Nah. Officers and military families, sure, but a lot of the low-level enlistees are just poor people who either got suckered by recruiters or see it as a means of improving their prospects. If you go back to Vietnam and earlier, a lot of the dead and traumatized were simply not privileged enough to dodge the draft. It's more productive to attack the systems of military and industry behind veterans than it is to attack the vets themselves, at any rate.
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Disrespecting dead veterans is pathetic no matter who is doing it. You can attack the system legitimately without spitting on graves
I thought we were past "when they go low we go high" nonsense. MTG attacked her first.
I think that the draft is a horrible practice. I cant believe that there are people who look down upon draft dodgers. Not wanting to risk your life for the sake of killing people for a cause you might not even support is pretty natural.
Anyways, what Im saying is is that Senator Armstrong was righ-
Anyways, what Im saying is is that Senator Armstrong was righ-
The older I get, the closer to pacifism I get. Too many of my friends who were in the British army have full on PTSD and life long trauma from their postings abroad.
If we want a better world, we have to smash the global arms trade. It’s the only way.
If we want a better world, we have to smash the global arms trade. It’s the only way.
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Anyway, what are everybody thoughts on Kamala's promise to appoint a Republican to her cabinet if she wins?
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Would you extend this same sympathy to the dead Wehrmacht soldiers or is this different somehow? Excuse me for not having much sympathy for the people who were killed in self defence by people fighting against a genocidal empire.
I hate it. Stupid as hell unnecessary pandering. I hope she is lying and doesn’t appoint any. Republicans would never appoint a Democrat to the cabinet. There is no benefit. Opposition will politically stab you in the back any chance they get.
There are a few Republican politicians that are “okay” in the sense that they aren’t fascists. Doesn’t mean they should be given an opportunity to fuck up the Democratic agenda. This reeks of slimy DC Democratic political consultants at work.
Do you really think that nazi fucking germany is going to let someone opt out of the draft because they are opposed to genocide? Im sure hitler will just let them leave the army because they dont support anything hes doing instead of just fucking shooting them. he seems like the kind of person who wouldnt kill someone he disagrees with.
A soldier using the excuse of "well its war, i can do what i want" is one thing, but you cant say that someone who was thrown into an army involuntarily and who would be killed if they didnt follow orders is an enthusiastic part of the kill everyone campain. not everyone has a choice on what side they fight for. if you are reffering specifically to WILLING participents, then that is one thing, but in this context, it apears that either you mean all soldiers that fight for a cause endorse it, and should be held acountable for the orders given to them, or you drastically misread the situation.
Everyone, maybe take a step back and chill.
Warfare and soldiers go hand in hand with politics, but rarely do soldiers question the orders.
I can’t in all good conscience discuss the IDF or Israel without pointing out that it’s actually more of a military with a country-ish attached rather than the other way around.
My advice is go read up on a number of the main historical sources on Nazi Germany to get a true insight into how propaganda becomes believed, becomes creed, how dissent is properly silenced, and how suddenly things that weren’t acceptable in society become accepted.
Once you understand Nazi Germany’s formation and rise, then you understand why things are ramping up, and out of hand, in Israel and Palestine. The similarities to 1930s and 1940s Germany are crazy scary, particularly the political changes to the judiciary, use of emergency powers in “wartime”, mass displacement of populations to “root out terrorists”.
Even a bit of serious research uncovers a litany of parallels. Never again unfortunately wasn’t true.
Warfare and soldiers go hand in hand with politics, but rarely do soldiers question the orders.
I can’t in all good conscience discuss the IDF or Israel without pointing out that it’s actually more of a military with a country-ish attached rather than the other way around.
My advice is go read up on a number of the main historical sources on Nazi Germany to get a true insight into how propaganda becomes believed, becomes creed, how dissent is properly silenced, and how suddenly things that weren’t acceptable in society become accepted.
Once you understand Nazi Germany’s formation and rise, then you understand why things are ramping up, and out of hand, in Israel and Palestine. The similarities to 1930s and 1940s Germany are crazy scary, particularly the political changes to the judiciary, use of emergency powers in “wartime”, mass displacement of populations to “root out terrorists”.
Even a bit of serious research uncovers a litany of parallels. Never again unfortunately wasn’t true.
On the topic of warfare and America, can we all agree that Kamala saying "lethal" in the context of the American military was cringe?
I see a lot of hardline Dems on social media say "that's the point of the military!!!" but a major part of the reason people support spending kazillions on the military is for "defense".
It just gives me bad vibes IMO, like yeah obviously the military kills people but using that word to describe it still feels a bit unhinged
I see a lot of hardline Dems on social media say "that's the point of the military!!!" but a major part of the reason people support spending kazillions on the military is for "defense".
It just gives me bad vibes IMO, like yeah obviously the military kills people but using that word to describe it still feels a bit unhinged
she said the quiet part out loud
Morão (alexandre de moraes, STF minister) declared that due to Elon musk removing all of X's brazilian staff and closing down office and legal representative and not replying to earlier judicial orders, X must have a brazilian representative appointed in 24h or else it'll be going off-air in Brazil. Of course, legal disputes like these aren't being broadcasted to us beyond the threat from STF posted on twitter (im calling the site twitter and the company X), so it's unclear if there are discussions, if anything is being resolved, if Elon stuck his head in the dirt etc.
We will be seeing the result of this in around 10 ish minutes, whether twitter will go off-air or not, and also for how long it'll really stay down or if it'll be a permanent cut. Morão also mentioned prohibiting VPN usage to bypass bans like these (back when he wanted to ban telegram) but since that ban never happened, we don't have an idea if that'd be in any way effective or not.
My take is that while twitter may go down, I find it hard to believe it'll be off-air for long. I'll give a day or two, really.
We will be seeing the result of this in around 10 ish minutes, whether twitter will go off-air or not, and also for how long it'll really stay down or if it'll be a permanent cut. Morão also mentioned prohibiting VPN usage to bypass bans like these (back when he wanted to ban telegram) but since that ban never happened, we don't have an idea if that'd be in any way effective or not.
My take is that while twitter may go down, I find it hard to believe it'll be off-air for long. I'll give a day or two, really.
I'm like 90% sure this post is a troll but I dunno, Poe's law and all. In the off-hand chance it isn't, friendly reminder that RFK is only an independent in the sense that the worms ate the part of his brain that would enable him to have a coherent political philosophy in the first place. In practice, he's a Republican plant who was supposed to pull voters away from the Democrats, hence how his incomprehensible screed usually includes a generous helping of both leftist and centrist libertarian buzzwords in an attempt to appeal to tentative Democrat voters in those blocs who aren't overall satisfied with the Democratic party. Unfortunately for him, he's also a babbling fucking idiot who only manages to appeal to other babbling idiots and never had any serious support base within the Democratic party.
The "Independents" also aren't a cohesive political party. I'm an independent; the Democrat party is way too far to the right for me, they're just a bit closer than the Republicans. An ancap probably also considers themselves an independent despite leaning more towards the Republicans. We would likely agree on basically nothing beyond abstract concepts of freedom.
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it's common to have a member or two of the other party in the cabinet. This is most often in a defense/intelligence position or veteran's affairs position, if you're a Democratic president. Harris could absolutely have a Kinzinger type in mind. She certainly doesn't mean anyone who's MAGA lol. Trump didn't really continue this trend and technically speaking neither has Biden in his cabinet, but there was a good string of this between Carter and Obama and if you dig into it further Kennedy, Nixon, Eisenhower, etc. all did too.
Biden currently has Jerome Powell as head of the Fed, renominated from Trump (not technically cabinet but close enough).
Obama had Mueller and Comey in intelligence, as well as actual cabinet secretaries Bob Gates and Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense, Bob MacDonald at the VA, and Ray LaHood at Transportation (not all at the same time).
Clinton had Alan Greenspan at the Fed and Louis Freeh at the FBI, as well as actual cabinet member William Cohen as Secretary of Defense.
Carter had William Webster at the FBI and James Schlessinger as the first Secretary of Energy (previously in Nixon's cabinet at Defense)
Bush Jr had Norman Mineta at Transportation, previously in Clinton's cabinet for a brief stint as Secretary of Commerce
Bush Sr had Lauro Cavazos at Education
Reagan had Robert Volcker at the Fed (renominated from Carter)
So definitely more common for Ds, especially Obama, but traditionally Rs have done it too. If you count the Fed, Reagan and Biden both would count too. Pre-Trump, you have to go back to Gerald Ford, and before that to Woodrow Wilson to find presidents whose administrations did not have a significant position filled by a member of the opposing party.
I figured it was common for democrats to appoint republicans as cabinet members but I question why she would announce at an interview she intends to do that because democrat leaning voters would hate it specially after Trump and republican leaning and independent voters won't care. I doubt any future republican president will soon appoint a democrat to fill anything in their administration but this announcement makes sense to her pivot to the center and renouncing previously held positions like support for medicare for all, banning fraking and not building the border wall.
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Actually Democrat-leaning voters (most of whom are independents at this stage) love this kind of thing. Those voters tend to be extremely low information (high-information voters tend to have their minds made up by now), and also tend to like the idea of unity / the parties getting along. Making a meaningless gesture of good faith (such as nominating a random R to some cabinet position with little to no real power) to win some of those voters over is clearly smart political strategy.
We all remember Comey screwing over Hillary Clinton when he got the chance. Thanks for the rundown. Common it might be. In my opinion it is still pointless and stupid. Those positions can and should be filled by Democrats. On the other side, Trump is promising to fire all of civil service and make the executive branch 100% MAGA.
Regarding electoral politics, the DC consultants certainly put her up to this. Appointing a Republican won’t move voters more than not doing it will. Negative partisanship is stronger than some fake unity gesture.
Update: X has failed to provide a legal representative in brazil, and twitter is going to go down in the following days. Fees of 8k usd (50k brl) will be sent to those who use a vpn to access it, though this might be a intimidation tactic and focused on large companies than your average joe (especially if you use a good vpn. stop using norton)
If you absolutely must look at Twitter for some reason, there's always one of the few remaining Nitter instances.
I do because i work there (freelancer artist) :(
Please please please let us return to the world where Tumblr can be king for commissions and it isn't due to Tumblr being good but rather more and more companies being done with Elon's bullshit and pulling the plug. It would be so funny.
I hate Elon Musk but this will probably end badly for Moraes, there is no way twitter will be down for long.
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