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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition

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Byrne said:
i love pointing out the spygate stuff because patriots fans/defenders get all worked up about it and try to convince me that video taping a team's signals didn't matter

former Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward stating that when the offense would audible to another play the New England defenders would move to the new alignment before the offensive players arrived leaving no question that they in fact already knew what play had been called in the audible.

^ because that's obviously not an enormous advantage
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Were you like 10 or something when all that was going on? Because that would explain why you're completely unaware of the fact that the team signals that they were taping were the defensive coordinators signals to the defense to call plays because the NFL didn't allow the defense to have communications systems in their helmet. This would improve their OFFENSE not their defense (fat good it did them too). The Offense on the other hand did have comm systems, so they were not run by signals like that to tip off Defenses. And just for the kicker, you CANNOT TAPE AUDIBLES, since those keywords change from week to week.

Moreover, knowing what audible is being called is really easy if you're disguising your defense in a way to bait them into running a certain one. Kinda like how yesterday and the week before that and weeks before that teams would run a nickel or a dime package with two very deep safeties against Peyton's Broncos and have them instantly sell out completely sprinting towards the line on the most obvious run audible in the history of the universe.
 
not to mention it's really fucking hard to:

a) memorize the defensive signals the coaches are calling from film
b) read the defensive signals the coaches are calling live
c) devise a playcall to counter the defensive playcall
d) communicate the playcall with the quarterback before his headset cuts off (10 seconds on the play clock, 30 seconds or fewer overall)

like really, really fucking hard. it'd take an incredible amount of man-hours to even begin to get something useful out of this system, and it could only really be used the second time around when playing these teams (and requires that the team doesn't change their signals at all in the interim, lel). pretty silly to assume the Patriots got much out of Spygate, if they got anything at all
 
Stop talking about the past. Every team had some bad moments in history. They won because of their defenses and kicker. As soon as the team became "Tommy and Friends", they couldn't win anything else.
 
"Tommy and Friends" have gone to the Super Bowl 2 more times, and been to the AFC Championship game 4 more times (5 if you count 2006 being "Tommy and Friends") all with drastically different strategies, including this past run with something like 28 million dollars on injured reserve going into the playoffs.

I'm sure in whatever magical fairyland you live in, that ludicrous level of consistent success in that long of a span doesn't mean much. But in the real world you're fucking delusional if you think it means anything that they haven't won a Super Bowl since, much in the same way people are fucking delusional in thinking Manning is a much lesser QB because he can't win Super Bowls. NEWS FLASH: It's really fucking hard to win Super Bowls!
 
Only one team can win a season, and the idea that a season is only successful if your team won the Super Bowl is insane. The fixation on "spygate" is ridiculously annoying.

Take away the Mavericks winning it all, and I would still have enjoyed the last decade of the Mavericks about 10x more than the last decade of the Cowboys. Given that we beat the fucking Heat of all teams, taking the greatest revenge of basically all time, yeah granted it probably escalated it to like 1000x, but it was still a ton of fun before that.

"Bountygate" had nothing to do with Saints winning btw. Dome and home = win in the playoffs, just like dome and road = horrible losses. Saints and Colts both made it as the #1 seed for a reason.
 
Why is the only patriot fan in this thread a peyton non hater? I just want a typical pats fan in here so I can spam Peytons' "star wars" numbers.... like 5477 or 55.... :( where is jrr when you need him?

Moving on from brady, i'd like to poke fun at CK who thought Brees was even half as good as GOAT Peyton earlier in the season. Hahaha fun times those were. So silly. Brees is only even talked about because of his (in comparison average) stats. He's not an all time great. He isn't top 5 right now. Not if you include Brady. Anyways, first the relevant awards:

8x pro bowl(kind of meaningless)
1x AP All Pro(best qb this season)
3x 2nd team all pro(2nd fiddle to the best)

Probably worthy of the hof since he also won a sb. Now the GOATs:

13x pro bowl
7x All Pro
3x 2nd team all pro
5x NFL Mvp

Instant hof. Not a single QB comes even close to this kind of greatness. 7 times in his 15 playing seasons Peyton was the best quarterback in the NFL. That's almost half of his playing career... HALF. On the other hand poor brees has only been the best qb in the nfl once in 13 years. Which can be considered a fluke or aberration. He has never been dominant at his position during his mediocre(comparatively) career. Not just that but peyton has also been the 2nd best qb 3 times during his career. Meaning in 15 years, peyton has been a top 2 quarterback an insane 10 times. Just ridiculous. Then the MVPs. Which covers all positions. Brees has a whopping 0.. Count them ZERO. I have as many NFL MVPs as Dree Brew. ME. Brees has never been the best player in the league(this is actually kind of a joke since hes only been the best qb in the league once). On the other hand the GOAT has been the best player in the league 5 times. Five times. Meaning that in his career he has been the most dominant player a third of the time. This is all time great. He is completely alone in this greatness. No player has been the best in the league more than 3 times. Let alone play 15 seasons and be so a third of that. This means that Peyton has been the most dominant player in the history of the nfl. Since entering the league no other has matched his incredible and other worldly dominance.


The great passer brees has taken a snap in the nfl in 2 less seasons than manning at 13 compared to 15.... Yet he has 13,000 less yards and 128 less TDs. He isn't even a better passer... But wait... All brees has is his yards... yet the GOAT completely outclasses him even there???

Hahah the point of all of this is that it's ridiculous comparing Brees or any other qb to Peyton statistically. Peytons numbers are unequaled. His numbers make brees look like a joke. And it's pathetic since all brees has is his stats, and even those don't compare to the GOAT. Brees' 2011 and best season is actually mediocre in hindsight. It took him all 16 games all his effort to reach 5476 yards and a measly 46 TDs while Peyton destroyed that record while not even trying and remaining classy. He also dropped 55 TDs.
 
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I stopped reading about the time you said going to the Pro Bowl 8 times was "kind of meaningless".

Please stop.
 
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I meant the award in general is meaningless. Not Brees'.

Example.. Romo not going this year... How is that even possible when he literally had the 2nd/3rd best year of any qb? I'm undecided between him and Rivers.
 
On Richard Sherman's Interview:

"Yet, when one kid who has overcome everything, one kid who was doubted by the very player he overcame on Sunday, decides to emphatically claim he is the best (by the way: he is), this is what upsets us? Man, could you imagine if this generation had to deal with Muhammad Ali?"
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some hero, that was a really ignorant post on your part, and is the type of reason I have you on ignore. I only read any part of your post because I wondered what WaterBomb was referring to.

Brees has played 3 seasons less than P. Manning. You were counting a season with 1 game. Next time you might want to stop yourself before writing a rant entirely predicated on how someone currently tossing 5000 yards a season is 13,000 yards behind someone...with 3 seasons less on his resume. Never mind the fact that if you split hairs and come down to games started, Brees is missing 3 seasons + 7 games worth of games (55 games).

Brees is also the only player in the NFL who has a shot at breaking the TD record Manning will walk away with. If Manning walks away after 2 more seasons, it will probably be unbreakable, but if Brees played just as long and stayed relatively healthy he has a chance. He will take the #3 spot with 2 more healthy seasons, and is already ahead of Brady for #4. Oh what is that? You want to poke fun at me....when Brees' worst case is probably wrapping up his career in 3rd place in TDs with (just like B. Manning) nowhere near as many INTs as Favre (who will be #2), still holds the first AND second best completion %s of all time for a season, and when Brees still has the best quality postseason statistics of all time (only Rodgers has a chance at breaking that out of current QBs). I understand why not many people arrive at Brees as the best QB of all time, but I found my positions in fucking fact. This current window of P. Manning may be "the best QB of all time" in some sense, but career P. Manning absolutely was not. Early career regular season Brees might have been only great instead of astounding, but if you look at the postseason TD/INT, Y/A, and % resumes of every QB who ever played, nobody has been more terrific on average. This was a bad postseason for him, and he is still stomping historical ass.

If postseason quantity matters, which is totally a fair point of view, then Montana, Warner, Bradshaw (if you ignore the TD/INT because of the astonishing best of all time Y/A), and Brady (if you ignore the astonishingly worst of all time Y/A and justify it as consistency) might all be better QBs than Brees. Manning absolutely is not on that list. Maybe this recent finally showed up in the postseason version of Manning, but not the version that threw more than 1 TD in only 7/20 playoff games before this fucking season. The only player Manning has a chance at moving above in terms of postseason play this year is Favre (Rodgers will still be better too!!), ring totals is not what determines who played the best.

So tl;dr you "poked fun at me" for being in love with a guy who is by all accounts the first or second best regular season player of all time on paper (depends what you think about the modern era rules etc), with P. Manning as his only competition, and a player who still has more than 1 TD in 8/11 postseason tries. Granted you argued in favor of the only guy with a chance at being better than him in the regular season, I just do not get why you wanted to act like it was so cut and dried. Football is a team game, and his teams are just always going to lose in the cold (dome teams almost always lose at some point in a postseason :( ).

The fact that you think the "2nd best" (his worst case) career QB actively playing, the 2nd best this season (factually, per total results)....I honestly do not know why you want to troll so badly, but whatever man. I mean maybe Nick Foles is better - we will see next year, so far no one has ever not regressed on INTs after a season like that...he did not play a full season, so it is impossible to speculate on his exact statistics, unfortunately 39/12 is a much better total than 27/2 on the TD/INT front (27/2 is worth the same as approximately 39/20). His completion % was the usual ungodly levels (68.6%), the 9 Y/A thing by the Eagles is ungodly but probably comes from the way they play. Maybe Rodgers could have been better, but was struck down by an unfair god/gods/frail human body.

One final edit - awards are meaningless, Eli Manning owning 2 Super Bowl MVPs irrefutably proves that.
 
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I liked the response. You guys act as if I dislike a football player I bash but I don't. Brady and Brees are the reason why the nfl is the best sport in the history of ever. Like with griffin its really the hype that gets annoying. Not really with brees the point is the same. I used to be like most fans, hating divisional opponents but Romo made me see the light. His 2012 season was beautiful and gave me a new perspective on the game of football. I can no longer hate or even dislike any player that takes part in such a beautiful game. I feel grateful every time I get to watch these guys perform. Romo turned the sport into a live action play filled with great actors who wonderfully convey beauty, strength and passion every game.

Final edit, after thinking about it the best word to describe 2012 Romo is art. I felt emotions you usually don't feel when watching sports, more like the emotions you get when staring at whatever art affects you.
 
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TheValkyries said:
On Richard Sherman's Interview:

"Yet, when one kid who has overcome everything, one kid who was doubted by the very player he overcame on Sunday, decides to emphatically claim he is the best (by the way: he is), this is what upsets us? Man, could you imagine if this generation had to deal with Muhammad Ali?"
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Personally I think football needs more passionate, arrogant people like Richard Sherman who speak their mind rather then the scripted "we stuck to the game plan, credit to the opponents and the teammates" post game interviews that bore the living fuck out of me
 
Totally agree with you. I do think football needs more outspoken people. It's the same as soccer in Brazil. A while ago, it was really common for players on rivals to provoque one another, and things like that, and to say what they wanted at the end of the game. But then things started to get sick when they started to get fined for what they said, and almost no-one speaks up their minds. And when someone does that, people admonish him.

It's ridiculous.
 
You can be outspoken and passionate without being a complete arrogant ass, though. Take players like JJ Watt, for example, who are extremely vocal on the field both with their teammates and the opposition, but with respect. Even trash talk is fine if it's in good humor. What Richard Sherman did, however, crosses that border and makes him look foolish in my opinion. Unbridled arrogance and classless trash talking is not the kind of personality I want to see in the NFL as a fan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We don't want Sherman to turn into the next CJ2K, do we?
 
WaterBomb said:
We don't want Sherman to turn into the next CJ2K, do we?
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Yes, yes I do. CJ2K talked big then couldn't put up the numbers, but he put that spotlight on himself. It was interesting as hell to watch the whole season(s) after and actually gave people something to talk about besides WELL DAN I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SCORE SOME POINTS TO WIN THE GAME. It also made people pay attention to the Titans, which is a miracle in and of itself.

It's like playing the heel in wrestling: people love rooting against (or for) villains.
 
WaterBomb said:
You can be outspoken and passionate without being a complete arrogant ass, though. Take players like JJ Watt, for example, who are extremely vocal on the field both with their teammates and the opposition, but with respect. Even trash talk is fine if it's in good humor. What Richard Sherman did, however, crosses that border and makes him look foolish in my opinion. Unbridled arrogance and classless trash talking is not the kind of personality I want to see in the NFL as a fan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We don't want Sherman to turn into the next CJ2K, do we?
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I don't disagree, but to Sherman's defense, it's probably really hard for an athlete to think straight during a post-game interview. Look at Sherman himself: He had just made a huge play on the final drive of the AFC championship game that sealed a Super Bowl berth (Against the receiver that was talking down on him before the game, no less!), and then he's supposed give a level-headed interview right after the game ended while his emotions are still obviously raw?

I mean, Sherman wasn't exactly in the right either, but what are we supposed to expect? Not everyone is calm, collected, and eloquent all the time as, say, Phil Jackson.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Sherman turn into CJ2K, would shut his dumb ass up some. Not to mention weakening Seattle's defense for Niners (or hell even Cardinals) to get in over Seadderall next year.
 
Sherman's got one more year on his contract, so he's probably not going anywhere next year.

Without taking his personality in account, there's still a significant chance that he holds out in hopes of an extension/pay bump. With the seemingly short shelf life of cornerbacks these days, plus the relative recent failures of their big contracts (Revis and Asomugha come to mind, though Revis can be dumped any year at no cost to the Bucs) I doubt he'll receive anything close to $18 million, unless it's not guaranteed like Revis' contract.

Either way he won't be playing for Seattle for long, they have a lot of guys to pay in the next two years and have had a lot of success in drafting unknowns at CB.

TheValkyries said:
On Richard Sherman's Interview:

"Yet, when one kid who has overcome everything, one kid who was doubted by the very player he overcame on Sunday, decides to emphatically claim he is the best (by the way: he is), this is what upsets us? Man, could you imagine if this generation had to deal with Muhammad Ali?"
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This article made me feel dirty. All I knew of his personality really devised from his trash talk, and the trash talk makes him so easy to hate. Now I feel guilty. Thanks :(
 
We could probably devote a separate thread for discussing the role of trash talking (how much is too much) personally I don't see anything wrong with Sherman's actions. I tend to draw the line at using derogatory terms or insulting relatives, anything outside of that is fair game, especially at a professional sports level
 
Sherman is definitely going along the way of franchise player to build around. I'd be shocked if he doesn't get an extension this offseason.
 
My b. thought it was going to have to be an immediate "post super bowl win if they win" decision, not another year off. If he had a killer game and they won it all, forget it, he would definitely get a huge contract from someone.

Sports is entertainment, and the adrenaline is going to get players hyped. Sherman being emphatic was funny and maybe a little oafish, but it is not like he went up there and said "George Bush...hates black people" or anything, he says a player he just destroyed DESERVED to be destroyed. Whatever motivates him, right?

(BREAKING NEWS STORY, RICHARD SHERMAN AND 3 OTHER DEFENSIVE TEAMMATES ALL CHUG SHAKES MADE FROM PUPPIES AND KITTENS TO MAXIMIZE PERFORMANCE)
 
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