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Synre said:
My expectations that those two teams would outperform Canada had nothing to do with the strength of their rosters(which were inferior) and everything to do with expecting Canada to choke at home(which they didn't, obviously).

I'm not really sure what your point is with some of these posts. People have posted pretty decent evidence to contradict your unwaivering faith in Luongo and you retort with stuff that is about as substantial as "nuh-uh!"
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Far from an unwaivering faith, I felt putting Schneider in for game 6 was the thing to do and you were in the goddamn same chatroom I was when I said I was glad to see him. I simply do not accept that it is seen as a disaster that Luongo would play game 7, as if that seals the series. To win a series, you are required to win 4 times and Luongo has so far done it 3 times. No slump lasts forever, Luongo can certainly win this last game and my prediction is that he will. Not only this, it doesn't even make a lick of sense to "contradict someone's faith."

If you want to compare Luongo with goalies that won in the past, the least you should do is bring up examples of goalies that have, don't ship me Price as an example, you will get for reminder that he wasn't even good enough to participate in the playoffs just last year.

You still predicted a Canadian collapse and weren't the only one to do it. Both the Swedes and the Russians had scary line-ups. The Russian powerplay especially, which seemed unstoppable.
 
You do know that in order for Luongo to win, there is actually a team that he plays for which needs to perform well right? I mean it's not like he can literally win the entire game like Price can. If the sisters don't come out strong Vancouver might be fucked, same with their defense. A lot has to come together in short order for them to prevent horrible embarrassment. I think it's too close to call, they gained back some momentum in the last game by keeping it close.
 
Morm said:
Why do you have such a hard on for Luongo? He's a great goalie and all, but seriously you need to be more objective.
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I was the first to react to his terrible rebounds yesterday and welcomed the Schneider change.

I still dont feel it is a disaster that Luongo, as you called him a 'great goalie', is to be sent back on the ice in game 7.
 
An out of substance 'nuh-uh' post of mine in which I will at least not make the wild claim that I am "contradicting faith".

Loving how old this thread is.


Synre said:
My expectations that those two teams would outperform Canada had nothing to do with the strength of their rosters(which were inferior)
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2011 Synre on 'Team Canada at the Olympics' after they won gold

Synre said:
I think the Canadians will at least make the finals, but I would be surprised if they won their gold. Home ice is nice, but I think on paper I prefer the Russian roster
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2010 Synre on 'Team Canada at the Olympics' before they won gold
 
I never said he shouldn't start in game 7, I merely asked "at what point do you pull him out" and the canucks reached that point. In game 6, yeah, fuck around with goalies and see what they can do if your main guy is having issues. In a game 7, I'd take someone who has a higher chance of high performance any day and as it stands, that means Luongo should start. I'd say that he should have a short leash though. If he fucks the bed in a hurry, pull him out asap unless Schneider is injured or whatever. They cannot risk a big deficit in this game, not with how tight Chicago is playing. He has the experience in the pressure situations, Schneider is a rookie. While some rookies shine in this situation, I'd still take Luongo despite his history of choking.

Don't mistake my fair criticism of Luongo for being some bandwagon reverse fanboy. I even hold my own team to this standard and absolutely loathe or love them individually as a result.

I'd just suggest to you, vineon, that you step back and look at the stats and the situation that has been created. I know you're a huge fan and all, but really, he is kind of having troubles this round and that is partly because chicago go in his head.
 
I dont give much credibility to stats compiled over 6 games, the sample is simply much too small to be representative of much.

The rest of the post I agree with.
 
yeah the stats were kind of an aside, sorry if I didn't give enough focus to the situation. I did say that +/- is BS anyways, so you know how I feel about stats :P
 
Vineon said:
(desperate crusade to try to make self sound correct here)
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For what it's worth, here was the entire original post

Synre said:
I think the Canadians will at least make the finals, but I would be surprised if they won their gold. Home ice is nice, but I think on paper I prefer the Russian roster (though if Brodeur was in his prime I'd be torn), and there is a hell of a lot more pressure on the Canadians. This is a factor because I am not very impressed by how most of the players on that team have played in high pressure situations so far in their careers. I think of that whole team the only people who have winning records in the cup finals are Staal, Boyle, and the three ducks, and Boyle has been tainted by San Jose and their amazing choking. It'll be interesting to see how Babcock rolls lines; I think they'd be much better off if Getzlaf is healthy having him function as the #1 C in a tournament like this one.
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Where you'll notice that basically the entire post referenced the fact I was concerned about the pressure relating to home ice, exactly like I said a few hours ago. Roster was a poor choice of word there, but pretty obviously connoted "team" in context, in the sense that I was evaluating the groups' ability to perform under pressure, not whether they were a collection of better individual hockey players. It's very GameFAQs of you to try to create whatever context you need to be right, however. Regardless, the point a couple other people and I had made was that the Canadian's roster was better than the other country's, which I don't think you're going to have much success proving true or false regardless of where you take this pointless tangent.









For what it's worth getting back on the Luongo thing, I thought playing Schneider was smart at first, but after thinking about it a little more I had a pretty big issue with the end-game of the decision to play Schneider in Game 6. I liked the pull short term (I think using a healthy Schneider in Game 6 and 7 gives the Canucks a better chance at winning this series than Luongo in Game 6 and 7), and hockey loves thinking in the just-worry-about-the-next-game short term, but I think looking a little farther it's a really problematic move. If Schneider doesn't get hurt and wins Game 6 or 7, can they go back to their Vezina nominee like everything is OK in round 2? If Schneider stays healthy and loses both games, how is Luongo going to react to that? Or hell, even if they lose the way things went now... the guy is a professional, but watching your Vezina nominee 6m+ goalie tell the media all dejectedly that he doesn't think he has his coach's faith can't look good to the Vancouver brass. I'm a little concerned about the fallout this is going to have in future series, if they get there, and next year. This is the sort of move that I think will have some lasting effects... I'd be surprised if both he and Vignault were in Vancouver in 2013. To me the bottom line is, with four chances a real Stanley Cup contender is going to beat the Blackhawks one time regardless of who is in goal, and if they can't do so they probably aren't as good as they think they are. So why shake the confidence of the goalie you know you're going to want to carry you past Round 1? He's a former team captain and one of the highest paid goalies in the league, I think you've gotta dance with the girl you brought here, not matter how shaky he's been against Chicago. Not sure this one will pay off...

The Schneider injury is kind of funny. The only way I can see this ending well for the Canucks is if Luongo comes back and gets the win and kind of earns that faith back.
 
Heres me going Gamefaqs (probably, because I have no fucking idea what it means, this being your idea of 'substance') :

Theres no "crusade" to "sound correct" when it comes to believing Luongo can pull it still because he has in the past.

He won 3 games, he can win a 4th. He was a great goalie during the season, he can be a great goalie in game 7. This was my point and yeah, belief. This has nothing to do with trying to be 'correct' or being 'incorrect'. People that are throwing the towel too fast should relax a bit, Luongo CAN win that game.

But back to the Olympics, which you share the rest of the post I quoted like it hides a fucking revelation, it says that you believe the Russians have a better roster. The rest, which is that you do not believe in Canada's chances because of intangibles is not important. My belief was that you didnt think Canada had the best team before the Olympics and your goddamn post specifies that you thought the Russians had the better roster. Obviously, seeing this, which confirmed my initial recollection of the events, I was going to dig that shit back up. But apparently now, 'roster' was was a "poor use of word".

Whatever Synre.
 
synre said:
to me the bottom line is, with four chances a real Stanley Cup contender is going to beat the Blackhawks one time regardless of who is in goal, and if they can't do so they probably aren't as good as they think they are. So why shake the confidence of the goalie you know you're going to want to carry you past Round 1? He's a former team captain and one of the highest paid goalies in the league, I think you've gotta dance with the girl you brought here, not matter how shaky he's been against Chicago. Not sure this one will pay off...
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Being highest paid means dick all, just ask people who 'earn' their money like Stajan, Dipietro, Bouwmeester, Kotalik Lecavalier and Yashin (lol). I know I used 3 flames, I'm just using examples off the top of my head. That's such a poor judge of talent. Also Luongo was a make belief captain, as goalies can't fulfill a captain or assistant captains duty of bitching at the ref in mid ice, also the league doesn't allow it. He is a leader, I'll give you that, and I addressed that in an earlier post.

The best athletes can perform when it's needed, it's that simple. If someone is the fastest runner every race for 3 years and goes to the olympics only to be unable to run, you can probably guess what medal they aren't winning. It's the same for the cup.

Anyways, Schneider has proven to be a solid goaltender, even though he's a rookie. Time will tell if he can dance with the stars, but he has had a good year. After a few blowouts, there is absolutely no reason NOT to give the kid a chance. Niemi was a beast under pressure his rookie season, why not this kid? A good goalie will not have their confidence shaken by a few blowouts and a nod to the kid. Luongo is experienced enough that he SHOULD know his place and that is as a starter to a team that is a favorite to win the cup.

That said, you're right that a cup contender should shut the door on the hawks in 4 chances, even though their regular season record wasn't impressive against them and the hawks are actually a rival of theirs now that seems to have their number. Playing Luongo is the only logical choice in this game seven. For those of you not from western Canada, I'll inform you: this game means more than just a game 7. Obviously this is their year, given the regular season, but last few years of post season and regular season vs chicago haven't exactly done things to help the relations. Every single canucks fan that I know (and there are A LOT in Calgary) HATES chicago, almost as much as they hate calgary. For those of us near ground zero, this is fucking intense. Talk about pressure, losing to someone that consistently embarrasses you (and maybe soon in what is perhaps the most embarrassing way) is NOT what the canucks fans had hoped for when dominating this season.

One thing I will point out is that the wings got the presidents trophy a few times and then fucked up in the first round. They publicly said that they were going to ease into playoffs by taking it easier on the player shifts and giving shitty players more ice time during the final stretch and as soon as they did that, they won the cup. Teams that are full throttle trying to win the presidents trophy can often burn out in the playoffs. Maybe some of this is creeping into Vancouver?

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To be fair, everyone here in Chicago hates the Canucks too. Not as much as the Red Wings but not too far off from it either. Canucks fans are a bunch of whiners too (not as bad as Habs fans but they sure try).
 
i love how one of the criteria for calling a conspiracy is comparative number of powerplays. It is not the refs sole duty to provide equal powerplays, it is his sole duty to punish cheaters and their teams.

Here's the box score for Game 4: Too Many Men penalty, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Game 5: High-sticking double-minor for Samuelsson and a roughing call on Bieksa at the end of the second. Game 6: Puck over the glass and a penalty shot.
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Too many men is subjective, but maybe they shouldn't have such sloppy changes? It's not secret that in game four vancouver was crying like little bitches, of bloody course they get unsportsmanlike penalties. That happens every time any team has a melt down. High sticking double minor- I wonder...was there BLOOD? I can't remember. Bieksa roughs all the damn time, players like that always do! As for the puck over the glass, well that is an automatic and the penalty shot is usually automatic too. THIS is why we hate vancouver fans in Calgary: They feel they are entitled to having more or equal power plays even if they are cheating at a higher rate and they absolutely bitch when the wind doesn't blow their way. I dunno if the author is just a crazed vancouver fan or if he is dale gribble but jesus christ people are stupid.

Holy SHIT huge night in hockey. Canadians Vs Bruins, Flyers Vs Sabres and Chicago Vs Vancouver....god damn, so much for being productive tonight.
 
So...in an effort to reduce tensions in this thread...

Any predictions for individual awards?

Hart - Sedin
Vezina - Thomas
Norris - Lidstrom
Calder - Skinner

Nobody really cares about the rest.
 
Calder - Grabner. He SHOULD get it, he was on the shittiest of the teams and had the least support.
Norris - Lidstrom as always.
Langkow - Masterton
Lady Byng-St. Louis- he had like 12 penalty mins all year lol
Vezina- Thomas
hart- Sedin

HOLY FUCKING SHIT Vancouver has nothing to cry about with bad reffing after montreal was robbed BLIND. That is damn embarrassing for the NHL. WOW.
 
Hart: Won't be nominated, but Henrik Lundqivst (by far the player who's team would be worst off without him)
Vezina: Tim Thomas
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom (though I still think Visnovsky was the best choice)
Masterton: Ray Emery
Calder: Jeff Skinner (numbers are close but he's a drastically better player than Grabner. Couture should be #2.)
Jack Adams: Dan Bylsma (but if Trotz could have it instead for finally getting to round 2 I'd be cool with that)

DGAF about the rest




Shit call on Myers that led to the Briere PPG, how do you make that fucking weak of a call in a Game 7.
 
Morm said:
Dear fanboy Eraddd:



Shut the fuck up, Eraddd. I am gonna rub shit all over your face if the canucks are knocked out. Good times.
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Translation: I know jack shit about hockey, and now am riding the coat tails of someone else who DID in fact watch the game instead of skimming highlights and switching channels. You're ignorant about hockey to the point where you point out characteristics in players that don't even exist or are straight up made up. I think Vineon already addressed those issues.
 
The fact that he concurred with me just added credence to what I was saying, maybe I should have spelled that out for you. When I said I watched parts, I mean I watched more than I missed. I understand you have your fanboy goggles so you can't be blamed for staggering ignorance, but you just made a hideous red herring by attacking the person and their credentials rather than what they were saying. Show me what is 'made up' or calm the fuck down.

Game 7 has been fucking awesome so far. Cept for Duncan Kieth, who has shit the bed, and the Sedins why have been so very silent. Corey Crawford is playing unbelievably good and the defense is collapsing well around him. Luongo has looked a bit shaky but honestly he hasn't needed to be as solid as Crawford has because the canucks are BLASTING the hawks with hits and when they put their foot on the gas...my god do I pity the hawks, they are SO good when they are on their game! Lapierre's line is probably the most annoying thing I've seen all year, they keep stripping the puck (usually off of D-men who aren't named Campbell) and bleeding the clock by pushing the hawks back into their own zone. Kesler has been a tough bastard to work around and Ballard has been a monster on defense. For the hawks, Bolland has been impressive as well.

What the FUCK is up with the refs? I mean they have called it fairly but the only reason for that is because they have looked the other way on dozens of penalties. THEN with 3 minutes left they call the trailing team on a soft hook? There are tons of better opportunities, I wonder what their deal is!

One positive thing I can say about Luongo, that weak goal aside, is that he's done a good job of taking away the bottom of the net.

Edit: HOLY SHIT nice goal by Burrows, man did he have a good game!!! Canucks deserved to win that one, unlike the last three.

Nashville is a bit trollish, Vancouver had better watch out, though I predict Vancouver wins that series (sort of like how I predicted Vancouver would win this series in 6).


So, Eraddd, you were saying about my hockey knowledge?
 
Morm said:
So, Eraddd, you were saying about my hockey knowledge? How about my bias against the canucks? I only hate their fans, not the team.
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My response in line with what you said before: suck it.

Crawford is tank. Burrows is a champ. Luongo has a gorilla off his back. Canucks are on the next rounder, beating their rivals. Story book ending.
 
Lol way to go Campoli. Feel bad for Crawford. I doubt Vancouver has what it takes to beat Detroit but that should be a great series which will probably happen.
 
I am so excited for montreal vs boston. My brother and dad are huge fans of boston and I like montreal so it should be fun! Their game was arguably more intense, at times, than the vancouver chicago game. Should be INSANE
 
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