The Gungan Who Would Be Boss. An OU RMT

Lucien Lachance

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This team is centered around a SD Breloom sweep. I think Breloom looks very similar to a Gungan.​

Changes will be in bold.​

The Team Building Process:​

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As you already know, Breloom is the star of this team so I obviously started with him. He DOES look like a Gungan. I will say. Water, Fire, and Grass cores are amazing, so I needed a water pokemon. It was either Starmie or Empoleon. I love Empoleon becuase I adore Penguins, but I used Starmie a lot and he owns. Unfortunately, Starmie is very predictable while Empoleon has a lot of different sets to use and is very unpredictable. I decided to go with Empoleon.​

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Empoleon is a boss pokemon. His very wide movepool means he is very unpredictable. Now I needed a Fire pokemon. It was down to either Infernape or Heatran. Infernape is pretty frail and so is Breloom. So i didn't want that. Heatran had very nice defensive stats so I chose Heatran.​

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Now, I had a Fire, Water, and Grass core. Unfortunately, 2 of them were weak to EQ. Can't have that now can we? I wanted 2 EQ immunities. Gengar came to mind becuase of his ability to hit a lot of pokemon hard and quick. So i put him on the team.​

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Now, for my second EQ immunity. I had 2 Physical and 2 Special attackers. So it really didn't matter which side they attacked from. It was either a flyer or a pokemon with levitate. I wanted a pokemon who can hit for a good amount of damage and had nice speed. I decided Flygon was the pokemon for me. He resists several attacks aimed at my pokemon as well as hitting hard right back to them.​

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Now, I had the whole team worked out save a lead. I wanted a special one becuase I had 1 more Physical attacker, but I wanted SR too. I decided to go with Swampert becuase he has only 1 weakness, grass, and that is soaked up by Heatran. I could have gone with Azelf, but I like Swamperts Ability to wall physical pretty well.​

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Now the team is assembled. Each one has it's own specific job and role among the team. But now to find out what thoses jobs are.​

The In-Depth Analysis:​

The Lead:​

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Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Protect​

Swampert is a pain to be against unless you have a pokemon that packs a grass move. Which is exactly why Protect is there. I know that people make new leads specifically to beat Swampert and Machamp leads. I hate it when people use HP Grass to KO Swampert. I use protect to scout what the opponent is going to do. Ice beam beats out Gliscor and Aerodactyl leads while EQ is for STAB and hitting hard. SR is necessary.​

Swampert helps overall a lot better than Jirachi. Sure Jirachi can ruin a set-up poke with Scarf, but Swampert always gets up SR if I play it smart, I'm not going to wait 3 turns on Roserade and allow it to set-up T-Spikes... really? I can also come back to soak up damage and dish out a bit too.​

I would put how I do against the leads, but do we really need it? I don't think so.​

The Hard Hitter:​

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Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Substitute ​

SubTran replaced ScarfTran, who replaced LOTran. It seems weird, but LOTran was outclassed by ScarfTran, who was outclassed by SubTran. Each time I switch, my team improved and improved ever so slightly. Earth Power is useful against Jirachi's and opposing Heatrans, if I predict a switch. Flamethrower is now being chosen more often than Fire Blast becuase of hax, or missing 6 times in a row and losing matches becuase of 85 accuracy. HP Electric, Grass, or Ice... Tough choice but I Gengar with HP Ice so that was out. Grass hit Pert and waters, but Electric hits Gyarados and waters. Gyarados was more of a threat than Pert. Substitude is standard.​

The Back-Up Sweeper:​

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Empoleon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/160 Def/4 Spd/92 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Jet
- Drill Peck
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance​

Now it looks like an odd set. It's the same moves as the Swords Dance set, but the EVs as the Defensive Penguin Set. That is correct. I come out on something it resists and uses Swords Dance as it switches, usually to Blissey. They get suprised as I SD. The usually switch so I use SD again as they switch again. Works great!​

I tried out DDGyara, and I didn't like it as much as SD Empoleon with Defensive EVs. Everyone hates the penguin. I'll be testing out a LO Starmie, SubAgility, and a Mixed Lucario. I would like to keep empoleon because of his list of resistences but I'll keep whomever works best.
SubAgi is WAY to predictable and easily walled by opposing Vaporeons and Suicunes. Not good. Starmie works wonders and is nice. Haven't used Lucario yet.​

The Resistence:​

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Flygon (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- U-turn​

ScarfGon works amazingly well. Scouting is it's main function, revealing a good amount of the enemy team and being also being able revenge kill a good amount of pokemon. EQ hits a lot pokemon very hard as well as KOing Heatran and Jirachi. Fire Blast deals with grass types and other pesky steels. Outrage isn't really my first choice for a move. It's amazingly strong, but being locking in place for 2-3 turns is NOT good. A SD Scizor can just come right in and set-up. Not good. U-turn is the primary move. Dealing good damage as well as scouting.​

The Fast Hitter:
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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt​

I'm using Scarf Gengar has DDGyara and DDNite are becoming more and more popular lately so I love being able to outspeed them. I chose Modest nature becuase I outspeed DDGyara and DDNite after 1 DD. Modest is very helpful becuase it turns some 2HKOs into OHKOs and 3HKOs into 2HKOs. Focus Blast deals effectively with Heatran, Blissey and Snorlax. HP Ice hits Aerodactyl, Gliscor, and most notiably DDNite. Shadow Ball is for STAB as well as guessing when a Gengar is coming in. Thunderbolt is for DDGyara and other waters. When I die from LO recoil or an explosion, Gengar is a good choice to send in blindly as he hits a lot of threats very hard.​

Someone suggested SubLOGar. I will NOT use that becuase ScarfGar does several things that SubLO cannot. Like outspeed opposing Gengars, Jolteons, and of course DDGyarados and DDNite.​

The Gungan who would be Boss, The Star:​


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Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 12 HP/252 Atk/244 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Spore
- Mach Punch​

The star of this team as well as a suprising sweeper. Coming out on a pokemon like Blissey and blindly Sporing on the switch works very well. From there I use SD as they switch again and procede to sweep. Mach Punch is amazing with +2 and STAB. Stone Edge provides very nice coverage alongside Mach Punch. I try to keep Breloom back becuase I think he's a little to trump. He comes out and guarentees me victory. I don't like that at all. I want to actually give them a chance to win. I usually don't need to use Breloom anyway so it's all good.​

Any Changes?​

I'm trying out a Starmie as a rapid spinner but I don't really need it. None of my pokemon have weakness to SR. Excessive Spikes and T-Spikes hurt but I haven't gone against stall yet and only onces has someone put up Spikes and T-Spikes and I still won. Starmie is helpful but Entry hazards dont hurt me too much.​

Thanks for reading the whole thing! All comments are appericated!​
 
Definitely do not run Hyper Beam on Heatran, even if you do KO with it, you cannot switch out on the recharge turn and therefore become incredibly vulnerable to revenge killing from say, a Flygon. Heatran has better options, Explosion is better for taking out pesky Blissey, alternatively you can run HP Grass to take out opposing Swamperts or HP Electric for the surprise KO on Gyarados.
 
Hi, I saw this team so I'm going to rate it. 9.9

First of all, I like the prospect of a Breloom sweep, because its my favorite OU pokemon, besides Infernape. (I'm a sucker for Fighting-types). His set looks good, but I think some of you teammates choices are questionable. Specifically the movesets chosen for them.

I'm not crazy about Swampert leads to be honest. It "loses" to almost every lead in one way or another. Since you didn't do it in your OP, I will do leadmatchups v. the top 10 leads.

Azelf - Tuanted, lives thanks to Sash, still gets up rocks.
Aerodactyl - Taunts, then rocks.
Swampert - well you both get your rocks up and its a crap shoot from there
Machamp - Dynamicpunch Dynamicpunch Dynamicpunch Dynamicpunch Dynamicpunch
Metagross - Still gets rocks up, im pretty sure it lives an EQ too.
Jirachi - Tricks you, gets up rocks or switches to something to set up ; alternatively gets up rocks and switches ; or U-Turn straight to a counter
Infernape - gets rocks up, im pretty sure a Close Combat does a lot too.
Ninjask - nothing doing here. you can just roar it away, so you beat that one.
Roserade - Sleep Powder -> T-Spikes x2 -> Leaf Storm
Hippowdon - Still gets rocks up but cant do much back.

I would suggest Celebi as a lead, for the same reason Tangerine used a Garchomp lead in this RMT. The same general things can be used to take on Breloom and Celebi due to their common Grass-typing. Celebi is also a wonderful supporter and pretty good at taking hits.

Celebi @ Leftovers / Occa Berry | 40 HP / 252 SpAtk / 216 Spe | Timid
Leaf Storm | Stealth Rock | Earth Power | U-Turn (Alt. Hidden Power Ice/Fire)

On Heatran, use Explosion instead. Its actually stronger, since Explosion halves your opponents defense, and Hyper Beam gives your opponent a free turn of set-up. Or, you could just run Hidden Power [Grass], to hit Swampert et al. Keeping you from having to Explode and going down 1 mon. Hyper is just a horrible move that should never see competitive play unless it is on Adv. Slaking.

That Empoleon set, sorry to say it, but its horrible. Regular SD Empoleon set can't even OHKO weak threats like Hasty Gengar. Mind you, thats with full attack investment. So without that, it won't get close to doing anything but dying. If you want something like that Empoleon, I would suggest Dragon Dance Gyarados. Its much better, much stronger and has Intimidate.

Gyarados @ Life Orb | 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe| Jolly Nature
Dragon Dance | Ice Fang | Waterfall | Earthquake

If I were you I would just go with Scarf Flygon and SubLO Gengar. Instead of the Reverse. Flygon is able to get Dragonite and Kingdra, but isn't weak to Pursuit. Gengar will be a much more effective sweeper.

Flygon @ Choice Scarf | 252 Atk | 4 SpA | 252 Spe | Jolly Nature
Earthquake | Outrage | U-Turn | Fire Blast

Gengar @ Life Orb | 4 HP | 252 SpA | 252 Spe | Timid Nature
Shadow Ball | Focus Blast | Substitute | Pain Split

I hope my changes helped and good luck. If you need any further explanations, please feel free to PM me. :toast:
 
I completely agree with Alan, your team has a frightening weakness to skarmbliss. a small preference on the above flygon set is if you are using Fire Blast, run Naive. You could also run Thunderpunch (in which case Jolly is better). This helps out with Gyarados at the cost of threatening steels. The steels are handled by heatran well enough.

for Gengar, i like Alan's set because it has fun with stall. i was going to suggest the same set.

Empoleon's set is a megafail. Yes it is unpredictable, but it doesnt have the raw power to work. instead, gyarados does work.
Gyarados @ Life Orb | 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe| Adamant
Dragon Dance | Stone Edge | Waterfall | Earthquake

Swampert is not working, i recommend Tyranitar in its place. I dont know quite what to put for your lead, but Tyranitar is a MUST on a team based on SD breloom. traps and kills every threat to Breloom including Starmie and Celebi.
Tyranitar @ Expert Belt | 252 Atk / 48 SpA / 208 Spe| Hasty
Cruch | Pursuit | Superpower | Flamethrower
This set can bring out threats to breloom early in the game and eliminate them.

Good luck with your team :D sorry if this rate seems poorly done, im really tired.
 
@ Alan - Celebi seems fine. I really had no idea for a lead but Swampert just kinda fit. I would use Celebi but that put me with an ice weakness. Jirachi can do the similar function, but leaves me ground weak. So... no idea what to do. Might I suggest checking a type analysis before suggesting pokes?

I should probably revamp the team, I started running ScarfTran because it helps a lot. I also used HP Electric to deal with Gyara when Gengar is gone. So i'll get to work on that!

Just today I swept a team with that Empoleon. The point is to switch in on something I resist and SD as they switch and SD again as they switch again. From there I hit very hard. With SR from Swampert, Empoleon becomes a beast. Although Gyarados really helps my defensives. It allows me to then use Jirachi as a lead who functions about the same as the Celebi you suggested. So i'll try it out later.

I would use ScarfGon and SubLO Gengar, but there was an incident where they had a Jolteon and a Gengar. I outspeed the Jolteon and almost KO'd with Shadow Ball. They didn't KO with Signal Beam. i finish with Shadow Ball and from there KO Gengar. Sub would have put me at a lose there. Would i use ScarfGon I don't know. Any insight?

@ Muffin - I see you've put your soul to good use. Smogon has taught you very well. TTar can be helpful, but can't i just use like a Scizor? I don't think Breloom would like SS. I think Scizor works a little better. I'll try them out and revamp the team a little later.
 
the thing with your empoleon set is that this makes your 3 of your team members completely physical. you dont want that on ANY team. you could try a mixed version of empoleon (though im not sure how well this would work)
Empoleon @ Life Orb, Naughty/Lonely
252 Atk/ 252 Spec Atk/ 6 Spe
Swords Dance | Aqua Jet | Earthquake | Ice Beam

This could effectively work just as well but also NOT be easily defeated by dragonite. any offensive Dragonite kindof messes with your team (especially after one DD). This still lets you get the 2hko on blissey with EQ, and prevents Dnite from setting up on this penguin.

Also about ttar: poison heal gets 1/8 back, sand does 1/16. Essentially, instead of you gaining 1/8 and them staying the same, you gain 1/16 and they lose 1/16 (still a difference of 1/8)

On a team that is looking for a specific sweeper to set up, Choice Scarf Flygon is a must. resistance to stealth rock and superior scouting make it too good to pass up. You can send Flygon in on pretty much anything to revenge/ scout it.

Scizor does not go well with this team: too much pure physical attacking

good luck :D
 
Muffin, I like being balanced. 3 physical and 3 special. I decided on a lead last becuase I hate being tied down like that.

Nite is NOT a problem. I have Gengar and Swampert if he comes out early and I still have Pert.

I would use TTar, but heal an 1/8 has saved my butt in so many occasions.

I'm trying out ScarfGon.

Don't know why you hate having 3 physical attackers? the most common physical wall is Skarm. Easily dealt with Gengar, heatran, and I scare / use as set-up fooder with Empoleon. Being to Special based is what is bad. Blissey destroys special attackers while Snorlax can just Curse and rest off any damage. I don't understand your hate!
 
Ok well after looking through Heres my 2p and i hope it helps, first empoleon just doesnt seem to work, a much better pokemon would be a Lo starmie with rapid spin to get rid of those annoying spikes and such and it also scares off common switch ins to rapid spinners. or the rapid spinner set one of these.

Rapid Spinner

Leftovers
natural Cure
Timid
136 HP / 156 Def / 216 Spe
Moveset
~ Rapid Spin
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~ Recover

or the Lo set which does leave you without suitable healing.

Life Orb

Life Orb
Natural Cure
Timid
EVs 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Moveset
~ Hydro Pump / Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~ Ice Beam
~ Rapid spin

This leaves you with different weakness to what you had before namely. 2 to bug 2 to ghost and 2 to dark.
 
I'll try out the LOstarmie you suggested. I'm very pleased to know that it doesn't screw up my weaknesses. I did say I wanted a Rapid Spinner did I not? I am going to miss being able to lure in an EQ user and just soak it up and KO it. :( I'll keep you posted
 
hmmmm well i must start by saying... breloom does look like a gungan, and is an epic sweeper, as you have shown here :) he is also one of my favorite pokemon. that said, i would run explosion over hyperbeam on heatran, most defintely. hyperbeam leaves you prone to pokemon who set up which isn't good. explosion provides you way more power to blast through stuff.
 
silver - My diamond was stolen too... along with my DS and my Fire Red. :(. Oh well.

Heatran runs a variation of SubLO with Earth Power, Flamethrower, HP Electric, and Sub.
 
First of all, you should be running the SubAgiliPetayta set on Empoleon. I highly recommend it. You should tell us what team you were up against when the sweep happened.

On the other hand, you should try putting a mixed Lucario on your team. Something along the lines of... I don't know tbh, not enough resources at the minute... let's say...
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Lucario@ Life Orb
+Sp. Atk / - Def
252 Spd / 130 Sp. Atk / 126 Atk

~Stone Edge
~Bullet Punch
~Dark Pulse
~Aura Sphere
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Seriously, I don't have PO or Shoddy at the moment. so if there's anything wrong with my moveset, feel free to say that it's useless, or workable, or anything.

And I know what you feel about being balanced with your teams.
 
I'll try out SubAgility. I liked SD becuase a blissey expects that set and switches out again while I end up getting +4 attack. From there it's pretty easy to 2HKO or OHKO almost every pokemon they send out at me. The sweep was a while ago so I don't remember exactly what their pokemon were.

I'll also try out that lucario you suggested. I'll then choose one of the 3 sets to either replace the set, entirely replace empoleon, or just keep the one I have currently.

Your DS is stolen too O.O jeez...
 
I don't really like has an empolen. Not everyone has a blissey, so your chances are diminished of getting+4and if they run Skarm-Bliss- Skarm laughs at empoleon and whirlwinds it out. Rotom comes in and hits way to hard for empoleon simply zapping it, as does zapdos. Any type of Magnezone does something similar except you can't even switch. Suprisingly dry skin toxicroak completely laughs at this set koing with cross chop. I reccomend you either use a different poke, or sub agility.
 
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