stronger.
>pokemon cafe re-remix
>unova remakes 2 years after sinnoh
>celebrating 27 years
>ai-generated mystery dungeon
>dlc coming out within a week of the direct
>summer fucking break
>dp coming to switch online before rse
>pokemon sleep still being a thing
this isn't even good bait
also, what does this have to do with ou at all
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while I’m almost positive that’s fake. I would say move tutors and more Pokémon than the 130ish we expect to be added would make it MORE likely for them to get unbanned. All the Pokémon banned are actually pretty optimized meaning that it would take a revolutionary move for them to alter the moves they’re running.
Not to be the bearer of bad news but I don’t think Darkrai is confirmed to be on home this is the picture I’ve used
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- Especially with the Ability Patch now also working in reverse, I no longer have hope that HOME allows transfer moves. Even in Other Metas, I've had to cope accordingly.
- I am going to try my hardest to break the snot out of Enamorus and Scarf Hoopa-U the moment they drop. I've heard another's opinion that Enamorus's best set is (Contrary) Specs, but the first set I want to try is a Mixed Boots Contrary lure with Play Rough/Superpower/Earth Power/Taunt or Zen Headbutt, probably with Tera Ground to really smash Skeledirge's face open. While this set can have trouble with Air Balloon Gholdengo (and honestly, Gholdengo period unless I Tera Ground), Enamorus is going to make all those Great Tusks running Ground/Fighting/Knock Off/Rapid Spin really regret not running Ice Spinner. That defensive typing being better than Iron Valiant's will matter. Hoopa-U's best set is likely to be Scarf because Gholdengo making the benchmark mediocre base Speed 84 instead of Hoopa-U's 80 will hurt it quite a lot. However, Scarf Hoopa-U still outspeeds Timid Specs Dragapult and OHKOs it, it has a variety of ways to break open everything but possibly Magearna (thanks, weak Fire Punch), and yes, it gets friggin' Knock Off! Hoopa-U also has uninvested special bulk so absolutely formidable that Booster Energy Iron Valiant fails to OHKO it with super-effective Moonblast, while Scarf Chi-Yu has the slimmest of chances to OHKO it with Overheat, and Choice Specs Iron Moth has an around 30% chance to OHKO it with Overheat. If Urshifu-S is a semi-lock to get hauled to Ubers fast thanks to forcing too many Tera Fairys because none of the actual Fairies but Magearna can take 2-3 hits, then Hoopa-U is at least getting dangerously close. In the meantime, I actually kinda fail to see how Lando-I and Urshifu-R are as ban-worthy as Spectrier; in particular, I see a long and grindy suspect test at worst for Urshifu-R despite it getting Swords Dance.
- The much-touted Last Respects ban seems fairly likely to happen, so Houndstone goes free and crippled. There is an OK chance that Shed Tail is banned and Cyclizar drops (and then Tornadus-T takes Cyclizar's lunch). Annihilape seems the most likely other Ubers mon to drop, then hates seeing Enamorus and Tornadus-T but still sits on stall. Tera probably gets suspected again not long after.
Kanto Tauros: Probably bad outside of mixed Sheer Force sets (I doubt LO Blizzard OHKOs Tusk).
Kanto Articuno: Needs Tera to be viable. Tera Water + Freeze Dry is perfect coverage, Tera Electric + Ice Beam is very close to that. Add Roost and Sub/Hurricane and you have a decent Mon, but it really needs Tera.
Galar Articuno: Trolls Lando with Competitive. Tera allows to get rid of the crappy typing but it isn't as desperate as Kanto version.
Kanto Zapdos: God Mon. Lost Defog but not offensive potential. Checks lots of threats, like Tusk.
Galar Zapdos: Another God Mon that is only really checked by the Kanto version (pretty sure Gholdengo can be bypassed with Band Tera). Abuses Lando hard.
Kanto Moltres: Flame Body enjoyer, Tusk check, rain sweeper, etc. Lots of Tera potential.
Galar Moltres: Will sweep unprepared teams, one of the best Ghost checks out there.
Mewtwo: Uber.
Mew: Lost many moves, but still very annoying, especially as a suicide lead. Would ban it, but Smogon won't.
Alolan Muk: One of the best defensive Mons. Enjoys the absence of Gliscor, Restalk + Knock combined with Poison Touch will beat many teams.
Alolan Dugtrio: Actual Sand sweeper? Probably too frail for it.
Alolan Persian: Fur Coat + Tera allows this Mon to check what it wants. Needs Rest to stick around though.
Alolan Raichu: Pincurchin gains another friend!
Galar Slowbro: Oh, right, another HO Cheesmon. People will want the ability banned, I disagree, the more hax present in the meta, the better.
Galar Slowking: Was overrated last Gen, but Chilly Reception combined with the ability to change type makes it actually good.
Hisui Electrode: Overall bad, but Tera Ice might have some use to gain almost perfect coverage. Unlike other Mons, it has Grass Stab to not get walled by Gastro. Needs huge support though.
Hisui Arcanine: Kinda walled by Garchomp, but Rock Head STABs are fun with Band.
Johto Typhlosion: Charizard is a better Sun wallbreaker, but Typhlosion walls Charizard with Flash Fire and still throws Eruptions.
Hisui Typhlosion: No Blacephalon means this is going to be a decent Mon, it's faster than Skeledirge, so it's not outclassed.
Kyogre: Uber.
Groudon: Uber.
Rayquaza: Uber.
Uxie: Tera Poison or Electric will be hard to take down, but it struggles to diferenciate from Cresselia, except for Rocks, Memento and U-Turn.
Mesprit: Pure Psychic outclassed by everything.
Azelf: Suicide lead and fun Tera NP sweeper.
Dialga (both forms) : Uber.
Palkia (both forms) : Uber.
Heatran: Fuck this Mon, probably the Mon whose dominance across the Gens I hate the most. Tera gives him even more options but at least it lost Toxic. This Means that I can send Roost Roaring Mon and he has to use Dragon Pulse or Body Press to do something.
Giratina-A: Should start Uber for sure, but could be retested. Rest now has 8 PPs and every offensive Mon has coverage for it. It will still be hard to break and can even sweep with CM, but I don't think it will be impossible level to break and the 4 slot syndrome its present ( Rest is a must. Without Shadow Ball Gholdengo comes for free. Without either WoW or Roar, everything set ups on Giratina,but Defog and Sleep Talk are also wanted ). It's a cool Defogger that can hit Gholdengo with STAB Shadow Ball and at the same time be a spinblocker itself.
Giratina-O: Now, this is still an obvious Uber.
Cresselia: Tera and the exclusive moves give this Mon potential in a type of teams.
Arceus (all formes) : Uber. Yes, even Bug form. Especially Bug form.
Unovan Samurott: Bad and outclassed.
Hisui Samurott: Very good with the move that does damage and sets Spikes. Hatterene doesn't like this.
Tornadus-I: Tailwind goon, otherwise use T.
Tornadus-T: Lost lots of Mons, but still is an offensive Regenerator Mon, so will still be dominant.
Thundurus-I: Tera Ice + NP is the definition of high risk, high reward Mon.
Thundurus-T: This on the other hand is better with Tera Water to abuse Volt Absorb even better, having only weakness to Grass.
Landorus-I: It lost some moves, but don't commit the same mistake of giving him a chance, it's still an obvious Uber that now even has NP and the ability to change typing.
Landorus-T: Even without Toxic, Defog and Knock Off, this is still desthroning Tusk as the best Mon, it's versatile, powerful and bulky.
Meloetta: Tera will increase this Mon use, Relic Song is fun.
Zoroark-Hisui: No, this is not an excuse to retest Annihilape. Probably a decent Mon though, with a those immunities.
Braviary Hisui: Idk if this is better than Galar Articuno.
Lilligant Hisui: Due to Hustle, this Mon is broken and terrible at the same time. Will make ragequit many players who use it and face it.
Delphox: Can now get rid of the typing and be a decently powerful Mon that doesn't die to everything.
Chesnaught: Decent defensive Spiker that checks stuff. The less Knock Off users, the better for it. Probably bulky enough to survive to Wave Crashes from Band Adamant Tera Water Floatzel in Rain and even if not, Spiky Shield at least wears it down and stalls the Rain turns.
Carbink: Only useful in Nuzzlockes that don't allow Legendaries like Diancie, which is the same Mon, but better.
Diancie: Tornadus check that puts Rocks but has 4 move slot syndrome and no recovery outside of Rest. Not entirely bad, but hard to use. At least learns Trick Room...
Hoopa: Powerful Shadow Balls time. Can change typing to not die from the first random Knock Off.
Hoopa-U: It was already close to broken without Tera, but with it, I can't see this Mon staying.
Volcanion: The weather abusser and punisher, now can remove the Rocks weakness to either be even more powerful, or become Ground with just 2 weaknesses.
Hisui Avalugg: Why couldn't this be Ice Steel? Has worse Stats than Kalos version and since you gonna Tera it anyway, has almost no use.
Hisui Goodra: This is what a well made Duraludon should have been. High Stats, solid typing and good movepool. Won't dominate, but will be a useful wall (with AV or Restalk) or wallbreaker (Specs)
Alola Decidueye: Defogger not blocked by Gholdengo. Can change type to abuse Spirit Shackle better. Still slow and frail.
Hisui Decidueye: Stronger but still slow and frail. Scrappy and the move it has give it some potential.
Magearna: For me, only one move make this Mon an Uber: Trick. It still has Trick, so it's still broken with Specs, as every single what would be checks is crippled with Trick.
Rillaboom: Even with the huge movepool lose, this will be viable with Band Wood Hammer and his friend Magnezone.
Inteleon: Why would I use this ugly Mon when Greninja exists?
Zacian (both forms) : Due to the nerf his ability received, it's now much worse than it used to be and therefore can be retested... in Ubers.
Zamazenta (Hero) : I see this the most likely former Uber to come down. Pure Fight is a bad typing and it's not strong enough to break the Tier in my opinion. It is however useful vs other offensive teams, which is a good thing.
Zamazenta (Crown) : This is the least likely Mon to be balanced in OU due to godly typing and Stats, but can still be tested AFTER both Hero form and Giratina-A.
Eternatus: Uber.
Urshifu-S: Uber.
Urshifu-R: High chance of being Uber due to SD. This can change with Giratina-A and Zamazenta in the meta, however.
Zarude: Gained SD... Don't we have enough Grass Dark Mons in the meta, though? I include Wo-Chien in this list.
Regieleki: With Tera Ice this is a broken Mon, no way around that. But ok, allow it in OU for my beloved Iron Treads to finally shine.
Regidrago: Terablast allows it to destroy fairies. Still probably balanced though, it's not too fast.
Glastrier: Changing typing makes it better than it used to be, but the Speed will still limit it.
Spectrier: If it gained Moonblast, I would consider giving it a chance in OU. With the cancerous Draining Kiss (I would Dexit this move if I could), no way, go straight to Ubers.
Calyrex: Ugly and bad.
Calyrex when on a horse: Less ugly and broken.
Wyrdeer: Intimidate looks like the only thing going for it.
Kleavor: Very good Mon, mostly for Stone Axe putting Rocks and doing damage. Hatterene doesn't like this, again.
Ursaluna: Extremely powerful wallbreaker that will be very hard to use. Trick Room gains another abuser.
Basculegion: With Last Respects out of the way, this is still a very powerful Rain sweeper, both with Swift Swim and Adaptability.
Sneasler: Dire Claw looks fun... except for those facing it. Very good Mon.
Overqwil: Cute and strong. Has competition with Alolan Muk, but SD, Intimidate, hazards and bigger physical bulk differentiate it enough.
Enamorus (both forms) : Typing and Stats alone make them OU (unless both are viable, which would make them competr between them and bring usage down due to Species Clause).
Things I want to return:
-Houndstone
-Chien Pao (I know it's broken, but it's fun)
-Victini
-Meganium with some new toys.
-Centiskorch
-Weezing
-Primarina
-Tangrowth
-Ninetales and Sandslash
-Dhelmise
-Knock Off, but only to Weavile and Krookodile
-Roost, but only to Scizor
-Megas
Things that I don't want to return:
-Banned Mons outside of Houndstone and Chien Pao.
-Transferable moves.
-Every legendary not named Victini. Especially all the Alolan ones, fuck them all.
-Gliscor
-Clefable
Kanto Articuno: Needs Tera to be viable. Tera Water + Freeze Dry is perfect coverage, Tera Electric + Ice Beam is very close to that. Add Roost and Sub/Hurricane and you have a decent Mon, but it really needs Tera.
Galar Articuno: Trolls Lando with Competitive. Tera allows to get rid of the crappy typing but it isn't as desperate as Kanto version.
Kanto Zapdos: God Mon. Lost Defog but not offensive potential. Checks lots of threats, like Tusk.
Galar Zapdos: Another God Mon that is only really checked by the Kanto version (pretty sure Gholdengo can be bypassed with Band Tera). Abuses Lando hard.
Kanto Moltres: Flame Body enjoyer, Tusk check, rain sweeper, etc. Lots of Tera potential.
Galar Moltres: Will sweep unprepared teams, one of the best Ghost checks out there.
Mewtwo: Uber.
Mew: Lost many moves, but still very annoying, especially as a suicide lead. Would ban it, but Smogon won't.
Alolan Muk: One of the best defensive Mons. Enjoys the absence of Gliscor, Restalk + Knock combined with Poison Touch will beat many teams.
Alolan Dugtrio: Actual Sand sweeper? Probably too frail for it.
Alolan Persian: Fur Coat + Tera allows this Mon to check what it wants. Needs Rest to stick around though.
Alolan Raichu: Pincurchin gains another friend!
Galar Slowbro: Oh, right, another HO Cheesmon. People will want the ability banned, I disagree, the more hax present in the meta, the better.
Galar Slowking: Was overrated last Gen, but Chilly Reception combined with the ability to change type makes it actually good.
Hisui Electrode: Overall bad, but Tera Ice might have some use to gain almost perfect coverage. Unlike other Mons, it has Grass Stab to not get walled by Gastro. Needs huge support though.
Hisui Arcanine: Kinda walled by Garchomp, but Rock Head STABs are fun with Band.
Johto Typhlosion: Charizard is a better Sun wallbreaker, but Typhlosion walls Charizard with Flash Fire and still throws Eruptions.
Hisui Typhlosion: No Blacephalon means this is going to be a decent Mon, it's faster than Skeledirge, so it's not outclassed.
Kyogre: Uber.
Groudon: Uber.
Rayquaza: Uber.
Uxie: Tera Poison or Electric will be hard to take down, but it struggles to diferenciate from Cresselia, except for Rocks, Memento and U-Turn.
Mesprit: Pure Psychic outclassed by everything.
Azelf: Suicide lead and fun Tera NP sweeper.
Dialga (both forms) : Uber.
Palkia (both forms) : Uber.
Heatran: Fuck this Mon, probably the Mon whose dominance across the Gens I hate the most. Tera gives him even more options but at least it lost Toxic. This Means that I can send Roost Roaring Mon and he has to use Dragon Pulse or Body Press to do something.
Giratina-A: Should start Uber for sure, but could be retested. Rest now has 8 PPs and every offensive Mon has coverage for it. It will still be hard to break and can even sweep with CM, but I don't think it will be impossible level to break and the 4 slot syndrome its present ( Rest is a must. Without Shadow Ball Gholdengo comes for free. Without either WoW or Roar, everything set ups on Giratina,but Defog and Sleep Talk are also wanted ). It's a cool Defogger that can hit Gholdengo with STAB Shadow Ball and at the same time be a spinblocker itself.
Giratina-O: Now, this is still an obvious Uber.
Cresselia: Tera and the exclusive moves give this Mon potential in a type of teams.
Arceus (all formes) : Uber. Yes, even Bug form. Especially Bug form.
Unovan Samurott: Bad and outclassed.
Hisui Samurott: Very good with the move that does damage and sets Spikes. Hatterene doesn't like this.
Tornadus-I: Tailwind goon, otherwise use T.
Tornadus-T: Lost lots of Mons, but still is an offensive Regenerator Mon, so will still be dominant.
Thundurus-I: Tera Ice + NP is the definition of high risk, high reward Mon.
Thundurus-T: This on the other hand is better with Tera Water to abuse Volt Absorb even better, having only weakness to Grass.
Landorus-I: It lost some moves, but don't commit the same mistake of giving him a chance, it's still an obvious Uber that now even has NP and the ability to change typing.
Landorus-T: Even without Toxic, Defog and Knock Off, this is still desthroning Tusk as the best Mon, it's versatile, powerful and bulky.
Meloetta: Tera will increase this Mon use, Relic Song is fun.
Zoroark-Hisui: No, this is not an excuse to retest Annihilape. Probably a decent Mon though, with a those immunities.
Braviary Hisui: Idk if this is better than Galar Articuno.
Lilligant Hisui: Due to Hustle, this Mon is broken and terrible at the same time. Will make ragequit many players who use it and face it.
Delphox: Can now get rid of the typing and be a decently powerful Mon that doesn't die to everything.
Chesnaught: Decent defensive Spiker that checks stuff. The less Knock Off users, the better for it. Probably bulky enough to survive to Wave Crashes from Band Adamant Tera Water Floatzel in Rain and even if not, Spiky Shield at least wears it down and stalls the Rain turns.
Carbink: Only useful in Nuzzlockes that don't allow Legendaries like Diancie, which is the same Mon, but better.
Diancie: Tornadus check that puts Rocks but has 4 move slot syndrome and no recovery outside of Rest. Not entirely bad, but hard to use. At least learns Trick Room...
Hoopa: Powerful Shadow Balls time. Can change typing to not die from the first random Knock Off.
Hoopa-U: It was already close to broken without Tera, but with it, I can't see this Mon staying.
Volcanion: The weather abusser and punisher, now can remove the Rocks weakness to either be even more powerful, or become Ground with just 2 weaknesses.
Hisui Avalugg: Why couldn't this be Ice Steel? Has worse Stats than Kalos version and since you gonna Tera it anyway, has almost no use.
Hisui Goodra: This is what a well made Duraludon should have been. High Stats, solid typing and good movepool. Won't dominate, but will be a useful wall (with AV or Restalk) or wallbreaker (Specs)
Alola Decidueye: Defogger not blocked by Gholdengo. Can change type to abuse Spirit Shackle better. Still slow and frail.
Hisui Decidueye: Stronger but still slow and frail. Scrappy and the move it has give it some potential.
Magearna: For me, only one move make this Mon an Uber: Trick. It still has Trick, so it's still broken with Specs, as every single what would be checks is crippled with Trick.
Rillaboom: Even with the huge movepool lose, this will be viable with Band Wood Hammer and his friend Magnezone.
Inteleon: Why would I use this ugly Mon when Greninja exists?
Zacian (both forms) : Due to the nerf his ability received, it's now much worse than it used to be and therefore can be retested... in Ubers.
Zamazenta (Hero) : I see this the most likely former Uber to come down. Pure Fight is a bad typing and it's not strong enough to break the Tier in my opinion. It is however useful vs other offensive teams, which is a good thing.
Zamazenta (Crown) : This is the least likely Mon to be balanced in OU due to godly typing and Stats, but can still be tested AFTER both Hero form and Giratina-A.
Eternatus: Uber.
Urshifu-S: Uber.
Urshifu-R: High chance of being Uber due to SD. This can change with Giratina-A and Zamazenta in the meta, however.
Zarude: Gained SD... Don't we have enough Grass Dark Mons in the meta, though? I include Wo-Chien in this list.
Regieleki: With Tera Ice this is a broken Mon, no way around that. But ok, allow it in OU for my beloved Iron Treads to finally shine.
Regidrago: Terablast allows it to destroy fairies. Still probably balanced though, it's not too fast.
Glastrier: Changing typing makes it better than it used to be, but the Speed will still limit it.
Spectrier: If it gained Moonblast, I would consider giving it a chance in OU. With the cancerous Draining Kiss (I would Dexit this move if I could), no way, go straight to Ubers.
Calyrex: Ugly and bad.
Calyrex when on a horse: Less ugly and broken.
Wyrdeer: Intimidate looks like the only thing going for it.
Kleavor: Very good Mon, mostly for Stone Axe putting Rocks and doing damage. Hatterene doesn't like this, again.
Ursaluna: Extremely powerful wallbreaker that will be very hard to use. Trick Room gains another abuser.
Basculegion: With Last Respects out of the way, this is still a very powerful Rain sweeper, both with Swift Swim and Adaptability.
Sneasler: Dire Claw looks fun... except for those facing it. Very good Mon.
Overqwil: Cute and strong. Has competition with Alolan Muk, but SD, Intimidate, hazards and bigger physical bulk differentiate it enough.
Enamorus (both forms) : Typing and Stats alone make them OU (unless both are viable, which would make them competr between them and bring usage down due to Species Clause).
Things I want to return:
-Houndstone
-Chien Pao (I know it's broken, but it's fun)
-Victini
-Meganium with some new toys.
-Centiskorch
-Weezing
-Primarina
-Tangrowth
-Ninetales and Sandslash
-Dhelmise
-Knock Off, but only to Weavile and Krookodile
-Roost, but only to Scizor
-Megas
Things that I don't want to return:
-Banned Mons outside of Houndstone and Chien Pao.
-Transferable moves.
-Every legendary not named Victini. Especially all the Alolan ones, fuck them all.
-Gliscor
-Clefable
Also Gamefreak are pussies so hoping for pursuit is pointless
I'm curious, what do people miss about Pursuit/Pursuit-trapping? I'm low-ELO/haven't played much old OU to figure out how to build around it I guess - but the move has felt pretty bad to get hit by every time because it seems pretty hard to work around.
it has the ability "compound eyes" which boosts the accuracy of your moves by 30%, this ability synergizes well with sleep powder(which is now slightly less accurate than spore), and the STAB hurricane.
also it has been gifted with quiver dance.
it was a gimmick just for fun, I wouldn't call it competitively viable.
if I had to put it in a viability list I would put it on the very bottom.
I experimented a little with armarouge as an anti-fire pokemon.
it performed okay.
it can cause trouble to all fire users except from volcarona.
the dark tera type is to defend its self against the ghost-type attacks of ceruledge dragapult and skeledigre.
Armarouge @ Assault Vest
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Armor Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Psyshock
- Dark Pulse
it performed okay.
it can cause trouble to all fire users except from volcarona.
the dark tera type is to defend its self against the ghost-type attacks of ceruledge dragapult and skeledigre.
Armarouge @ Assault Vest
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Armor Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Psyshock
- Dark Pulse
smogon needs to update the "usually useless" moves.
ceruledge's bitter blade is STILL classified as usually useless although it is its most common move.
ceruledge's bitter blade is STILL classified as usually useless although it is its most common move.
Similarly to this other question I had earlier - if Last Respects gets banned, do you see Houndstone staying in OU or does it fall to the lower tiers?
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