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Fact: Raymond's injury was not dirty. Raymond was caught in a bad position between Boychuk and the boards, and got hit in an unfortunate spot.

We could really use Samuelsson and Hamhuis right now. And our second line just got shredded. Samuelsson and Raymond both gone. Hoping Hansen can step it up and Tambellini will be decent as a replacement.

There was a sighting of the old Sedin twins today in the third period. I'm expecting good things from them Game 7.

Edit: In Boston's defense, I'm pretty sure Boychuk didn't have any idea how vulnerable Raymond was. Hockey is a fast game, and it happened in less than 1 second. Boychuk isn't going to think "Let me check if he's alright BEFORE I slam him into the boards," but rather "hittttttttttttttttttttttttttttt... oops." No intent, but it was unnecessary.
 
I don't like how it has been coming down to "whoever can injure the most players on the other team wins". Have some class. The hit on Raymond was NOT dirty but it was so pointless and unnecessary - it could have been avoided.

It was legal but why do you hit a guy who's head is caught in your jersey and will clearly injure if you don't intend to injure? You know bending someones back severely and incredibly fast is going to cause more than just excruciating pain. He lost the puck, why do you finish that hit if you know it's going to possibly end someones hockey career.

The better man can show restraint where the weaker man gets caught up in everything and actually finishes a hit like that. "Unfortunate" indeed.

Note: Vancouver is guilty of this too. It's just a general statement.
 
Say what you will about the hit itself, but the worst part was the Boston crowd seeing Raymond lying on the ice and taking the opportunity to chant "Luooooooongoooooooo", and then as he is helped off the ice, chanting "Let's go Bruins".
 
11[23:08] <&BeauJacques> i just watched that hit on raymond by boychuk
11[23:09] <&BeauJacques> its not against the rules, but its fucking dirty
11[23:09] <&BeauJacques> that shows how little respect players have for each other these days

that's what I said last night and I stick by it, I agree with everything Heysup said
 
Heysup said:
I don't like how it has been coming down to "whoever can injure the most players on the other team wins"....The hit on Raymond was NOT dirty but it was so pointless and unnecessary

You know bending someones back severely and incredibly fast is going to cause more than just excruciating pain. He lost the puck, why do you finish that hit if you know it's going to possibly end someones hockey career.
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My sentiments exactly.

In Luongo I still (>.>) believe. Game 7 should be interesting. Go Canucks Go!
 
Heysup said:
I don't like how it has been coming down to "whoever can injure the most players on the other team wins". Have some class. The hit on Raymond was NOT dirty but it was so pointless and unnecessary - it could have been avoided.
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Yeah it could have been avoided if Boychuk didn't finish the check. But then if Raymond comes back around and gets into the play Boychuk gets shit from his coach on the bench. Hindsight is 20/20. He made the right play, Raymond just got caught in an awkward position, pretty much the definition of a freak injury. I feel bad for him, with all the crap that's happened in these Finals so far it's a shame something accidental happens on top of it.

Articuno64 said:
Say what you will about the hit itself, but the worst part was the Boston crowd seeing Raymond lying on the ice and taking the opportunity to chant "Luooooooongoooooooo", and then as he is helped off the ice, chanting "Let's go Bruins".
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Yeah, we should have been sensitive to the feelings of a team known for diving, flopping and faking injuries to get penalties. It's completely unreasonable to expect a capacity crowd to just stay silent when their team makes a good defensive play and then play is stopped. If the Boston fans cheered when he got up then you would have said "I can't believe they cheered when a Canucks player got hurt, what savages". Don't pretend like there was anything they could have done to make you "respect" Boston fans because we both know that won't happen.

Chill Murray said:
Boston fans are fucking terrible people.

If Vancouver wasn't such a shitty team to root for, I'd be rooting for them.
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Keep hating, I'll be going to my 7th championship parade this decade.
 
DM said:
11[23:08] <&BeauJacques> i just watched that hit on raymond by boychuk
11[23:09] <&BeauJacques> its not against the rules, but its fucking dirty
11[23:09] <&BeauJacques> that shows how little respect players have for each other these days

that's what I said last night and I stick by it, I agree with everything Heysup said
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I dont know why any team should have respect for anyone on Vancouver besides a few players at this point...

Also, to add to the fans comments, one time...one of the guys blew some kid up on the boards at our home rink, and while everything was quiet and the doctor was looking at him on the ice our fans started chanting "awkward moment."
 
I'm rooting for Boston, but if you're going to suspend Rome for the Horton hit, Boychuk should be suspended for the Raymond hit.

That was seriously painful to watch
 
jrrrrrrr retarded in every topic he posts in.

Psycho said:
I dont know why any team should have respect for anyone on Vancouver besides a few players at this point...

Also, to add to the fans comments, one time...one of the guys blew some kid up on the boards at our home rink, and while everything was quiet and the doctor was looking at him on the ice our fans started chanting "awkward moment."
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I'd say there are a few players I don't respect with the majority being just "no opinion". I don't see what Raymond has done to lose respect. It's like people who call the Sedins divers when really it's Henrik. It's annoying as Daniel gets hit and the refs assume he's diving when he's not.
 
popemobile said:
I'm rooting for Boston, but if you're going to suspend Rome for the Horton hit, Boychuk should be suspended for the Raymond hit.

That was seriously painful to watch
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Why? It just should have been an interference penalty. If you want to talk about suspensions how about Edler's hit. A race for the puck on an icing, and Edler doesn't even go for the puck, he just drills Peverley into the boards, while he is going at full speed. Its an illegal hit and one of the most dangerous hits in hockey.
 
jrrrrrrr said:
Don't pretend like there was anything they could have done to make you "respect" Boston fans because we both know that won't happen.
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Don't project your own inability to have a balanced, nuanced opinion onto me. In fact, I saw and noticed at the time that the Boston fans who were right at the glass on the play clapped for Raymond as he got up. It's obviously not everyone in the arena who is jeering, but it was just as loud as their regular chants, implying it was more than just a handful of drunk idiots.
 
I think jrrrrrrr just turned everyone against the Bruins. And I thought the Canucks had some terrible fairweather fans.

I believe in the Canucks. We were able to get that pushback in the third period, and showed that the Sedins could play. We just need to stop being terrible with our chances (Henrik's Sedin's miss on that bouncing puck on the open net, Daniel Sedin's crossbar + open net, Oreskovich not being able to shoot higher than a foot, Hansen hitting the post that looked like it went in). If we can convert early like we could have, Game 6 would have been a bit different and I think we can do that in Game 7.

Edit:
bodypaintcanucks.jpg

I approve. Got a picture with one of them
 
Psycho said:
I dont know why any team should have respect for anyone on Vancouver besides a few players at this point...
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and this is why the sport will never be cleaned up, thanks

"HE STARTED IT, WAHHHHHHHHH"

It's just like my dad said earlier today... "After watching these 6 games, I really can't root for either team to win." This is the worst Finals I've ever watched.
 
Horton hit: late, severe injury, 5-minute penalty and game misconduct, 4 game suspension
Raymond hit: late, severe injury, no penalty, no suspension
 
^ I don't know, Eraddd, I'd say there's plenty of dumb fairweather fan comments to go around for both sides.






I'm still hoping for a nuclear strike to destroy the arena and both teams during Game 7, but barring that at least I could take solace in a Tim Thomas cup.
 
Firestorm said:
jrrrrrrr retarded in every topic he posts in.
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I'd be infracted in a second if I posted anything like this.

Eraddd said:
I think jrrrrrrr just turned everyone against the Bruins. And I thought the Canucks had some terrible fairweather fans.
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I'm not a fairweather fan. I've actually been to a Bruins game this season and I've been watching the Bruins almost religiously for the entire Julien era. Keep the baseless accusations coming, I'm almost drowning in Canuck fan tears over here.
Lone_Prodigy said:
Horton hit: late, severe injury, 5-minute penalty and game misconduct, 4 game suspension
Raymond hit: late, severe injury, no penalty, no suspension
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The Raymond hit wasn't late and was an interference penalty at the very worst. The guy went into the boards in the fetal position and hit his back awkwardly, I can't believe you're comparing it to a hit where someone left their skates to hit someone directly in the head. And you guys call me bad =\

It's pretty scary that Vancouver, a team that rolls over and dies if they give up a goal on the road, a team that lets their alt. captain get punched in the face by a rookie without standing up for him, is one win away from the cup. I hope that's not where the NHL is headed.

Either way tomorrow's gonna be one hell of a game. I can't wait. Nathan Nation baby.
 
Attention World: Just because they're both named Sedin does not mean they're the same person. One is actually an Olympic diver and wears the C. He's our captain. The other is not and is a fairly respectable hockey player. Please stop getting them mixed up. We even differentiate with letters and numbers to help.
 
jrrrrrrr said:
The Raymond hit wasn't late and was an interference penalty at the very worst. The guy went into the boards in the fetal position and hit his back awkwardly, I can't believe you're comparing it to a hit where someone left their skates to hit someone directly in the head. And you guys call me bad =\
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Yes it was late. Yes it was interference at the worst. Yes it is dirty.

Intent to injure? No. Intent to finish his check? Yes.

As for the comparison: no they can not be compared. The NHL is trying to get rid of headshots, so obviously when a headshot occurs, they're going to be harsh on the suspension. They're not trying to get rid of interference calls where a guy ends up with his back to the boards and destroys his spine. It's an accident, it happens. It was also an expected hit that did damage because of where the hit occurred, not an unexpected, open ice hit.

I also thought the Canuck player who hit the Bruin on that delayed icing (Marchand who got hit? Can't remember) was much more dirty than a late check into the boards. If that was an injury that would be a suspension, but again I go back to the NHL only suspending if there's an injury or someone does something insanely stupid (like throwing a blatant elbow). The NHL is so bad with suspensions it's ridiculous.


I really hope they actually look into Don Cherry's idea of getting rid of large shoulder pads. They can limit what goalies can wear, so surely there's precedence for limiting shoulder pads. It should be fairly easy to test if those pads actually do more damage.
 
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