I actually think Quaquaval becomes broken again. (Not that it wasn't already unhealthy to some degree even with Amoonguss and Dirge in the tier)I don't feel like ninetales dropping is the biggest deal with these drops, it's pretty nice for HO for sure, but it's not like Espeon or Grimmsnarl were struggling to set those up. No, the bigger issue is two extremely important defensive pieces being gone. And they happen to be decent stopgaps to a specific mon. I think it's gonna be time to catch those hands.
and gaining 
was one of the worst things that couldve happened imo 
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can check both of these guys, but I havent been liking it recently due to 
and 
, alongside the rising presence of 
, speaking of which, gmolt could also be a bit wacky without dirge, im less worried about it but im watching it and 
rising is huge. Both were A-Tier mons who added good defensive value to teams. Skeledirge's rise is more impactful though, as UU lost its only Unaware mon that was decently splashable on teams (sorry Clodsire). Which leads me to my next point... This mon is most likely busted again. No longer being forced to run Tera Fire or have some sort of coverage for Skeledirge frees it up so much. Veil HO is back! It chose the perfect time to drop, and it will be interesting to see what the most optimal veil HO team is.
, Two mons that also appreciate dirge's rise. Quaquaval in particular is no longer pressured to run brave bird for amoong, freeing up a moveslot for something like Knock Off to hit Slowbro/Slowking + Sinistcha. Cresselia hated having to deal with Skeledirge in the format, but now that its gone, it will definitely have more chances to set up than before (I wonder if the same can be said for some 
sets as well).How Espathra broke the tier in half during Alpha.
Choice band tera fight slither wing
I don't feel like ninetales dropping is the biggest deal with these drops, it's pretty nice for HO for sure, but it's not like Espeon or Grimmsnarl were struggling to set those up. No, the bigger issue is two extremely important defensive pieces being gone. And they happen to be decent stopgaps to a specific mon. I think it's gonna be time to catch those hands.
There’s this one memory early in the gen where I was battling Pif.
- 5 - 3Theres like no stall in uu as far as I can tell, dk about balance. Played a bit with band sets using reckless and it can threaten a lot of stuff out and can ohko a bunch of neutral targets and live a hit(Shocks, scizor, conk, infernape, g-moltres, quaquaval, kleavor, jirachi, gastrodon, hands with a little chip). Ghosts and psychics (sinistcha, leaves, gengar, slowking) also dont want to switch in to u turn or knock off. Only hard checks imo are moltres and g-weezing but Im probably extremely biased. From my experience its great at being fast wallbreaker especially with dirge and amoongus gone.
I would greatly appreciate if you could mentionned those Pokémon which are perfectly fine without Veil but suddenly are becoming too good or pushed over the edge solely due to Veil support. In my opinion, there is currently 2 Pokémon which are too good under Veil and those two are Iron Hands (obviously) and Moltres-Galar. Iron Hands is the biggest issue for sure and Moltres-Galar is also kinda iffy to deal with under Veil. However I struggle to find any Pokémon which would be too great under Veil and perfectly fine without this support. Other Pokémon such as Quaquaval, Salamence, Mamoswine, Scizor, Okidogi and so on can all mess over a lot of teams due to their setup moves and Tera shenanigans. Sure Aurora Veil support does make them better, but they are already great Pokémon which can be considered dangerous. There isn't any Pokémon which is becoming suddenly broken under Veil. Even Iron Hands is already an issue without Aurora Veil. This support just amplifies the issue. I personally don't think banning Aurora Veil will magically fix the tier and decreased the use of HO teams, they were already super common before shifts. People are just lazy to build right now because DLC is in less than a week and things gonna change a shit ton. Sure Veil is better than regular Screens setting enabled by things like Grimmsnarl, but banning Ninetales-Alola/Aurora Veil will not solve any issue, this will only lead people to use a different Screens setter. Even if those setters are worst than Ninetales-A, they will still work and lead to HO shenanigans. The issue right now, is the fact that we lost Skeledirge which was able to blanket check a shit ton of threats on the tier on its own. And we can even add the fact that we lost in two shifts many good staples for more defensive backbones and archetypes : Skeledirge, Alomomola and Amoonguss. This, is the real issue, not Aurora Veil.
While this is true, isn't it kinda unfair to not mention that it was the only new drop we got this month. To me, it makes sense that the tier would be littered with Veil HO for this reason alone. It's fairly easy to make a screen HO team and that in itself makes it easier to pick it up.
Maybe I am in the slight minority but you don't have to go that far out of your way to have a good matchup into Veil HO. There are plenty of standard team-building options at your disposal to help keep these offensive threats in line. Now of course it affects the builder but what you are describing is also the same effect rain may as well have on the tier. It exists and the playstyle is fairly decent, the countermeasures I would argue are more limited. I think it also goes back to what Moute said above about our core defensive staples leaving creating more gaps to try and cover everything. Below are just some of the things I have seen/used and I don't feel like they require going out of your way to incorporate. Especially on the defensive end given we lost our best defensive glues.
Kind of a nitpick but I don't see how these calcs support action on Veil. If you used Grimm and set Reflect it's the same thing. Yeah, Alola-Tales is a better Pokemon but you'd still get the same scenario. Hell if anything these specific examples are worse in Alola-Tale's case because if Snow is up you give them a Defense boost. It matters more in Mamoswine's case because you would eat +1 Outrage here.
