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The 2010-11 Football/Soccer Thread

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cool 2018 -40 and 2022 +40 degree world cup =)

this sucks, England or Belgium/Netherland and Australia would have been cool :/
qatar is shit
 
Bull fuck. Russia? That just sucks, England had a way better bid and deserved 2018 way more. I would've prefered it to be like
2018- England
2022- Russia

and Qatar? wtf man
 
I agree with Russia and Qatar. Obviously I wanted England and I'm bitterly dissapointed to have missed out but the others -need- the World Cup whereas we simply -wanted- it. It's fantastic for Russia as it could, at long last, get rid of any remnants of the Iron Curtain and give them a chance to show the world that old stereotypes are exactly that. It also forces them to improve their awful transport system which will benefit Russians for years to come. Finally, it will help to promote football in the biggest country in the world and expand FIFA's market.

Qatar 2022 will be the first World Cup in history ever to be held in the Middle East. 'nuff said tbh. Anyone who followed the World Cup in South Africa will know that it's much more than just a football competition - it's a chance to do a lot of good for a lot of people and Russia/Qatar seems the best way to do it.
 
Dude i have nothing against middle east world cup, but its a joke that a bid basically given a fail mark by a technical report can get the world cup.
 
They have 8 years in which to sort out those technicalities and there will be no limit to the amount of money and assistance that will be thrown their way to ensure it.
 
Lee summed it up perfectly and I definitely agree with him. Qatar and Russia is the best choice imo. I personally found Qatar's bid yesterday very convincing, they definitely deserve it and they are perfectly capable of hosting a world cup.
 
Don't they essentially need to build 8 new stadiums? I know they have 2, but they need major refurbishing. Plus you have to factor in safety concerns and the want for people to travel to a very socially strict country for a quite flamboyant few weeks. I don't see it being successful at all.
 
I remember when we were worried that everyone who went to the World Cup in South Africa was going to get carjacked and raped but that never happened. Give them a chance.
 
Why would you give a country that was clearly outclassed by other bids such as England a chance, when you have "England"?

I understand giving it to them when there isn't as much competition for the bid, but this was just insane
 
England's bid wasn't that great, we had all the Panorama bullshit and then hoolaganism the night before the decision was made. We only got 2 votes out of the 22 available.

Oh and don't forget we have the Olympics in 2012 and the Rugby World Cup in 2015. Greedy much?
 
The FIFA proved they are corrupt: Russia and Qatar have the most money, and they paid FIA voters to vote on the countries.

England or Netherlands+Belgium should've got it.

I am Dutch, but I am relieved there will be no WC in the Netherlands: Every Dutch citizen (football haters too) pays for it (taxes), a lot of stadiums have to be renovated (discussion who should pay: the cities or the government) and Sepp Blatter would have all political power he wants. I don't want Blatter to be the dictator of Holland. Sure, the corrupt Russia shoudn't have got it, but better than Holland being ruined by Blatter.
 
Corrupt Fifa

2018 World CUp

First round: England 2, Holland/Belgium 4, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 9
Second round: Holland/Belgium 2, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 13
Russia win

2022 World Cup

Round 1: Australia1 vote, Japan 3 votes, US 3 votes, South Korea 4 votes and Qatar 11 votes.
Round 2: Japan 2 votes, South Korea 5 votes, US 5 votes and Qatar 10 votes.
Round 3 South Korea 5 votes, US 6 votes and Qatar 11 votes.
Round 4 US 8 votes and Qatar 14 votes (Qatar obtain absolute majority)

This is disgraceful, firstly you can see tactical bids on Holland and Japan to make sure that England/Australia get knocked out Round 1 because they were stronger bids. They then remove there votes on these countries R2 and reveal there real choice.

Its awful that both England and Australia got so little votes after such strong bids (and the fact that in Australia's case they get less that nations who had the world cup 20 years earlier).
 
Nosferalto said:
Lee summed it up perfectly and I definitely agree with him. Qatar and Russia is the best choice imo. I personally found Qatar's bid yesterday very convincing, they definitely deserve it and they are perfectly capable of hosting a world cup.
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Sure, Qatar is perhaps capable of hosting a World Cup. Should they be? No. Like The_Chaser pointed out, FIFA sent people to each bidder to evaluate them and the committee-submitted report marked Qatar as a high risk. Here are some reasons why:

  • Heat - The WC is held in summer. Qatar's temperature is incredibly harsh, up to 40 degrees Celsius (40C = 104F) during June-July and not dropping below 30. They have promised to make special air-conditioned stadiums, but how do they air-condition Qatar? The majority of time tourists will not be in stadiums, they will be melting instead. This also poses an obvious health risk. In fact, I would say the climate is actually the main factor.
  • Infrastructure - Everything in Qatar needs to be upgraded, renovated, and refurbished. It is a small country with a low population who will have to cope with their population being doubled or tripled for a few weeks. Hotels that will die after the WC, stadiums that by the by will have no use after the tournament (you can say, oh, maybe other tournaments will host in Qatar in the future, but they don't need 12+ stadiums all with capacity of 40,000+, which is why they will be donating them to other countries. Yay for excess and waste). And the main thing -- TRANSPORT. Qatar has one good airport. These people aren't coming like raindrops in drizzle, they're going to be flooding in. Accessibility not so easy. It needs a huge boost to its accomodation and transport infrastructure to hope to handle all these people as they zip over Qatar.
  • Qatar as a tourist destination - There are already talks of designated drinking areas, etc. And sure partying is not the point of the WC. But I question how Qatar will cope with these things. Just look at past World Cups -- they are chaotic. This is a month-long event as well, what is entertainment even like in Qatar?
I don't understand how you can say Qatar is the best choice when America and Australia (Australia has never hosted a WC either, mind) submitted a bid. I am going to ignore South Korea and Japan because they hosted so recently. Qatar needs an overhaul to be remotely ready for this tournament. How you can say Qatar is a better choice than four countries that have win out on Qatar in all of these aspects is beyond me. Take Australia, for instance. Has most of the stadiums it needs (needs to upgrade some), being a huge tourist destination has equipped it to easily handle the influx of people, has fantastic infrastructure, has a growing soccer culture (and the right to host in 2022 would be just the accelerator Australian soccer needs), it would be winter in 2022 so the climate would be mild...

And I don't even plan to be in Australia come 2022.

I wonder if Qatar's fountain of $$$ will still be there by 2022. I wish Qatar the best, I obviously don't want the cup to be bad, but I'm just in doubt (and, yes, bitter, because I think this is rubbish). I sure hope they put their money where their mouth is, because I hear a lot about 'potential' and 'opportunity' but in the face of four countries who have proven themselves to be fine hosts of sporting events (Sydney Olympics, anyone?), potential falls short.

I cannot deny the growth would be nice for Qatar (though their plans scream WASTE AND EXCESS to me), but this isn't just about Qatar. It's about the World Cup, about fans and players worldwide who will be descending upon this tiny nation. I guess on the 'bright' side this Cup will be ... different.

FIFA talking about transparency is a joke anyway. I actually laughed out loud when that was said.
 
My god jumpluff, I didn't know you liked football. Are there any limits to your awesomeness? ^_^
 
I wonder what will happen if an openly gay player goes to Qatar considering its against the law to be homosexual.

Also this is amusing.

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so now instead of going out at night i'll be watching the world cup games at 3 am

goddamn i wish this thread was in firebot just so i could properly express how i feel about blatter
 
Moscow is only 3 hours ahead of Britain so I can't imagine the time differences causing -too- much hassle. Certainly not as much as the 2002 World Cup. Anyone else remember getting up at 6am and watching the England match over a bowl of cereal?
 
Great, Portugal and Spain couldn't get the World Cup!

I know I was supposed to be sad, but come on! We're talking about two countries with major financial problems and that will probably need to be helped by the other european countries and they were seriously thinking about hosting a World Cup?

I'd love to see a World Cup semi-final here but I think it's better to see it on TV knowing it's more likely I'll still have a TV when 2018 arrives.
 
@Lee: Jumpluff was active in the World Cup thread, you could know she likes football.

I have nothing against Russia and Qatar, but I don't think they should host the World Cup.

@The Chaser: Is there any openly gay player you know?

A lot of Dutch people suspect PSV and Sweden midfielder/striker Ola Toivonen to be gay. Toivonen has never denied or confirmed it.

PSV coach Fred Rutten said it would be better if Toivonen got rid of his long hair, because Rutten thinks Toivonen looks gay. WTF!

So if Sweden qualificates and Toivonen comes out of the closet, will he be selected?

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Hehe, thanks Lee. <3 ^_^

Time zone differences don't matter much to me, though I know I'm unique in that.. and come 2018 and 2022 I'll probably have a job and be a normal human being so I won't be waking up at 12 AM like 2010 WC to catch a match.

...or will I?

Time zone differences are also a financial issue 'cause of lost TV revenue but in a global event it's the kind of issue that just has to be, even though it really sucks for everyone.
 
At least with England not winning we won't have to put up with the inevitable media hype.

The world cup is coming home we are going to win it, we are the best team in the world, are players are world class etc. Only to make it to the quarter finals.
 
I don't understand the thought process of picking Qatar. Australia and the US clearly make the most sense (at least for the 2022 bids, I'm not talking about the 2018, have fun with those). Not only do they make the most sense, but they could be the most financially successful for FIFA at either location.*

*excluding kickbacks of oil and natural gas money.
 
i dont understand why they went for the land of plastic pitches, nor why england only got 2 votes with a slod campaign
 
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