You managed to miss my point entirely. IF we take YOUR position that the us starts these pointless wars, I've given you examples of Russia and China doing the exact same.
Notice how I said 0 things about your country except that it accepts aid from Russia and China. The news you hear about these countries will be spun.
You can see an African viewpoint of this here:
https://www.panafricanalliance.com/china-africa-colonialism/
You just back it up by mentioning conflicts that have had their time already and as far as I know Russia and China haven't created, participated or even instigated conflicts lately. That has been the work of the US for a while now. The arrogance and ignorance doesn't allow the US to see that we are not in time for senseless wars, there are many other problems to attend. Meanwhile they just decide to go for a commercial war against China, increase sanctions to Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and even get to finance terrorist groups in the case of Syria just because they want to do so.
Your country is sponsored by China and Russia. Naturally your views are influenced by this. Recognize your own propaganda.
What's the point saying that my country gets aid from Russia and China? Is there a problem with that? There's something called international commerce, which is something the US economic sanctions can't stop for Venezuela just because they say so. There's a lot of people in here who doesn't want to be affected by the sanctions, that's why Russia and China are the ones providing us with Medicines, Food and so on. The US doesn't do anything here besides applying economic sanctions in which thousands of people get affected everyday no matter what their social class is. That's why we take the US as a joke when they ever talk about human rights, if they truly care about us then at least get rid of the sanctions, it's as easy as that. You even come to the point of arrogance where you just said that my views are influenced because of Russia and China's help and take it as "propaganda", that's truly sad considering that I am a Venezuelan who still lives in the country and knows what's going on. At least, show a little of respect for the people and famillies who live here and have been hurt just because the US wants to invade us or just don't get into the topic, you seem to not be informed not only in this matter but in many others.
I won't get into the Pan-Africanism movement thing. There are several african people who don't think the same, I'd rather talk to those who have got a job from a China company, who have education, who have something to eat and whose life has drastically change because of China's help for development in the continent. That's something the western countries haven't done yet and didn't even get to make when Africa was colonized by them. They just don't want Africa to gain influence thanks to these countries who are in fact helping them to improve their economic situation, period.
Here's one evidence about the US behind the Hong Kong protest. I will not get into the protests topic anymore because it's evident the influence that the US has on them. I just wanted to share my point of view as many of you did, which is the purpose of this thread. Hope you guys take a good read to it as I did. I'll also quote McCain from the CRG article:
“A year ago, Ben-Ali and Gaddafi were not in power. Assad won’t be in power this time next year. This Arab Spring is a virus that will attack Moscow and Beijing.”
I'll end my post by recapitulating what I said before. Many of the people who protest have weapons, which don't mind using against those who disagree with what they're doing, they're nothing but vandals and should be treated as such. It's ok if they disagree with the central and region government, it's ok for them to protest, but what's not right is to hold violent protests that don't lead anywhere and whose only purpose is to vandalize and kill people
in order to justify Hong Kong's independence.
I'm going to cut to the chase of what you're trying to say in this thread and ignore the off-topic stuff - I disagree with your opinion that this US is responsible for the situation in Hong Kong because I haven't seen any evidence detailing so. You seem very sure of yourself so could you please help me out and post some sources so I can become better informed on the topic. It may be really obvious to you but I'm really stupid so if you can explain it to me I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Could you also start a new thread to discuss Venezuela? I'm very interested in hearing your perspective (eg what's it like to live in venezuela, how things are doing now, and so on) on that topic because you seem to have first hand experience so I'd love to hear more.
Looking forward to having you teach me!!!
Hi. It surprises me that there's people interested on the situation in Venezuela, it's not an easy topic to be discussing because it's very complex. I could make a thread for that in the future but I don't think that's the best option here so I'll see if I can post something in this thread once I get the time to do so.
"No u" is not a response. Claims require sources. I'll give you an example of evidence:
Not sure if you're from the US but I've seen worse things happening in there. I get the whole point of the video since it's just propaganda to intesify Hong Kong's protests. I'll leave something from the CRG, which is an article I mentioned above.
The very concept of the United States “promoting democracy” is scandalous when considering it is embroiled in an invasive global surveillance scandal, guilty of persecuting one unpopular war after another around the planet against the will of its own people and based on verified lies, and brutalizing and abusing its own citizens at home with militarized police cracking down on civilians in towns like Ferguson, Missouri – making China’s police actions against “Occupy Central” protesters pale in comparison. “Promoting democracy” is clearly cover for simply expanding its hegemonic agenda far beyond its borders and at the expense of national sovereignty for all subjected to it, including Americans themselves.
Had to mark important words in red so you can actually read and understand, thank me later. You guys can also check an article about our so called interim president
Juan Guaido and there's also Joshua Wong, someone whose intentions are good enough to be considered one of the selfie-generations as is this Juan Guaido guy here in Venezuela. Wouldn't even surprise me if someone gets to back these two guys so let's pretend both of them undoubtedly are pro democracy leaders!
(lol)