OU The OU Viability Ranking thread

[Reymedy]

Haha "terribly shaky check".

I want you to name "good checks" in OU that aren't 2HKO'd by one of CB Terrakion move. Please, I insist, make me this pleasure (so we got Gliscor, Hippow, Lando-T or something like that).
Now, consider that Amoonguss can negate 3/5 of the damages he took by simply switching out to a resistance.

Call that "terribly shaky check" again and I'm gonna start doubting we have the same definition of a check.

For the "mixed set", it is not an "idea". It is something that I tried and it worked. For instance, my set takes around 60% from SE Terrakion CB, which is MORE than decent when you consider regenerator.
And it takes around 49% from Specs Toed, which again, is really decent considering Regenerator (hello, this is a physical wall, I want to know how many physically based pokemons can take 2 of those on average..).
Those two pokemons are LOCKED now. And I can switch to something that take advantage of this situation. Amoonguss is not a classic wall, it is some kind of momentum giver with great tools like Spore and Regenerator.

And saying that a physical wall can get wrecked by CB Terrakion, or a special wall destroyed by Specs Keldeo under Rain will get us nowhere, welcome to BW. Not even talking about the two max rolls in a row.

 

[GatoDelFuego]

Well, amoonguss is not really a great terrakion check, just because the only thing it resists is close combat and does not have titanic defenses. Still, this doesn't prove much, as that's not what amoonguss is around for. It's there to switch around, put the opponent to sleep, maybe throw out a giga drain, and switch into something else to regen it's health. Regenerator is arguably the bet form of recovery in the game because it doesn't take a free turn to activate as you switch to a counter. It's still not good enough to put amoonguss at the top but its enough for b rank

 

[Magcargo]

I'm not going anywhere.​

I'm actually a little surprised at why people want the fungus of fun to leave B-Rank. It has some very useful resistances such as Water,Electric,Fighting and Grass. That means things such as Scarfed Keldeo, TechniLoom, Scarfed Terrakion, Rotom-Wash, Starmie, Thundurus-Therian and Politoed are looking at a problem in the form of a moving mushroom.
Next thing to look at is its ability. GameFreak has honestly pulled a clutch here and has made BW's arguably best Ability ever. It's definitely up there with things Moxie and Magic Guard. *Cough Salamence and Alakazam*.
Being able to switch in and out with Regenerator is simply amazing as it heals up any stupid form of residual damage you may have received such as Burn and Entry Hazards.
Next. Let's observe Amoonguss as a Pokemon. With 114/70/80 Defenses it isn't too shabby for a Defensive Pokemon as that Massive HP Stat is enough to really carry it through. It may not be the next Blissey but hey, we're only lookin' for B-Rank.
Amoonguss is also part Poison. That is simply AMAZING on defensive Pokemon. Absorbs Toxic Spikes and f*cks off Toxic? Two birds with one stone buddy. With a nice resistance to Fighting as well? Things are looking pretty good.
Finally the big seller for this guy has to be Spore. He fits the perfect description for B-Rank when it says : "Support Pokemon in this category have flaws that prevent them from doing their job or are setup bait for dangerous sweepers". However, this mushroom has one last trick up its ... Pokeballs(?).
Spore honestly can shut down some scary ass set-up Pokemon such as Landorus and Gyarados. For them it's either throw out an Attack and be Spored, Set-up and be Spored or Run.
Amoonguss is very capable of running a specific defensive niche which is usually tanking and walling common Rain Teams, which is a useful one. Celebi is probably the better choice thanks to its better Typing, Better overall Bulk, Natural Cure, more offensive presence, instant recovery and U-Turn. However, Amoonguss does holds it advantages such as Regenerator, Spore and the ability to absorb Toxic Spikes.
And please don't bring up stupid comparisons such as "Choice Band Terrakion will demolish Amoonguss". B-Rank doesn't require Amoonguss to wall a majority of the metagame; just fill a niche instead.

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Wait. I'm not S-Rank? The audacity.​

Let's all scroll over to Salamence's Checks and Counters Section of his Analysis, just for a moment:
"If you're actually looking for a foolproof counter to Salamence, forget about it. There are none."
Now run over to the S-Rank Definition:
"Reserved for Pokemon who can sweep or wall significant portions of the metagame with little support, and Pokemon who can support other Pokemon with very little opportunity cost ("free turns"). Also the home of Pokemon who can easily perform multiple roles effectively, increasing their versatility and unpredictability. If the Pokemon in this rank have any flaws, those flaws are thoroughly mitigated by their substantial strengths. If there are suspects, they will come from this rank."
Honestly, to this day, Salamence holds the superior Dragon Dance set. Superior Speed and Power coupled with Moxie? What is that compared to Dragonite's Multiscale which will be broken down by pretty much anything ranging from switching into Stealth Rock, getting hit by any damage-inducing move, receiving Hail or Sand damage?
With a Dragon Dance Salamence is looking pretty scary. Sure he can be revenge-killed but honestly so can Landorus, Terrakion and Keldeo. So shut up about Ice-Shards and Choice Scarfed Terrakions.
Moxie only adds to his monstrosity and really can smash some top Physical walls of OU. If it gets one Dragon Dance and a Moxie boost or two Dragon Dances, LO Outrage is looking to 2HKO that Metal Bird. Honestly to be able to rip apart OU's top Physical wall like that, deserves some recognition. And also Salamence doesn't have to resort to brute strength.
This is where his versatility comes into play. Is it Choice Scarfed? Is it going to set-up on me? Or should I switch into Skarmory but only get it roasted by MixMence's Fire Blast? With his versatility in options and amazing offensive stats to boot, Salamence is truly impossible to counter completely as you never know what he will carry.
While outclassed, keep in mind that WishMence is still workable and can actually work pretty well as it holds some fantastic synergy with other Pokemon such as Specially Defensive Heatran who lacks Physical Bulk and reliable recovery.
His flaws? It mainly consists of the fact that he is Stealth Rock weak and his strongest move requires him to lock himself. But then again, Salamence is usually meant to come in, smash, get a Boost and possibly start a Snowball Effect. His substantial strengths really do outweigh his cons.
Salamence has the diversity, strength and viability to become an S-Rank Pokemon.

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Honestly I want to keep going but I'm really whoring up this thread. So I'm going to just leave two points that I also want to see some discussion on:

I mustache you a Question. Can I become A-Ranked?​

I've got instant recovery, Entry Hazard Utility, amazing Physical Bulk if not the best, great Typing. What am I missing for A-Rank?​

I agree with raising skarmory and alakazam to A-Rank, but not salamence to S-Rank. Salamence has an average base 100 speed, meaning that even after a speed boost, it can easily be revenge killed. After life orb recoil and 2 SR switch ins, CB scizor can revenge kill him most of the time. Dragonite has multiscale and while it can easily be broken, he can run many sets that salamence could only dream of running such as a substitute shuffler. Dragonite is also a better CB user because of extremespeed's priority. I'm not saying dragonite is better than salamence, since slamence has many advantages too, but rather that they are equal in competitive battling. Both have similar flaws, so they should be kept in the same rank.

 

[BurningMan]

Salamence DDset isn't that great it gets outspeed by the three most common scarfers (Terrakion, Latios and Keldeo) and is hit hard by every priority move barring Mach Punch and Aquajet. It got better coverage and more power compared to Dragonite, but Multi Scale can absolutly guarantee set-up if you can keep SR from the place wich makes it by far the superior late game cleaner where everything is already weakend and the power and coverage might not be needed and it can also get by a few revenge killers via Extreme Speed.

I haven't really seen MixMence lately, but thats because it is only really good against Stall Teams that are not very common except for rain stall wich can handle it better thanks to Fire Blast getting weakend and suffers similar problems than Hydreigon although to a lesser extent.

ChoiceScarf is a really great set since it is able to act as both a revenge killer and late game cleaner although i would usually advise running a second scarfer or at least priority to handle some threats he can't.

I agree with alot of what Tabuu said, but i don't think Salamence plays in the same league as Terrakion, Keldeo, Landorus and Politoed.

 

[ginganinja]

Salamence has the diversity, strength and viability to become an S-Rank Pokemon.

Nop I don't think so. Salamence is a good pokemon to be sure, it can run a large number of sets and be effective, however, it doesn't quite do as well in this metagame, as it did in DPP. For starters, Salamence has to contend with a rain dominated metagame, which can quite freely spam boosted water attacks. With SR being a common battle condition, as well as Mence often running a -SDef Nature (Otherwise it risks losing even more health to Scizor), it does not have an easy time at setting up. In addition, Salamence can and does get revenge killed easily. Don't ignore this argument please as we are playing a metagame where Scarf Latios, Latias, Thundurus-T Jirachi (speed Tie), Keldeo, Salamence (Speed tie), Garchomp and Terrakion are all, super, super common. All of the above pack the moves to defeat Salamence after a dragon dance which makes it exceptionally hard for Salamence to actually achieve a sweep. This is in contrast to (say) Dragonite which can get a DD on something it forces out, and then the opposing Scarfer has to break MultiScale to revenge it. Even ignoring Multi Scale, some scarfers have to stay at a certain threshold of health (ES), not the case with Salamence.

Yea, I get that its unpredictable and that MixMence can do a shitload of damage. So can Hydriegon. Unlike in DPP, DD doesn't push Salamence over the edge with the massive amount of ways it can be checked (Physical walls like Hippowdon and Landorus, Priority from Scizor and Mamoswine, and the massive amount of scarfers). Just because something has no counters does NOT mean its suspect material.

 

[False Sense]

Seconding Skarmory for A-Rank. It's obviously one of the best physical walls in the game, has access to the rare and valuable Spikes, has instant recovery, and can phaze. It's just such a fantastic shutdown to nearly all physical threats and sweepers and can be painful to take down. Not to mention, it can even run a specially defensive set quite well and STILL wall physical threats. Overall, an incredibly solid pokemon that can wall a large majority of physical attackers and do more on top of that. And it's not set up bait thanks to Whirlwind. Sounds like a textbook definition of A-Rank, I think.

 

[Halcyon.]

Seconding Skarmory for A-Rank. It's obviously one of the best physical walls in the game, has access to the rare and valuable Spikes, has instant recovery, and can phaze. It's just such a fantastic shutdown to nearly all physical threats and sweepers and can be painful to take down. Not to mention, it can even run a specially defensive set quite well and STILL wall physical threats. Overall, an incredibly solid pokemon that can wall a large majority of physical attackers and do more on top of that. And it's not set up bait thanks to Whirlwind. Sounds like a textbook definition of A-Rank, I think.

I totally agree. Skarmory seems to be forgotten in a fast-paced metagame like BW2, especially with things like Landorus-T running around. But Skarmory, now that Deoxys-D is gone, can be a very valuable member of your team, able to set up Spikes, Roost off damage, and even Whirlwind away setup sweepers and cause hazards damage. I think it's perfect for A rank.

 

[Lavos]

skarmory is definitely a-rank material, i'm actually surprised it's not there already. best physical wall in the game, though hippo definitely gives it a run for its money, but steel/flying is pretty great compared to mono ground plus skarm gets spikes so i think there's an advantage there even if hippo barely edges out skarm in terms of raw defensive stats. it was pretty impeccable in bw1, but then bw2 brought it some new threats to deal with and it basically plummeted in usage in the genesect and torn-t eras. but now it's back and just about as good as it's going to get in this generation. spikes are a real killer in a metagame where more than half of teams lack any means to remove them, and ground-types are still everywhere, which skarm handles really well. skarm's still good enough to handle lucario, terrakion, and all the other big physical threats, too. even breloom's gotta watch out, because skarm can wake up at any time and bb loom to death. really underrated pokemon right now. get it up there.

ferrothorn's definitely not s-rank, still too many ways to shut it down for my liking. terrakion's everywhere, spinners are everywhere, and the fact that the thing is just so susceptible to being set up on / burned and made useless makes me shy away from s-tier on this one. definition of a-rank, straight from the op, is "A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon who can sweep or wall significant portions of the metagame, but require some support or have some flaws that prevents them from doing this consistently." that's exactly what ferrothorn is. definitely walls significant portions of the metagame, but the flaws i just pointed out prevent it from doing a good job without some major synergy and outside support (scald absorber, spinblocker, fire/fighting resists). keep it a-rank, nothing significant has changed that would made ferro s-rank all of a sudden.

 

[False Sense]

I'm tempted to agree with Lavos Spawn about Ferrothorn. While it is undoubtably one of the best and premier walls of OU, it has it's flaws. One thing I've noticed from personal experience is that anything with Substitute can make Ferrothorn more of a liability. Often times it relies on Leech Seed or Thunder Wave to deter set up. If something like, say, Dragonite comes in and sets up a Sub, there's nothing Ferrothorn can really do to touch it outside of maybe Gyro Ball or Power Whip, but both of those attacks have relatively bad coverage and won't stop everything. Now don't get me wrong, Ferrothron is really good, but it's not too difficult to handle and probably not S-Rank material.

Also...

Tornadus-T is definitely A rank, not S. It depends so heavily on rain support that it is very hard for it to function by itself.

Somebody needs to keep up with the times....

 

[Halcyon.]

ferrothorn's definitely not s-rank, still too many ways to shut it down for my liking. terrakion's everywhere, spinners are everywhere, and the fact that the thing is just so susceptible to being set up on / burned and made useless makes me shy away from s-tier on this one. definition of a-rank, straight from the op, is "A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon who can sweep or wall significant portions of the metagame, but require some support or have some flaws that prevents them from doing this consistently." that's exactly what ferrothorn is. definitely walls significant portions of the metagame, but the flaws i just pointed out prevent it from doing a good job without some major synergy and outside support (scald absorber, spinblocker, fire/fighting resists). keep it a-rank, nothing significant has changed that would made ferro s-rank all of a sudden.

Absolutely. I think that Ferrothorn could potentially be S Rank if it weren't for the fact that everybody and their mother prepare for this thing out the wazoo. It has great defensive stats, for sure, but its predictability and horrendous speed (which does, admittedly, help it achieve its goal of hazards setting) make it too easy to set up on and/or kill before it gets its job done. That isn't to say that Ferrothorn isn't amazing, or that he isn't the best wall in OU, his flaws are just too great for him to be S rank, in my opinion.

 

[Deluks917]

I also think ferrothorn is S-rank. It has tremendous special and physical bulk. It can stall out an incredible number of things with Protect and Leech Seed. It sets up hazards. Its only big downside is a weakness to fighting but none of the common fighters can siwtch in. Between Leech seed and Power whip fero is hard to switch into for offense teams in general.

Ferrothorn just does absurd things. It easily lives non LO/CB terrakion Close combat. It takes amazingly little from scark keldeo secret sword. Ferrothorn actually stalls out specs magnexone hp fire with rain up if magnezone gets hit with LS on the switch in. I tihnk ferro is the main reason draco meteor spam is not a dominant strategy.

edit: Chomp seems signifgantly more suspect worthy to me then keldeo or Landorus (reflected in the fact keldeo was voted OU by a huge margin. As I imagine would Landorus). Though Chomp is fine in OU. Only pokemon really worth suspecting is Politoed imo.

 

[Eleman]

Ferrothorn should not be S-rank for sure. Two reasons 1. It's way too predictable 2. There are several bulky threats that can take Leech Seed and Gyro Ball to an extent and set up all over it. I do agree that Ferrothorn is really bulky and does wall a good amount of dragons, it should be noted that it almost always gets taken down by the common Fire Blast. And to Deluks917, no Ferrothorn does not take hits from Terrakion at all. Ferrothorn is incredibly bulky, however, that doesn't mean it can take hits all day. You should also know that Trick and Taunt will ruin Ferrothorn for the rest of the match if your opponent does that to you and once it can't use Leech Seed, pretty much anything can come in and set up in its face. Ferrothorn is really meant to set up hazards and wall the many choice locked dragons in this tier. I emphasize CHOICE LOCKED. Most sweepers have and answer to this thing and unless they are locked into a move, Ferrothorn won't be able to wall them.

 

[askjeevs]

Absolutely. I think that Ferrothorn could potentially be S Rank if it weren't for the fact that everybody and their mother prepare for this thing out the wazoo. It has great defensive stats, for sure, but its predictability and horrendous speed (which does, admittedly, help it achieve its goal of hazards setting) make it too easy to set up on and/or kill before it gets its job done. That isn't to say that Ferrothorn isn't amazing, or that he isn't the best wall in OU, his flaws are just too great for him to be S rank, in my opinion.

well really, Ferrothorn wouldn't be deserving if everyone wasn't preparing for it. Ferrothorn's has numerous defensive capabilities, and a very usable attack stat to go. I don't really consider Ferrothorn as set up bait as it runs a ridiculous amount of support moves (TWave, Leech Seed, Spikes to name a few) and can even run as a spin blocker while pairing it with a Rocky Helmet thanks to it's ability.

Ferrothorn deserves that S-Rank.

 

[SmashBrosBrawl]

S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon who can sweep or wall significant portions of the metagame with little support, and Pokemon who can support other Pokemon with very little opportunity cost ("free turns"). Also the home of Pokemon who can easily perform multiple roles effectively, increasing their versatility and unpredictability. If the Pokemon in this rank have any flaws, those flaws are thoroughly mitigated by their substantial strengths. If there are suspects, they will come from this rank.
Why inst Garchomp there? Even Skarmory, the only pokemon in OU that walls its stab, is 2hkoed by Fire Blast. It doesnt need much support to get those Swords Dances up and start killing stuff. It can easily run Yache or Haban berry to deal with revenge killers while still maintaining a strong offensive presence. Theres also the hard to pull off but devastating sub swords dance set. Heck it can even run sub swords dance salac to wreck any team that lack priority or the 3 scarfers that outspeed it after salac boost. Its also more than capable of using a bulky support set. Seriously this thing is too good.

 

[alexwolf]

Garchomp still isn't in S rank? Why? I have seen many people supporting this notion, and not many disagreeing, and i still wonder why Garchomp isn't in S rank. Excellent lead, excellent wallbreaker, excellent sweeper, and good revenge killer and cleaner! Really the only job that it doesn't do excellent is revenge killing, where it is just good.

 

[Wizarus]

Chomp isn't S material. Everything in S-Tier is suspect worthy, and Chomp is hardly worth a suspect without Sand Veil. Choice Chomp isn't doing it, Outrage and Earthquake are 2 of the worst STABs to be locked into(at least outside of late game). Sweeper Chomp is too slow without Salac Berry, and even then, it's too slow. Stealth Rocks is a good lead, but not gamebreaking at all. That's pretty much Garchomp really; a good pokemon but not gamebreaking. He's a high A-Tier.

 

[Lavos]

chomp really isn't s-rank material at all, and i've already gone over why, but i'll do it again. first, it's too slow for the fast paced bw2 ou metagame. yes, i realize base 102 speed isn't bad at all, but right now with half the pokemon on every team likely to be at or above base 108 speed, chomp's never going to be able to actually pull off a sweep. it's good, but not great in that regard. next, chomp's typing certainly is beneficial to it in some aspects of its functionality, but it does alone leave it extremely prone to revenge killers. with the two most common being latios and keldeo, chomper's dragon-and-ice type weaknesses really hold it back from doing any serious work. third, chomp's outclassed in a sweeper role as already mentioned, but it's also outclassed in a lead sash role by terrakion (taunt + sr > sr) and even aerodactyl, which can also learn fire blast and notably can't be outsped by lead terraks and taunted. finally, contrary to what's been said so far in this thread, GARCHOMP DOES HAVE CHECKS AND COUNTERS. some notable ones include skarmory (a little sdef investment and fblast doesn't mean a thing), bronzong, gliscor, landorus-t, and hippowdon. stop saying it's unstoppable because it's not...

chomper's one of my favorite pokemon in bw ou, but it's really not s-rank material

 

[Gary]

Wow Skarmory isn't A-Rank? That's crazy talk. Skarmory is one of, if not THE best physical wall in OU. It's typing is outstanding as it gives it a neutrality to fighting types and an immunity to Ground types, making it really hard to take down on the physical side. Truth is, unless your packing a Special Attacker or a powerful super effective physical move, then Skarmory is pretty much impossible to handle. It has everything that a wall would dream of having; A powerful STAB move that actually gives it some offensive presence, a reliable recovery move, a phazing move to prevent sweepers from setting up on you, and also the ability Sturdy, which always gives it a free turn to set up Stealth Rocks, Spikes, or to get off one more powerful Brave Bird. If Ferrothorn's in A-Rank, Skarmory should sure as hell be in with it.

Skarmory is easily A-Rank.

 

[BurningMan]

I don't think Skarmory is A-Rank it is a good phisical wall, but it is a shacky check to most fighting types and every Dragon thats not locked into Outrage got a way to deal with it. Skarmorys biggest problem is that all it can do to most threats is either WW them out or set up spikes wich is very valuable, but not A-Rank worthy.
it also has terrible SDef and while its great typing allows to still deal with some weak SDef attackers everything with a strong neutral stab can still easily 2HKO it. Skarmory is a really great pokemon but it just can't handle the brute power of a lot of BWs threats it is a great spiker since it can come in on almost every defensive Pokemon and set-up spikes and it's a great PHazer since it got a great typing and defensive stats to almost always be able to take a hit and phaze a sweeper out, but it is also way to easy to take advantage of to be A-Rank worthy.

IMO it is a top B-Rank pokemon, but nothing more.

 

[False Sense]

Keep in mind though that Skarmory has two things Ferrothorn wishes it could have; access to instant recovery and the ability to phaze. These two qualities drastically increase Skarmory's capabilities as a wall, since the former allows it to stall out threats while the latter prevents set up and sweeps. In fact, if Sturdy is intact Skarmory is capable of stopping any sweep thanks to Whirlwind. Skarmory is really the bane of set up sweepers, mostly physical ones, pretty much because it has that great phazing ability. I still strongly support Skarmory for A-Rank; it has a lot going for it, and a fair few things over Ferrothorn.

 

[SmashBrosBrawl]

chomp really isn't s-rank material at all, and i've already gone over why, but i'll do it again. first, it's too slow for the fast paced bw2 ou metagame. yes, i realize base 102 speed isn't bad at all, but right now with half the pokemon on every team likely to be at or above base 108 speed, chomp's never going to be able to actually pull off a sweep. it's good, but not great in that regard. next, chomp's typing certainly is beneficial to it in some aspects of its functionality, but it does alone leave it extremely prone to revenge killers. with the two most common being latios and keldeo, chomper's dragon-and-ice type weaknesses really hold it back from doing any serious work. third, chomp's outclassed in a sweeper role as already mentioned, but it's also outclassed in a lead sash role by terrakion (taunt + sr > sr) and even aerodactyl, which can also learn fire blast and notably can't be outsped by lead terraks and taunted. finally, contrary to what's been said so far in this thread, GARCHOMP DOES HAVE CHECKS AND COUNTERS. some notable ones include skarmory (a little sdef investment and fblast doesn't mean a thing), bronzong, gliscor, landorus-t, and hippowdon. stop saying it's unstoppable because it's not...

chomper's one of my favorite pokemon in bw ou, but it's really not s-rank material

4- SpA Life Orb Garchomp Fire Blast vs. 224 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 153-182 (46.78 - 55.65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
And thats SP DEF set. Imagine how much damage the physically def (which is infinetely better) takes. No, Skarmory is a horrible check. It deals with Choiced sets fine, but SD set crushes it. Also what do you mean its not going to sweep? It has ONE pokemon capable of wall it in the entire tier. The rest is simply crushed:
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 328-386 (78.09 - 91.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Gliscor: 331-390 (93.5 - 110.16%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Outrage vs. 200 HP / 244 Def Landorus-T: 325-383 (88.07 - 103.79%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
And those are all of the best physical walls in the tier. None of them can deal with a boosted hit. So yeah i would call that unstoppable. Once faster stuff are down nothing will stop it from sweeping teams.

 

[Halcyon.]

Ice Shard easily stops Garchomp.
If Garchomp runs Yache Berry it loses a lot of important KO's and, even worse, Cloyster sets up on it.

I mean, not really. First of all, I think YacheChomp is his best set, as it allows him to set up Swords Dance and then KO something that would normally switch in thinking it would KO. This includes Starmie, Keldeo, Mamoswine, Scarf Thundurus-T, and Scarf Politoed. As for Cloyster setting up on it, if you switch in as Garchomp Swords Dances then he can OHKO you after Stealth Rock (and sometimes without Stealth Rock).

+2 252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 234-276 (97.09 - 114.52%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO (guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock)

 

[Lavos]

ok is lo chomp or yache chomp or haban chomp the set we're talking about here? it's deo-d all over again. yes, a particular wall can be overcome by a particular set. that's not a reason to make garchomp s-rank. hell, gliscor's a solid check to breloom unless loom's got hp ice, should we therefore make loom s-rank? chomp can't run rocks, sd, eq, dclaw, outrage, fblast, and aqua tail all at once. decide on a set, and i'll tell you what beats it.

 

[Hemp Man]

Ice Shard easily stops Garchomp.
If Garchomp runs Yache Berry it loses a lot of important KO's and, even worse, Cloyster sets up on it.

Well Terrakion is S-Rank and he's weak to Bullet Punch and Mach Punch.

 

[Magcargo]

Imo Garchomp deserves to be S-rank for several reasons. Unlike other hard hitting Dragons, such as latios and kyurem-b, Garchomp gets great coverage with only a few moves. Fire blast is a neat tool for garchomp since its three best counters, bronzong, skarmory and ferrothorn, are weak to it. In fact, bronzong of them is OHKO'd by fire blast in the sun after SR and a bit of prior damage.! While base 102 speed isn't what it used to be, it still is in a pretty good speed tier, as being able to outspeed thundorus-t is very important. Lets look at the definition of S-Rank.

S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon who can sweep or wall significant portions of the metagame with little support, and Pokemon who can support other Pokemon with very little opportunity cost ("free turns"). Also the home of Pokemon who can easily perform multiple roles effectively, increasing their versatility and unpredictability. If the Pokemon in this rank have any flaws, those flaws are thoroughly mitigated by their substantial strengths. If there are suspects, they will come from this rank.

Garchomp fits this description. It is very vesatile, as it can run an effective swords dnce set, mixed attacking set and even a bulky set. While it does have its flaws, garchomp's power, versitality and ability to destroy the metagame.

Ice Shard easily stops Garchomp.
If Garchomp runs Yache Berry it loses a lot of important KO's and, even worse, Cloyster sets up on it.

Landorus is weak to ice shard and he is S-Rank.