Resource SV Ubers Viability Rankings

[H!kari]

I find it really weird that Iron Treads is currently listed as unrated it deserves its spot back in C tier at least.

I've been using the following set in the high 1400s and have had a lot of success using it as the sole ground type on my team.

Iron Treads @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Atk / 224 SpD / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin

This set only takes 45% maximum damage from a Timid, Specs Miraidon's Draco meteor. With Tera ground it can live 2 overheats from Timid, specs Miraidon. Timid, life orb Miraidon only has a 37% chance to 1hko with Overheat, while Treads is guaranteed to live an Overheat from scarfed Miraidon. Thanks Hadron Engine activating Treads quark drive, attack boost it is also guaranteed to kill Miraidon with an Earthquake as long as Miraidon doesn't Tera off electric.

With only HP investment, +1 jolly, Zacian only has a 41% to 3hko with behemoth blade, while Treads can 2hko max hp Zacian. Zacians only move that threatens Treads is close combat with has fallen out of popularity because of Skelidirge. But even then close combat is a roll to 1hko and is a guaranteed 2hko if Zacian loses its intrepid sword boost. Earthquake also has a 50% to 1hko Zacian after a Def drop.

Treads can also switch in reasonably well to Choice locked Koraidons that you predict not to use flare blitz, it can live a sun boosted, choice Specs mystical fire from Fluttermane and 1hko it back with Iron Head, and it also threatens out Skelidirge with Earthquake or forces it to Tera if it wants to stay in.

Treads also provides valuable niches with access to knock off, rapid spin Treads can easily switch into a choice locked Miraidon and get a free knock off on the incoming switch. Potentially knocking off a Ting-Lu's leftovers or a Koraidon's scarf. Additionally Treads is a hazard remover naturally immune to toxic spikes and the only hazard remover in the game that doesn't worsen your team's defensive profile against Miraidon.

Treads also has access to stealth rocks and volt switch as two easy options to make progress or gain momentum off of the switches a defensive Treads can force.

This is all without mentioning Tread's booster speed lead sets which can catch opponents off guard with steam beam, Tera blast ice to counter the popular lead Landorus, or just get up rocks. And thanks to the ubiquity of electric terrain in the tier Treads can burn its booster energy early in the game and reactive its speed boost against Miraidon as it outspeeds all non-scarfed variants.

I think that Treads ability to counter the prominent special threats in the tier (Miraidon and Fluttermane) and its good utility in knock off and rapid spin. Combined with the strength of Quark Drive in a Miraidon dominated tier should earn Treads a spot on the VR.

I nominate it for a rank of C+ as while Treads is an amazing defensive pokemon with good utility. It is unfortunately held back by its ground weakness in a meta games where every team requires at least 1 ground type and many like to run 2. The ubiquity of Earthquake on Arceus and Arceus-Ground also holds it back from a higher rank in my eyes.

 

[Fc]

We did a quick vote slate for the new Pokemon to get it up for this weekend as we have flying economy tour going on which depends on the VR, and we voted on all new potentially viable drops as well as a few Pokemon with notable movepool additions.

Darkrai NEW -> D
Shaymin-Sky NEW -> C+
Gliscor NEW -> C
Ogerpon NEW -> C-
Ribombee NEW -> C+

Alomomola C- -> C
Baxcalibur UR -> D (Was banned recently so despite being voted UR it goes to D rank as an Ubers tier Pokemon)
Calyrex-Ice B- -> B

Voting Sheet

 

[Waruchuu]

Ogerpon in C- includes all forms, right? They are not yet separated into different viabilities like Arceus and everything other than Teal Mask being UR

 

[Taka]

Ogerpon in C- includes all forms, right? They are not yet separated into different viabilities like Arceus and everything other than Teal Mask being UR

Yes, it includes all forms for now

 

[ox04]

Wait why's Ekiller still only B+? The rise of HO and Korai using Scale Shot make it twice as good right now.

 

[OreoSpeedruns]

Wait why's Ekiller still only B+? The rise of HO and Korai using Scale Shot make it twice as good right now.

I second this. Even without HO and Scale Shot Korai in the picture, I think it’s still good enough to be ranked A-. +2 Tera Normal Extreme Speed is very strong and drops a lotta scary stuff in this tier, like Koraidon, Miraidon, Kyogre, and Eternatus. Lando-T and Gira-O can stand up to Espeed, but they really don’t like losing a lotta health since they don’t have reliable recovery and are often used to help against other stuff. It’s also very, VERY good with Ting-Lu’s Spikes, even moreso than many other mons thanks to its absurd cleaning potential. Ofc it’s not amazing but imo Ekiller is the poster A- mon in this meta.

Ribombee NEW -> C+
Calyrex-Ice B- -> B

vr council move ribombee to b and caly to b+ or i’ll get angy

On a serious note, Ribombee being faster than Taunt Arceus is huge for webs, as it means webs can reliably get down webs and go to work. Actually threatening Gira-O and forcing Tera or a switch from Korai makes a big difference as well. It’s got Stun Spore for further good support as good Grasses are in short supply in this tier. Webs are good again and I will die on that hill and so Ribombee should be in B.

Caly-I getting High Horsepower back is very good for it. Its problem before was that it needed to commit to Tera Ground if it wanted to get past Skeledirge, but now it no longer does. (252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skeledirge: 196-232 (47.6 - 56.4%) -- 83.6% chance to 2HKO) This on its own makes its SD Trick Room set very threatening, imo much more threatening than B rank suggests.

 

[bdt2002]

I’ve had some pretty contentious takes in Past Gens OU tiers semi-recently, but even if this a short-term meta shift, I cannot in good faith allow this… thing to languish in the lower end of B Tier in a Scale Shot meta.



Grimmsnarl should be at least A tier, maybe even a bit higher. Screens have the potential to be broken in this meta, and the importance of being able to switch reliably into Dragon-Types cannot be overstated. Behind its own Light Screen, Grimmsnarl can potentially become one of the best checks in the tier to Miraidon too. The only things I see holding this Pokémon back are its lack of recovery on the standard set and its inability to Taunt bulky Dark-Types that would otherwise be a bit more scared of taking on its Fairy STAB.

 

[PatheticAce]

I’ve had some pretty contentious takes in Past Gens OU tiers semi-recently, but even if this a short-term meta shift, I cannot in good faith allow this… thing to languish in the lower end of B Tier in a Scale Shot meta.



Grimmsnarl should be at least A tier, maybe even a bit higher. Screens have the potential to be broken in this meta, and the importance of being able to switch reliably into Dragon-Types cannot be overstated. Behind its own Light Screen, Grimmsnarl can potentially become one of the best checks in the tier to Miraidon too. The only things I see holding this Pokémon back are its lack of recovery on the standard set and its inability to Taunt bulky Dark-Types that would otherwise be a bit more scared of taking on its Fairy STAB.

Grimmsnarl is never seen outside of screens hyper offense, which isn't a dominant enough playstyle for it to reach A rank solely based off of that imo.

 

[bdt2002]

Grimmsnarl is never seen outside of screens hyper offense, which isn't a dominant enough playstyle for it to reach A rank solely based off of that imo.

Admittedly I’m not caught up enough with the current metagame to see how true of a statement that is, but what I will say is that this archetype has a very high ceiling. Making good calcs can make or break an Ubers game, and Screens (specifically with Light Clay) seems like one of the easiest ways to flip matchups on their heads with damage mitigation. I see Screens similar to how a lot of people see Sticky Web- reliant on non-Ubers setters you wouldn’t think can add much to a team, but devastating with explored team support. I personally enjoy bulky Magic Bounce Hatterene with this thing, the two of which make for a surprisingly fitting pairing supporting the powerful win conditions in this tier.

If you don’t think Grimmsnarl itself is that good in this meta (enough for a higher ranking) I can definitely understand where you’re coming from, but you guys have to admit Screens has some very underrated potential right now that I hope gets explored some more.

 

[All your base are belong to us]

I actually think firepon should be above the other ogerpons, since it synergizes quite nicely with koraidon's sun and if it gets a set up opportunity through trailblaze or SD it can become decently threatening. That +1 to attack and Great synergy with sun is enough I think to put it a subrank or two above the other 3 ogerpons.

 

[Shadow Zangoose]

Now that Bursaluna has been banned from OU, it can be given a proper rating, which is...

NEW -> D

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, Bursaluna is gonna be terrible here. It's bulk and pure power in OU are just average in Ubers, and it's really held down by its speed. Koraidon and Miraidon can easily OHKO it with any of their viable sets. It might be able to do a bit with Tera Ground (It can 2HKO Zacian-C with Earth Power, but it still has to worry about Play Rough having a decent chance to 2HKO without Leftovers), but it's hard to see a reason to use it over other Ground types such as Groundceus, Groudon, and Ting-Lu, who can all do well without Tera. The only real niche I can see is it can be a decent Giratina-O switch-in that can hit it back with STAB Blood Moon, but if you go against a Special-based one then Draco just cooks it.

 

[Talpr0ne]

Where is Heartflame Mask Ogerpon ranked? The one appearing in the rankings is Teal Mask Ogerpon.

 

[ox04]

Where is Heartflame Mask Ogerpon ranked? The one appearing in the rankings is Teal Mask Ogerpon.

Pretty sure Ogerpon's forms aren't all ranked differently, rather the one you see represents all Ogerpon forms.

 

[Talpr0ne]

Pretty sure Ogerpon's forms aren't all ranked differently, rather the one you see represents all Ogerpon forms.

I don't get why it would be this way since that would be like ranking every Arceus under the same rank, but okay.

 

[ox04]

I don't get why it would be this way since that would be like ranking every Arceus under the same rank, but okay.

You're right but unlike Arceus, Ogerpon isn't top tier and was released very recently. That's why Ogerpon is ranked like this for now.

 

[Fusion Flare]

If you ask me, Hearthflame is at least worthy of C-. It’s ability to utterly terrorize defensive cores with Mold Breaker and Swords Dance at least provides some merit, and it at least can eat one hit from Zacian-C. It would likely be a decent fit on webs.

The others are… bad. I can only think of Wellspring shitting all over Kyogre.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I don't get why it would be this way since that would be like ranking every Arceus under the same rank, but okay.

Plenty of Arceus forms are ranked the same. Over half are D rank, aka unviable

 

[Taka]

If you ask me, Hearthflame is at least worthy of C-. It’s ability to utterly terrorize defensive cores with Mold Breaker and Swords Dance at least provides some merit, and it at least can eat one hit from Zacian-C. It would likely be a decent fit on webs.

The others are… bad. I can only think of Wellspring shitting all over Kyogre.

it potentially could be worth C-, since it has a niche on webs and has (as of this week at least seen SCL usage). That said, it's still early on and faces competition from other breakers on webs, while worsening your overall MU into koraidon + miraidon without tera + a scuffed set

 

[Taka]

Just want to nominate a single mon:

Kyogre A to A+:

I think anyone playing right now knows how dominant Kyogre is, and how easily it claims vs standard builds, especially with the lowering usage of Toxapex + the increase in Landorus-T. Rain also adds a secondary check to Scale Shot Koraidon, and Kyogre's standard CM 3a and twave support sets are both incredibly potent at the moment, forcing Tera as counterplay or forcing a kill. Although it is prediction reliant at times, the risk/reward for predictions is generally in the Kyogre users favor, and being a less passive form of "counterplay" to Scale Shot Koraidon is always incredibly appreciated.

 

[katerina]

(normal) to top of A MINIMUM, OR low A+

my opinion on ekiller took a 180 turn; this mon is amazing. extreme speed is EXTREMELY valuable in a offense-heavy metagame like the one we have right now, mainly because of scale shot koraidon being as strong as it is (and how ekiller revenge kills it w ease) but also because threats like miraidon, kyogre, and weakened zac can get revenge killed as well; furthermore it can defensively check very hard mons to stop like flutter mane. it is REALLY good right now and is more than deserving of a rise.


to top of A+

dont get me wrong, this mon is insane too, but its just not on pair w korai and mirai as theyre both MILES above every other mon we have. zac is still extremely threatening however and a massive pain for offensive teams (and sometimes defensive teams, although it suffers from coverage issues) to deal with. its just like i said, korai and mirai are way above it and they both deserve to be the only S rank mons in the VR.

 

[LouisIX]

Some one liners:
Rise:
Arceus-Ground -> S
easily one of the most versatile mon in the tier alongside koraidon. DD set forces every sane team to run flying and tera flying but it still has tools to bypass them, let alone it can also run speical and support role as well, with healing wish it can even be a sounded lead. It just does everything and by the purpose of vr it should be at S all the time given how easy it can be used and how good it performed and how the meta shaped for it as well.

Arceus > A+(1)
Specialist. it can only do one thing but it does it in a professional way. When the meta becomes more and more chaotic where all sorts of strange offensive threat and some broken becomes more broken like koraidon, ekiller return to save us all. It does suffer from power output but ek is always better in an offensive meta.
Zamazenta-crown -> B-
Best anti sweeper against phyiscal spam. the ability to use zacian as set up fodder is crazy. also counters kingambit hard.
Ursaluna bloodmoon -> C
Scary trick room attacker. physical bulk is ubers level to support trading, so still rooms for exploring. Obviously viable.
Drop:
Ting-lu -> A(1)
Less miraidon nowadays (even if miraidon exist they may run solar beam which also hurts)+ glicsor competition+often getting abuse in teambuilder, its relying on ruination way more than before.
Skeledirge -> B+
very easy to get exploited and usually do nothing besides clicking slack off. still very effective against balance but definitely struggled a lot vs offense esp the thirve of solar beam miraidon and random taunt everywhere.
Mewtwo -> B-/C+
hardly viable as a defensive mon nowadays, and is just an average attacker which struggle to get pass tinglu overall.

 

[gabraltar]

Question from someone who doesnt play the meta: is there a chance that Scale Shot sends Koraidon to AG?

 

[bdt2002]

Question from someone who doesnt play the meta: is there a chance that Scale Shot sends Koraidon to AG?

Both as an answer to your question and as a general comment for anyone unaware of recent changes: Koraidon was recently, and I mean just recently banned from National Dex Ubers with Scale Shot being one of the factors mentioned in its suspect test. That being said, a National Dex ban doesn't always correlate with a quote "regular" ban- in fact, there are some bans that only happen in National Dex but not the official tiers, due to how different each metagame is with what's available in the team builder. So in conclusion, yes, there is a chance, but the chance is far from guaranteed as the Teal Mask Ubers meta is still in its early stages and the fact that NatDex Koraidon was arguably stronger than standard Koraidon anyways, at least in my opinion.

 

[katerina]

Question from someone who doesnt play the meta: is there a chance that Scale Shot sends Koraidon to AG?

is there a chance? yes, but it is very small. many users were speculating that scale shot would break koraidon before the release of the teal mask dlc. however, with the pletora of tournaments going on currently (the most important being scl) we are seeing this was nothing but an exaggeration. scale shot is kept in check by common pokemon, including scarf koraidon, extreme speed arceus, tera fairy pokemon like (defensive) landorus-therian, kyogre's rain, zacian-crowned, bulky arceus forms (fairy, water, even ground to an extent), amongst others. i would even say myself koraidon is pretty balanced and less broken than pre-home.
that being said however, the Tier Leaders did say that if koraidon ever proved itself to be too strong, at the bare minimum, a suspect test would happen after scl. so one can only wait

 

[bdt2002]

is there a chance? yes, but it is very small. many users were speculating that scale shot would break koraidon before the release of the teal mask dlc. however, with the pletora of tournaments going on currently (the most important being scl) we are seeing this was nothing but an exaggeration. scale shot is kept in check by common pokemon, including scarf koraidon, extreme speed arceus, tera fairy pokemon like (defensive) landorus-therian, kyogre's rain, zacian-crowned, bulky arceus forms (fairy, water, even ground to an extent), amongst others. i would even say myself koraidon is pretty balanced and less broken than pre-home.
that being said however, the Tier Leaders did say that if koraidon ever proved itself to be too strong, at the bare minimum, a suspect test would happen after scl. so one can only wait

This response does a great job of explaining something that honestly turns me away from playing the current generation of OU (and by extension Ubers) a lot of the time, and that's how easy it can be to over or under-estimate the viability of an unexplored prospect. Don't get me wrong, playing current generation battles can still be very enjoyable, but when a generation is in its prime, few things annoy me more as a much more casual player than thinking I've discovered some absolutely busted strats that in practice get shut down faster than a Choice Scarf Regieleki. But on the other side of the coin, you have Pokémon that do end up being great later down the line that people didn't think would be very good at all at first glance.

Again, I have nothing against this design philosophy. It's a natural part of competitive play in any series, after all. As annoying as over-estimating a cool Pokémon can be, there's a certain joy that comes from learning from my own mistakes as a player both in battles and the team builder that encourages me to research more about the metagame once things settle down. It just so happens that I find it much easier to do that with Past Gens is all. :)