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There's no bullshit about Machida dude.

The guy will always hang around the top 3 or 4 as long as he continues to fight. Only guy that really threatens him at 205 besides Shogun is Rampage. Lil Nog and Silva won't fight him.

No bullshit...? People overrated Machida so much its not funny. They hyped him more than Kimbo Slice. I have nothing at all against Machida, I actually think he is a great fighter, but not the "best in LHW".

Now I want Rampage to knock Rashad the fuck out.
 
He is one of the best at 205, it's well known.

I didn't know that Nog would fight him I assumed the Black House guys wouldn't fight each other, period.

Rampage is going to KO Evans, Iggy
 
Rampage is going to KO Evans, Iggy

Rashad is going to jab Rampage to death.. slowly.


Lil Nog and Machida have said they would fight one another, under the right circumstances (I'm assuming for the title, or #1 contender). Machida and Anderson won't fight, period.

I want to see that (Rogerio vs Machida) actually..


Besides Anderson Silva, who else gives Shogun a challenge right now at 205? And besides Shogun, who beats Machida?

Well, I can't find the gif but I was going to post Rogerio Nogueira punching Shogun in the face in 2005 (sidenote: Shogun has a fucking good chin, that shot should've put him out).
 
Evans isn't composed enough to maintain that kind of strategy vs a guy like Rampage...he couldn't stick to his strategy against Machida and went to sleep, how do you think he's going to deal with someone that hits like a freight train with both hands?

A gassed Thiago Silva nearly put him to sleep, and before that he got KOed by a guy not even known for having power.

Long as Rampage stays aggressive he should win convincingly.

Shogun/Rampage 2 is coming!


EDIT: my reasoning for this is that quite frankly I'm not that impressed with Evans. It's got nothing to do with me being a Rampage fan, I just don't believe that Evans is as good as Rampage.

He has 3 split decision wins over B level fighters at best (Imes, Hoger, and Bisping)...yeah other than one of those guys the other two are completely irrelevant. He got worked by Tito which tells me his wrestling WILL NOT get Rampage to the ground, and Evans is a wrestler not a striker, and managed a draw..vs a past-prime Tito. He was losing to Liddell until that overhand right came through for him, he was losing to Griffin until he connected, he was embarassed by Machida, and barely survived against a gassed Thiago Silva.

The last time Rampage lost to a wrestler was when he fought a little asian man named Sakuraba. There's no way in hell Rashad has the BJJ/Judo/Catch Wrestling ability to sub rampage and to say he'll outstrike him is, in my opinion, just pointless.

Rampage is going to the same shit he's done to every other wrestler he's ever fought; He's going to bully and outmuscle him before the KO comes. Rashad's going to sleep, and probably down a weight class after this fight.

I give Evans a fair chance but Rampage is his worst possible match-up at 205. Only way I can see Rampage losing is if he shows up unmotivated and out of shape but with all the shit talking Evans has done I doubt it'll be a problem.
 
no gif sorry

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I give Evans a fair chance but Rampage is his worst possible match-up at 205. Only way I can see Rampage losing is if he shows up unmotivated and out of shape but with all the shit talking Evans has done I doubt it'll be a problem.

His worst match at 205 is Lawal imo.. Evans would just spend the entire fight on his ass and I doubt he could actually pull off a sub.

Rampage.. lets just do the dot points

- Durable fighter with a great chin.
- Powerful but average punching.
- Hasn't evolved his game whatsoever in years.
- Still can't check leg kicks.. so if Rashad is smart guess what he's training
- Good take down defense, but never uses his wrestling offensively.

I give Evans an advantage in the event of a decision, and Rampage.. well he could put him away but I don't see it given Jardine lasted 3 with him.


Evans doesn't impress me either, but I've never been massively impressed by Rampage either; I'll grant he was #1 for a while (basically from when Forrest beat Shogun to when Forrest beat Rampage), but more by default than anything, seeing as several guys got injured/crazily upset in the 2006-2007 period

- Arona and Rogerio got beat by Sokoudjou, confusing everyone.
- Shogun got injured and never really recovered.
- Wanderlei's career as a top guy got ended by Cro Cop.
- Couture retired.. then returned as a heavyweight.

I'll note at this point that Chuck was never #1 in my books.
 
Rampage hasn't had to use his wrestling in his past 5-6 fights as he's been the better striker vs all of the guys he's faced. (except for Griffin on that night)

The only guys he couldn't outstrike were the MT beasts

I wouldn't be surprised if he took Evans to the mat.
 
Rampage hasn't had to use his wrestling in his past 5-6 fights as he's been the better striker vs all of the guys he's faced. (except for Griffin on that night)

The only guys he couldn't outstrike were the MT beasts

I wouldn't be surprised if he took Evans to the mat.


I don't actually recall Rampage using his wrestling offensively (outside of slams) since the first Chuck fight.

I would be somewhat surprised to see Rampage actually shoot for a TD, he'll probably take a slam if it's on offer, but realistically Rampage's entire style is "punch, don't get taken down and slam if it's available".

He's lost in striking to anyone who has thrown leg kicks besides Jardine (who was winning that fight 29-28 until the last 30 seconds).
 
He used them in the Henderson fight, he has been going more and more towards that shitty boxing looking for the one punch knockout since after that fight. If the Rampage that showed up in that fight showed up he would be a danger to anyone at 205, Jardine certainly wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds.
 
I'm a Rampage fan, but I'll admit, Rampage has problems with leg kicks. He has always lost to fights that involves a lot of leg kicks, which I barely see Rampage trying to check any of them, if at all. As for Rashad, I also have my doubts about him. Honestly, after that Thiago Silva fight, I question Rashad's chin ALOT. I really don't see taking a punch from Rampage that well.
 
Supposedly Anderson will face Sonnen then Vitor and if he wins both, he moves up to 205.

I'm predicting an upset loss by Vitor!

As for Machida, the most interesting thing is to see how he will bounce back, some guys get way more motivated after a loss and really up the ante by quite a bit (ala GSP) while some guys get really terrible because they keep getting "scared" of getting KO'ed again. I really hope Machida ends up being in the first category!
 
Not bad for what, a 2 year absence or so from defending his title...now granted, I don't seem him getting past Fedor unless he's really beyond his prime, but it should make an interesting match...but then again, Overeem is also the guy in Pride who got owned by Shogun, Lil Nog, hell even Chuck KOed him way back...
 
What happened several years ago doesn't tell you how good somebody is today. That's like saying Anderson sucks because he got subbed a couple of times way back.

Don't even mention that Overeem used to cut from 230-240 from a 6'5'' frame..and now he weighs 260+...the man's a monster and Liddell couldn't hold a candle to him today or almost anybody else that's beaten him before.

He absolutely worked Rogers, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAkm2zv9w8A

Here's Arlovski vs Antonio Silva:
http://tkohub.com/antonio-silva-vs-andrei-arlovski-video-strikeforce/

Arlovski didn't seem himself and he was either a.) suffering from ring rust or b.) is way past his prime at this point.

I'm hoping for option a.

Overeem vs Fedor is going to be nerveracking to watch!
 
Also I wana take back what I said about Arlovski having a glass chin...I don't think anyone really has a glass chin it's just a retarded saying for people with T(KO) losses.
 
Not bad for what, a 2 year absence or so from defending his title...now granted, I don't seem him getting past Fedor unless he's really beyond his prime, but it should make an interesting match...but then again, Overeem is also the guy in Pride who got owned by Shogun, Lil Nog, hell even Chuck KOed him way back...


He's packed on about 20 pounds of solid mass since then and isn't dehydrating himself stupid with a weight cut he simply isn't meant for. His chin has also improved, probably because he isn't dehydrating all the fluid around his brain away to make 205 -- Overeem was always 220+ and lean as hell, that cut was just dumb; if a head kick from Badr Hari doesn't KO you, not much will.


mirza: Overeem has never come in over 255.

Also Arlovski looked tentative, didn't seem like he could pull the trigger.. same as when he fought Werdum.
 
Well, I can't find the gif but I was going to post Rogerio Nogueira punching Shogun in the face in 2005 (sidenote: Shogun has a fucking good chin, that shot should've put him out).

Like you said, that fight was 5 years ago. Granted Lil Nog is good, but Shogun has changed a lot since that fight, and especially in his striking defense. PRIDE Shogun and the Shogun that's fighting now are very, very different fighters. I just don't see the Nogueira fight going the same way this time.

Overeem vs Fedor is going to be nerveracking to watch!

If it happens. Fedor is fighting Werdum June 16th. If/when he breaks his hand, it's going to be a good 6/7 month layoff, in which time Overeem could be scheduled for another fight. Even if things DO work out time wise, you have Fedor's management who seem frightened to take the fight in the first place, since last time it was supposed to be set up, they demanded some ridiculous things, the big one being requesting special steroid testing for Overeem.
 
Also, I'm not sure if this is the correct place, but I've got some pictures from a BJJ tournament a I competed in a few weeks ago.

I competed at both 145 and 160 lbs, and took gold in both. Here are a few pictures I managed to nab from the photographers that were there:

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Finishing my opponent with a gogoplata in the 145 semifinals.

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Here's a back (worse) view of that same gogoplata.

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Gold at 145. The 3rd place medalist took off after he lost, I'm not quite sure where he went.

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Rolling for an armbar in the 160 semifinals, this is what set up my finisher:

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Triangle to advance to the 160 lb finals. This was my 7th match of the day.

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And gold at 160. I ended up going 8-0 in my divisions with 8 subs. After the regular tournament I competed in the absolute bracket, and beat the 170 lb champion, and ended up losing to the heavyweight champ (220 lb purple belt, I didn't really stand a chance). It was a really fun day, and good to get some actual competition in.
 
I had typed up a longass post but my interwebz died on me. Props to you Iggy, congratulations!

Who do you train under? Also if you don't mind I'm interested in what rules you guys competed under. No gi and I noticed at the 160 semis your opponent was wearing shoes, no?
 
I had typed up a longass post but my interwebz died on me. Props to you Iggy, congratulations!

Who do you train under? Also if you don't mind I'm interested in what rules you guys competed under. No gi and I noticed at the 160 semis your opponent was wearing shoes, no?

At the moment I'm officially "independant" as I don't have a true gym association, but my coach for the last 8 months is a blue belt under Helson Gracie, while the other is a Black Belt Judo practioner. They coached me through my MMA debut, as well as a couple of BJJ tournaments.

I'm not sure what specific ruleset you would call this tournament, but it was pretty generous with what was allowed. The scoring system was much different than anything I've competed in as well. You were allowed to wear wrestling shoes if you wanted to, and many did.

The ruleset was:

3-2-1 round system. 3 minute round of submission only, 2 minute second round where points are scored, and third round was sudden death (first points scored). Points were awarded as follows -

1 pt takedown
1 pt for advancing from "neutral" to "advantage"
1 pt for regaining "neutral" from "disadvantage"
2 pts for reversing "disadvantage" to "advantage"

Neutral positioning were both on feet, guard, half guard, basically where neither guy had an advantage. Advantage was side mount, mount, north south, back mount. Disadvantage was the inverse of that. The scoring was dynamic and worked out pretty well. The sudden death rounds heavily favored wrestlers, but luckily for me I never made it there (although I do have wrestling experience).

I'm hoping to compete in a couple of tournaments in Buffalo and Rochester NY this summer, and possibly take my second MMA fight over winter break after developing my skillset a bit more.
 
How'd your first MMA fight go? I might sign up for one in the next year depending on how busy my schedule is and how much time I'll have to train with college/work/women/drinking/friends taking up time..

I'm in no shape right now to be fighting anytime soon and I'm not happy with my grappling ability at the moment. I'm decent at wrestling, my throws and trips always catch people off guard, my TD defense is good, I can reverse and get into favorable positions on the ground, but I'm tentative to try many submissions. My defense is pretty decent all around and I don't tap unless I think something will break but I'm not happy with my offense on the ground BJJ-wise. :(

Ever since I quit boxing I fell in love with the low kick and I enjoy the striking aspect much more than grappling but I'm still hesitant to fight in an MMA match. I'm not all that confident in my ground game or overall conditioning, which isn't as a big concern, but still lol.

If I do start fighting I want to eventually fight at 205 but would most likely begin at 170..I'm only 5'10'' or so and wouldn't make for a large lhw but if size was everything guys like Tyson, Couture, Fedor, etcetc. wouldn't be remembered.

I guess what I'm asking for is your advice on when to and when not to take risks with JJ offensively....for example I had the mount against my friend who weighs well over 250, and I'm sitting at a lazy 190ish at the moment, and I grabbed his wrist and saw just how massive his arm was and was like .....fuuuck that..I seem to have problems going for subs because I don't think the risk is worth the reward.

As for those rules they're definitely liberal...were you allowed to stand up during the competitions or were you forced to stay on the ground once someone got the takedown? My BJJ trainer gets pissed whenever I used to stand up when trying to escape subs..I still do it time to time.
 
I won my first fight by decision at Featherweight. I fought in Pennsylvania, which was a good place to start since amateur rules are much more strict there. I fought three, 3 minute rounds, and there was no ground and pound to the head involved. I won using my ground game, and I should have finished via armbar twice in the fight, but I bailed on the submission early.

My striking was (is) very basic, but in the cage I basically abandoned all offense, except for one right hand I landed. I just used head movement to get inside and clinch. I'm currently training at a boxing gym this summer, so I hope to increase my confidence in my hands before I take my next fight, which will likely be in Ohio. I'm hoping to take baby steps, but implementing ground and pound and my revamped striking game should hopefully land me a second win.

As for the tournament, you were allowed to stand back up. Some pure BJJ guys there were complaining a lot, about how the rules were skewed towards wrestlers and stuff, but it's all grappling. There's no use in training the ground game if you don't know how to get it (or keep it) on the ground. And besides that fact, pulling guard didn't award any points in either direction. I actually went into every match the same way. I pulled guard as fast as I could and worked off my back. I'd much rather work on the ground then dance on my feet for 3 minutes, I did enough of that back in my wrestling days.

As for going for offense in BJJ, it takes time. I myself am no offensive wizard by any means, but I'm starting to learn how to set up submissions with submissions, if that makes sense. It's rarely my first move that gets the tap, it's the second or third move that my previous attacks set up. It honestly just takes time, and remember that once your submission awareness and defense gets better, you will naturally start improving your offense.

As for the situation you were in, I never attack wrists from mount. I actually dislike having the mount position, since you're pretty limited in what you can do. My (and my teachers) go to move though, is an armbar. I set it up exactly the same way I do on my back, only now you reversed since you're on top. I don't train at 10th Planet (hopefully someday though!) but this is exactly how I was taught to do it.

I know this post is really long, but your submission offense is going to be the last thing that you develop. Positional control, defense and awareness are all things that you need before your offense comes into play, but once they do, you will notice your offensive attempts starting to flow a bit more smoothly. If you notice yourself controlling someone well, and not in any immediate danger, consciously think about what pass you want to use to improve your position, or what submission attempts are available to you at that time. That's what is really helping me develop my offensive game at the moment.
 
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