Team Scrapped, Looking to Trade for Whole New Team...Gah! Please Help :) :)

tinox6

-----------EDIT------------------------- Looking to build and trade for new team! I do not need to trade for items and I will EV train myself. I just need the right IVs and the moves/abilities unless they are learned by leveling up. Thank you so much!!

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Scizor - Technician - Adament - Occa Berry - 252 Atk/252 Hp
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
Superpower
Protect

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Rotom-W - Levitate - Modest - Sitrus Berry - 252 Hp/252 Spe
Thunder Bolt
Hydro Pump
Hidden Power Ice
Protect

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Hitmontop - Technician - Adamant - Life Orb - 252 Hp/252 Atk
Fake Out
Mach Punch
Sucker Punch
Detect or Wide Guard (which is better here?)

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Abomasnow - Snow Warning - Quiet - Focus Sash - 252 Hp/252 SpA **0 Speed IV**
Blizzard
Giga Drain
Ice Shard
Protect

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Chandelure - Flash Fire - Timid - Fire Gem - 252 Spa/252 Spe
Heat Wave
Shadow ball
Trick Room
Psychic

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Garchomp - 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP - Jolly - Expert Belt - Sand Veil **I have the Garchomp**
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Protect
Rock Slide

The idea is to use Scizor and Rotom to combo well by having good type advantage over many common threats. Abomasnow helps with weather teams, Garchomp helps with dragons, Chandy is good to switch into when SNow or Scizor is about to get hit with a fire attack, and Hitmontop is the fake out/mach punch user.

I'll happily take all the help I can get!! Thanks guys!
 
I'm going to start off by saying that your strategy should not be to "take advantages of all weaknesses". You should also not be trying to counter specific Pokemon. Honestly ZapChomp is a textbook strategy and is easily predictable.

Your explanations for the sets aren't very good, having different typings does not guarantee you will OHKO anything. In doubles you don't have to rely on one Pokemon to counter everything, that's why they have partners. You do not have to be able to OHKO everything, which is why I'm wondering why you chose what you did with your movesets, items, and ev spreads. What are you living, outspeeding, etc?

I'm not saying ZapChomp isn't good, but if you are going to use it make sure it's not easily predictable. The sets that concern me the most are the Zapdos and Tornadus ones. What does Signal Beam do that is so much better than HP Grass or Ice? Does it KO anything of significance? As for Tornadus, it's basically shut down by anything else with Taunt if you don't predict it. And using it purely to "counter" Cresselia is not something you should do.

Now for my advice. I think you should try looking more at finding a core of two Pokemon that you'd like to build around that have decent synergy. In VGC, as well as Singles, surprise factors can really help if you have a decent level of prediction. I'd also suggest looking into your EV spreads, movesets, and items being more useful for your team specifically. It just seems to me like you're trying to bunch together 6 mons with different type moves and hope they work. Don't try to counter everything, that just causes your team to not work well together. Instead, work on making a team that works well together by choosing a strategy of your own. You should not be worrying so much about countering strategies, as you should be using one yourself. This strategy should be able to cope with your opponent also having a strategy.

tl;dr Start over with a core and don't make your strategy "countering other strategies".
 
Thanks for the reply/advice Cassie. I don't really have the time to completely start over, so I think this will be my team for now, I guess the most I can do is change around some movesets or maybe drop 1 or 2 pokemon.

But as far as your advice is concerned, I really like the versatility of Rotom-W, the power or Scizor, and the ability to lead of Amoonguss. Is the synergy there to form a good team? How can I become adept at learning what's good together and what's not? I've only played in fall regionals before this, so maybe I should join up in a smogon doubles tutoring program. Do you have any recommendations concerning that?
 
If you'd like to completely start over I'm sure I, as well as my thread partners can assist you in getting your Pokemon together.

Rotom-W and Scizor have synergy, you can definitely work with that. As for learning what's good together, it takes a bit of practice and b202 is the best place to go for indepth learning. When deciding what to add to your team, try not to add to your big weaknesses. Currently with the three you suggested you're weak to Zapdos, as well as having a bit of a problem if you run into Energy Ball Chandelure (or any chandelure really, especially if your Hydro Pump misses). You can't have just one Pokemon handle several things; what would you do if they KO'd it?

To fix this I'd suggest HP Ice Heatran or even Terrakion. You won't have a perfect team, but if you get practice with it beforehand you can figure out what you play well with. You don't want to have too many of the same weaknesses because you want to be able to switch into things at times, not always relying on Protect.

Just focus more on what your team specifically needs, and don't treat the Pokemon so individually. An example of how your team could work if you use Heatran would be:
Your Rotom-W and Scizor vs an opposing Zapdos and Chandelure. Zapdos would most likely be Thunderbolting Rotom and Chandelure would be Heat Waving(or some other fire move) Scizor. To get the advantage here you'd go for Protect on Rotom and switch in Heatran for the Flash Fire boost. Your opponent will most likely take the defensive position because of your switch.

Anyway, don't counter any specific Pokemon, just try to avoid having huge weaknesses to them.
 
Ok that makes sense. I'll have to check out the b202 as well.

I'm glad those pokemon have synergy! haha. Would a rain dance tornadus be helpful for Rotom using Thunder or Hydro Pump? Maybe a TR Chandy of my own would be good since I could counter TR and absorb some more flash fire, plus add a ghost attack to my team. WHat about countering weather? Should I go with a Lickilicky with Cloud nine? I'm a little worried about rain teams in all honesty...

And countering dragons...I guess I could teach Ice Beam to Rotom-W, but that still leaves Kingdra to deal with (I know you said not to counter a specific pokemon, but swift swim kingdra in the rain freaks me out, lol). What would you suggest? I really like where this is going by the way!! :)

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but then again, I'm still in the mindset of countering everything....so maybe I'm heading in the wrong direction with my thinking in this post
 
If you decide on rain dance on Tornadus you would not want to use Chandelure. If you're worried about the speed thing, you could always go for making your team Trick Room, or maybe using something with Trick (I suggest Sableye with Lagging Tail, it'd make Kingdra go last, you could also set up Rain with it if that's something you wanted to do and have access to Taunt). Yeah don't go for countering things, Kingdra really isn't very hard to get rid of, you can always use something like Virizion, or you could completely get rid of rain and outspeed with Scarf Abomasnow. It all depends on your play style. Nothing is wrong with using something that you know handles a certain Pokemon, just make sure it can handle other things as well. Scarf Abomasnow also handles the Latis and Garchomp(be wary of Yache) if you had any worries of those. If you want to use Lickilicky, you could probably make it work. I just think with what you want to do you're better off using Scarf Abomasnow (with Hidden Power Ground so you can hit Chandelure as well).

Again, it all depends on your playstyle.
 
Well I wouldn't be opposed to any of these ideas! I like the Abomasnow a lot. So I could run a team of Scizor, Rotom-W, Abomasnow, Tornadus, Heatran, and Amoongus/Sableye (Ialready have a Sableye, so that might work...)? I'm not sure I know how to look at a team and see synergy/strategy yet. All I can see is still the old "this counter that" mentality. So if my team is right, what would be general strategy? Or, how can I look at a team and see it?

I think my playstyle is hit for a lot of damage while doing something tricky here and there, so I think this team would work for me.

I only have the Tornadus (and maybe Sableye), so I would definitely need a lot of help getting the rest of the team :).
 
What exactly are you trying to do with Tornadus? And it looks like you like goodstuffs. And that's what your team is for the most part. Basically your team doesn't have a set strategy like Rain or Tailwind. Abomasnow is considered "counter-weather". Smogon should have articles on VGC goodstuffs, if you haven't read them already. Don't worry about what you do and do not have, that's why there are so many Free VGC Pokemon threads. I can't really choose for you, and you can always consider the other Pokemon you mentioned in your OP, unless you've decided against them; they're not bad at all, but they way you're trying to use them does not work so well in VGC.
 
I guess I just like Prankster is all with that one. I may use my Chandy instead. Welp...Let me know what you have for trade, or who to talk to. I guess I'll need Scizor, Abomasnow, Rotom-W, Technician Hitmontop (instead of Sableye because it learns Mach Punch), and either Heatmor or Terrakion. Thanks! I'm looking forward to playing with this team :) :)
 
Thanks! haha. I was KOing Heatmor when I wrote that! Also, if you have any of those pokemon please let me know!

Alright, I've redesigned my whole team. If anyone has these pokemon for trade I'
d be extremely grateful!!! You guys are the best!

Just looking for the Abomasnow now!
 
I myself prefer Focus Sash over Occa Berry on Scizor. Even with the Occa Berry Scizor loses to a lot of strong fire type moves. Wide Guard would benefit your team more than Detect would, this is because a lot of your team is weak to common spread moves. I think you must have had a typo or something because Scarfed Chandelure with Trick Room is bad on so many levels. Trash the scarf, give it a type resistance berry or fire gem and call it a day. Another small thing I think you should think about is the fact that you are running hail with a Garchomp. Having hail guarantees Blizzard hitting for both players, leaving Garchomp to die to almost every common blizzard user. On top of this your running an Expert Belt over a Yache berry. I'd say if you want to really use this combination at least give the chomp a yache.
 
Add some descriptions please or I'll have to close this thread. Check out the RMT-archive if you don't know what I mean.
 
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