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The Everything NHL Thread
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First time since the Wings' last cup win I could enjoy a team winning, it was nice. Kinda cathartic to see Thomas and Bergeron and Recchi lift the cup... not one of my favorite teams, but I respect the leadership of that team, I'm glad to see them rewarded. I was talking to my parents about how good it was to see Bergeron playing well when he scored the third goal after all the shit he's been through with the concussions... it's a team I can feel good about from the outside. If it wasn't gonna be one of my teams, I'm happy it was them.
Love Thomas' interview, too. After years of boring, emotionless, tagline interviews from people like Crosby it's nice to see someone more emotional and pure. That's what sports are all about.
Love Thomas' interview, too. After years of boring, emotionless, tagline interviews from people like Crosby it's nice to see someone more emotional and pure. That's what sports are all about.
I thought the Vancouver fans were awesome. They cheered the Bruins and gave Lucic a huge ovation.
The "Bettman Sucks" chant was pretty much the best Stanley Cup ending ever.
The "Bettman Sucks" chant was pretty much the best Stanley Cup ending ever.
They cheered in the arena. On forums every Canucks fan I see is complaining about the refs and how they got screwed, while outside of the arena they've already managed to flip a car:
http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/home/canucks_fans_flip_car_over_climb_light_poles/003ac20b
No respect for the Canuck fans at all. Although the anti-Bettman stuff I will always find hilarious.
I heard a lot of booing from the Canucks fans, but it didn't really bother me. I mean, I wouldn't expect them to cheer the away team, and it almost made the win more sweet. And if Vancouver had won in Boston, I think there probably would have been an even worse reaction from Boston's fans. I think Recchi and Siedenburg both said "fuckin right" while hoisting the cup, heh.
I missed a little bit of the game because I was watching the Red Sox dominate, but it looked to be mostly a good game, not as many dives or late hits that marred earlier games. I enjoyed it, but did I just miss the dirty plays? Either way, congrats to Boston and Timmy Thomas
I missed a little bit of the game because I was watching the Red Sox dominate, but it looked to be mostly a good game, not as many dives or late hits that marred earlier games. I enjoyed it, but did I just miss the dirty plays? Either way, congrats to Boston and Timmy Thomas
Only dirty hit was the one on Chara in the second(?) period. Could have been called for interference, elbowing, charging, or a number of other things, but no penalty was called.
Still, not that it mattered. Putting up with Boston's fan's shit for the next year will be well worth the Canucks losing.
Still, not that it mattered. Putting up with Boston's fan's shit for the next year will be well worth the Canucks losing.
They were cheering for you. They were booing Bettman. The commissioner isn't very well-liked especially in Canada.
We played a shitty game. It's really hard to defend the lack of heart the team showed tonight. I'm not sure what happened. There were definitely a few chances but I didn't feel like I was watching Game 7 of the Stanley Cup playoffs at all =/
And please. Chances of those rioters being fans are nil to none. Those are the ones just wanting to cause shit. Retards with signs that say "RIOT 2011" etc. Ugh. Pretty universally condemned by everyone. That's basically all my Facebook feed is right now. People bitching about the rioters.
That's good then, I'm just trying to call it as I see it with the information at my disposal.
I hate Boston fans even more than Vancouver fans, but this isn't a place for a rant like that.
Now to look forward to the Winnipeg team being officially accepted by the board of Governors (as if there is any doubt), and then the Winnipeg team likely having a name and jersey before the draft in the next 10 days (that's me making an assumption. It would be silly if it weren't announced by then).
I hate Boston fans even more than Vancouver fans, but this isn't a place for a rant like that.
Now to look forward to the Winnipeg team being officially accepted by the board of Governors (as if there is any doubt), and then the Winnipeg team likely having a name and jersey before the draft in the next 10 days (that's me making an assumption. It would be silly if it weren't announced by then).
Cansucks suck it so hard and lose, shock factor = 0
I feel bad for the Canucks but Tim Thomas deserved that Stanley Cup more than either team did as a separate entity. You could put the Manitoba Moose in front of Tim Thomas and they would have won the series.
Luongo makes me sick. He talks smack about arguably the best goalie (most saves in a series) performance in a Stanley Cup series, and then lets in some of the worst goals. I could barely watch some of the Canucks' faces as they watched the puck go in during the first goal because Luongo did the EXACT SAME THING - he just froze and watched it glide by him. The combo of coaching and thus goaltending blew the series for Canucks. I'm confident they would have won if they put Schneider for any of the Boston games, and at the very least the final after the first terrible goal.
A little while and about 5 beers later I was laughing my ass off when that shorthanded goal went in....it's like the Luongo and the puck were opposite charges of a magnet and it pushed Luongo away.
EDIT: But who cares, GO JETS GO
Luongo makes me sick. He talks smack about arguably the best goalie (most saves in a series) performance in a Stanley Cup series, and then lets in some of the worst goals. I could barely watch some of the Canucks' faces as they watched the puck go in during the first goal because Luongo did the EXACT SAME THING - he just froze and watched it glide by him. The combo of coaching and thus goaltending blew the series for Canucks. I'm confident they would have won if they put Schneider for any of the Boston games, and at the very least the final after the first terrible goal.
A little while and about 5 beers later I was laughing my ass off when that shorthanded goal went in....it's like the Luongo and the puck were opposite charges of a magnet and it pushed Luongo away.
EDIT: But who cares, GO JETS GO
I'm confident they wouldn't have, as you don't ever win a game by scoring no goal. Or perhaps are you expecting Schneider to score some?
Coaching and goaltending? It seems there is something else you missed that didn't work at all. What about a power play that seemed stolen from the Bruins' playbook? Or twins that had you believe they were Olsen rather than Sedin. Or maybe we can just lump all of this under 'coaching'?
And besides, can we lay off Luongo and especially not try to ram his reputation to the ground by portraying him as a trash talker, something he never was?
Dear fucking god, the people of Vancouver are making themselves look like fucking idiots. And it's not even Canucks fans; a lot of them are there to reenact the 1994 riots, and cause general trouble. Fucking idiots.
Canucks deserved to lose this one. We played a disgusting game and Boston played admirably today. Props go to Thomas, for being the wall that he is, and to Marchant, for the clutchness in his play, and for breaking out into the finals.
I don't want to say good serious (because obviously there's the general animosity around), but I would like to thank the Bruins for this final all around, and also, hats off to most Bruins fans for being a class act, especially the ones on Reddit.
Vineon, Luongo will never ever get any respect, regardless of what he does. Especially with this game 7 on his shoulders, no one will let him go of this.
Finally, a nice big "Fuck you" to fans who were booing the American anthem. Shit just disgusts me.
Canucks deserved to lose this one. We played a disgusting game and Boston played admirably today. Props go to Thomas, for being the wall that he is, and to Marchant, for the clutchness in his play, and for breaking out into the finals.
I don't want to say good serious (because obviously there's the general animosity around), but I would like to thank the Bruins for this final all around, and also, hats off to most Bruins fans for being a class act, especially the ones on Reddit.
Vineon, Luongo will never ever get any respect, regardless of what he does. Especially with this game 7 on his shoulders, no one will let him go of this.
Finally, a nice big "Fuck you" to fans who were booing the American anthem. Shit just disgusts me.
I haven't seen the presser, but the trashtalking complaint is pretty legit based on what the Versus guys were saying. I can dig him being a little bitter about the way Thomas is being portrayed compared to how he is, but it would be hard to imagine a worse situation to give the other team that extra motivation or a worse target to criticize. Not like it's a chronic thing for him, but man... I actually didn't think he was that bad in Game 7 compared to the Boston games(where he was pretty indefensible), as much as I'd have expected to see him stop most of what went in there the Canucks weren't controlling the puck all night and that makes for a tough goalie game. I liked that save he had with like a minute and change left even though it was super irrelevant, at least worth some respect he didn't dial it in at the end.
To quote my friend: "Sedin sisters. Two girls, no cup."
This was a great series to watch. Hockey is the only sport my entire family follows, so it was nice to finally see our team win it all. Thomas was brilliant and Marchand looked like a lot more than a rookie out there.
I think you need to hear it though.
He was asked to comment on the Lapierre goal and said that while Thomas makes saves he wouldn't make because of his aggressive style, he would have personally made this save because he stays "in the paint".
Probably not the greatest of idea to comment on another goalie's style in a Stanley Cup series but 'trash talking' I've seen better. It's certainly not any that warrants people saying Luongo "makes them sick" for it.
If anyone wants to hate the guy, that is fine. I just wish people kept it to his subpar performances rather than try to take it on the man. He doesn't deserve it.
Watched the chain of interviews related to Luongo on nhl.com. The words he says aren't like ultra insulting but the way he says it is pretty condescending. It's definitely not "I can't hear you with these Stanley Cup rings in my ears" type arrogant BS but it's something I sure wouldn't want my goalie saying, too. I'm sure I'm seeing it through the lens that the American media is giving me on some level, which I'm sure is very different from what the Canadian media is giving some of you given the players involved, but even fellow goalie/analyst Kevin Weekes seemed to think that was a lot of BS there. To me it comes off like Luongo was getting a little cocky after his shutout in Game 5 and started talking shit a little too early, but he may not have meant it that way. Julien was talking shit about Luongo's goals against in response which was just as silly, though. Regardless, it's kind of telling that in the followup interview Luongo kinda danced around it while not taking the chance to claim he WASN'T trying to slight Thomas when asked... I think that both sides would talk some shit is some of the fun of this series though, was a lot of emotion and hate both ways, that makes for fun hockey.
EDIT: I used the word arrogant here, but I don't think that's really the right description. I get the feeling Luongo getting a little aggressive in the media is more out of like a kind of defiance -- he's coming off a shutout up 3-2 in the SCF finals at that point with a gold medal under his belt and he's not getting respect and it's pissing him off a little. Different implication there, I think.
Fun notes: noticed Cam Neely (now team president) got to lift the cup when the Bruins won, too. He was kinda a funny forgotten face in all the "yay Ray Borque won a cup with another team all is right in the world now" shit since he, you know, didn't, so I guess it's kinda neat he got to as an executive.
Also, another thing I was rambling about to my parents last night that is a stat the half or so of us posting here from the US should appreciate Thomas for...
(Also worth noting: lot of talk last year about the Cup+Gold in one year for people like Toews, but how about the last 18 months for Bergeron? Amazing where he's come since the concussion crap started clearing up)
Interestingly this was the highest rated playoff game on NBC since the Ducks/Devils game 7 in 2003, which is impressive since Vancouver's local ratings don't contribute and both of those teams' did (and were in large markets if you count the Devils in with general metro NY area). Bostons' average rating was higher for the Bruins than the Celtics in their finals run, which makes me smile as a hockey guy.
Some other ridiculous stats on nhl.com
and two from puck daddy
I'm super biased on this one since Lidstrom was the first, but after all the shit I heard for years about how teams couldn't win with a European captain or stars and that the Europeans didn't care, did Chara look like a guy who didn't care to anyone when you saw his reaction lifting the cup or playing goalie and blocking that shot with his knee last night?
Also, what a bunch of idiots:
Extra note: how scary are the Bruins moving forward? They'll lose Thomas soon and Recchi now, but Bergeron, Lucic, and Horton are young, Chara and Seidenberg probably have plenty in the tank, Marchand just broke the fuck out and there's still that Seguin guy waiting to get more ice time(and the #9 overall pick, great job Toronto!)... not to mention Rask to handle the goaltending when Thomas is gone. Great time not to be in that division!
EDIT: I used the word arrogant here, but I don't think that's really the right description. I get the feeling Luongo getting a little aggressive in the media is more out of like a kind of defiance -- he's coming off a shutout up 3-2 in the SCF finals at that point with a gold medal under his belt and he's not getting respect and it's pissing him off a little. Different implication there, I think.
Fun notes: noticed Cam Neely (now team president) got to lift the cup when the Bruins won, too. He was kinda a funny forgotten face in all the "yay Ray Borque won a cup with another team all is right in the world now" shit since he, you know, didn't, so I guess it's kinda neat he got to as an executive.
Also, another thing I was rambling about to my parents last night that is a stat the half or so of us posting here from the US should appreciate Thomas for...
(Also worth noting: lot of talk last year about the Cup+Gold in one year for people like Toews, but how about the last 18 months for Bergeron? Amazing where he's come since the concussion crap started clearing up)
Interestingly this was the highest rated playoff game on NBC since the Ducks/Devils game 7 in 2003, which is impressive since Vancouver's local ratings don't contribute and both of those teams' did (and were in large markets if you count the Devils in with general metro NY area). Bostons' average rating was higher for the Bruins than the Celtics in their finals run, which makes me smile as a hockey guy.
Some other ridiculous stats on nhl.com
and two from puck daddy
I'm super biased on this one since Lidstrom was the first, but after all the shit I heard for years about how teams couldn't win with a European captain or stars and that the Europeans didn't care, did Chara look like a guy who didn't care to anyone when you saw his reaction lifting the cup or playing goalie and blocking that shot with his knee last night?
Also, what a bunch of idiots:
Extra note: how scary are the Bruins moving forward? They'll lose Thomas soon and Recchi now, but Bergeron, Lucic, and Horton are young, Chara and Seidenberg probably have plenty in the tank, Marchand just broke the fuck out and there's still that Seguin guy waiting to get more ice time(and the #9 overall pick, great job Toronto!)... not to mention Rask to handle the goaltending when Thomas is gone. Great time not to be in that division!
I'm not sure it matters what he said or whether it was intended to be condescending (although I agree with Synre that it kinda was), the fact that Luongo was talking about the faults of the other goalie at all just shows how mentally frail he is. Thomas outperformed him in the finals and instead of worrying about winning the cup, he was worried about what people were saying about him...that he wasn't getting enough credit etc. Not to mention the fact that his comments about himself were blatantly false, the dude gave up soft goals and goals through his legs precisely because he was staying in the paint. The difference between Thomas and Luongo was that while Luongo was out talking to the media about himself, Thomas was humble and focused solely on winning.
That just shows where his priorities were, which inevitably comes from poor coaching. Vigneault was showing the same misplaced priorities through the series. While he was complaining to the refs, Julien was making tweaks to his lines on the ice and got results. Julien loses a player to a dirty hit and lets the NHL deal with it...Vigneault's player bites someone and he's worried about a backlash against his team from the refs. It makes me laugh even more because if the refs really called everything that could have been a foul like he wanted, the Canucks would have been way worse off than the Bruins. Henrik Sedin had more diving penalties than goals in this series, and he could have easily been called for more. Vigneault even said that he wasn't expecting the Bruins to play after the whistle, and that caught him off guard. Has he ever watched an NHL game? It's like he was just expecting his team's skill to magically put the puck in the net without having any opposition. The Canucks rolled over and died in all 3 games in Boston, there's no real explanation for that considering how tough the Canucks were at home.
edit- Parade starts at 11 am Saturday at the Garden. Anyone else going?
No, this comment had to do with one goal, Lapierre's, in which Thomas was caught too out of position to block the rebound off the boards. Luongo was saying that he would have stopped THAT goal because he stays in the crease and that probably would have been the case.
As for goals he allows because he stays deep in his net, he did say that Thomas' aggressive style allows him to make saves he doesn't make.
I don't know, I didn't hear anything about it in the Canadian media (not saying they didn't say anything about it, just that none of it got to my ears), I missed the whole ordeal. I learned about it when I watched Thomas' press conference on NHL.com after which I instantly tried to see what Luongo had said. I was really hoping for some real trash talking, as was sold by the reporters begging for a story and priming Thomas for a reaction (they got none) and ended up disappointed. I've certainly never seen trash talking in which you praise the person you talk trash about.
