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Come on Taylor, how can you say that Fletcher, Scholes, O'Shea and Giggs aren't good enough to play for Utd. I mean, first of all Giggs was player of the year and was excellent in CM/in the hole whenever he played. I wouldn't even say Giggs was past his best, though he was one beast of a winger in his heydays and had everything he was often injured (hamstrings) and inconsistent at times whereas the Giggs we saw last season was one of the best 3 players on the pitch in almost all the games he played.Fletcher started more games than anyone in CM, his goals carried us early season and utterly ripped apart Chelsea when partnered with Giggs so obviously either must be doing something right.

O'Shea shouldn't start when everyone is fit but without him we'd have been fucked in so many seasons, 02/03 when he performed at left back and we won the league, 05/06 his partnership with Giggs in CM saved us from complete embarrassment when Fletcher was shite, Keane left and Scholes was injured and this season he had probably his best season since 02/03 playing regularly just at RB.

Scholes is the only one to have had a poor season, but at his age really he needs a string of games to get going, which he wasn't going to get with so much competition. He still has more than enough quality to play for us.

I'd be satisfied if Owen, Rooney and Berbatov scored 10 each with random goals from the rest of the team.

Each man to his own, but I wouldn't be satisfied with relegation. I'd expect Rooney and Berbatov to get 20 each minimum, considering that Berbatov scored 23 in both seasons at the inferior Spurs and that Rooney has no reason not to improve his tally (20) from last season. Owen should net around 15, heck he even scored 13 for Newcastle -- fucking Newcastle.

The Park needs game time comment is amusing and understandable...I rarely notice he's there.

Because often he does jobs that no-one notices, like tracking a winger that Rafael abandoned to attack up the pitch, or just balancing our midfield in general and creating space for others through intelligent movement. I fully expect Valencia and Nani to be first choice wingers, for two reasons: first is that Valencia is good at tracking back and Wes Brown is better at defending than Rafael so Park isn't needed defensively and the second is that we need more goals from midfield and that Nani is the only person I'd bet on making it into double figures.
 
He plays regulary but goes missing in games because he's chasing the ball around endlessly.



Yeah, I agree. Though I'm still a fan of his and he plays well for his country as well. However, things I remember about Park in the CL final...him flipping over valdez. End of list.
 
Come on Taylor, how can you say that Fletcher, Scholes, O'Shea and Giggs aren't good enough to play for Utd. I mean, first of all Giggs was player of the year and was excellent in CM/in the hole whenever he played. I wouldn't even say Giggs was past his best, though he was one beast of a winger in his heydays and had everything he was often injured (hamstrings) and inconsistent at times whereas the Giggs we saw last season was one of the best 3 players on the pitch in almost all the games he played.Fletcher started more games than anyone in CM, his goals carried us early season and utterly ripped apart Chelsea when partnered with Giggs so obviously either must be doing something right.

You must be blindfolded when you've watched United last season then. I find it a disgrace that someone can call Giggs one of the best 3 players in every game each time he plays and make it sound remotely possible that he actually deserved the WPOTY -- he was more often than not one of the worst players on the pitch and did not deserve to win the award.

Giggs gives the ball away so damn much -- whether it be his shoddy passing or dispossed through taking too long on the ball. It's crystal clear that he won the award on merit and sentimental value because he didn't even deserve to be in the top 10 players of last year. He had never won that award and because he scores what, two goals and starts only (estimate) 15 EPL games he's all of a sudden POTY? Statistically he is surpassed by a load of players and performence wise, he was below average. He's not a central midfield player and he merely holds back on the younger generation's development.

It may sound harsh, but it's blatently the truth and you can ask any United fan who is not licking Giggs' ass.

Fletcher? He's Fergie's pasty-faced, love child and has never impressed me until the Arsenal tie in the CL. He either passes sideways to Carrick or back to the defence -- and this is very regular. Anderson is leaps and bounds ahead of him in every potential aspect.

Chelsea didn't show up to that game and the whole United team played relatively well from what I can remember -- that's how bad Chelsea were.

O'Shea shouldn't start when everyone is fit but without him we'd have been fucked in so many seasons, 02/03 when he performed at left back and we won the league, 05/06 his partnership with Giggs in CM saved us from complete embarrassment when Fletcher was shite, Keane left and Scholes was injured and this season he had probably his best season since 02/03 playing regularly just at RB.

Still not good enough for United.

Scholes is the only one to have had a poor season, but at his age really he needs a string of games to get going, which he wasn't going to get with so much competition.

I still rate Scholes higher than Giggs, but both had dull seasons.


They may have had respectable seasons in your eyes but that's because the team, on a whole, performed badly. We played some of the worst football we had in years -- it was so negative and defensive. At the end of the day, having a decent season and being good enough for a top club is different.
 
I had edited this into my previous post:

I'm hearing things about MU attempting to sign Sergio Aguero...maybe to replace Tevez leaving? Granted they have Owen...plus I heard Sir Alex say he wasn't going to buy any more players. I guess it is probably just a rumor but that's irrelevant to this post! I'm more interested hearing what people have to say about MU adding more players. Personally, I think they'll be alright depth-wise...even if Owen gets injured but having a player like Sergio on the bench is only bad for Sergio in the long run. As a club if they could acquire him then it would be a good idea for them to do so.
 
You seem to have some sort of vendetta against some of those guys lol, and it's not I'm alone in my opinion, football writers and even the coaching staff have said some of the same things.

Giggs may give the ball away a lot, but every player that dribbles with the ball does, and in all competitions he got 18 assists last season. Maybe beating Gerrard and Vidic to the award was sentiment but at the very least he deserved to be nominated. I can't remember any fan/journalist/coach saying he had a bad season.

Fletcher has been giving in huge performances when it counts for the last two seasons. Carrick and Fletcher is statistically our best CM partnership. He made many more starts than Anderson too over the season as well.

having a decent season and being good enough for a top club is different.

That applies to Scholes
 
You seem to have some sort of vendetta against some of those guys lol, and it's not I'm alone in my opinion, football writers and even the coaching staff have said some of the same things.

Did you happen to read a mass overload of reports explaning their disgust for the award if it is rewarded to players like Giggs when there were more deserving candidates. Giggs has not played particulary well at all this season -- it's so obvious. Just watch him on the ball and you'll see. Also, you aren't necessarily supposed to dribble in the centre of midfield, so that is a fairly useless asset to have.

Fletcher has been giving in huge performances when it counts for the last two seasons. Carrick and Fletcher is statistically our best CM partnership. He made many more starts than Anderson too over the season as well.

Last two seasons? What...? Fletcher hardly made any appearences when Hargreaves, Anderson, Scholes and Carrick were present. Tat's why he considered leaving last year. I have no idea where you got the first year from.
 
The fact that dribbling is rare in centre midfield actually makes it a good asset, if you look at the likes of Lampard, Fabregas, Gerrard etc how many of them would like someone running at them and making them track you. That's one of the reasons why Anderson is effective. Interpreting football is mainly opinion but you can't really argue with the number of assists he got, almost one every other game.

Fletcher has always been regarded as a big game player - he was injured a bit the previous season but still when it came to big games he was often in the side. I wasn't saying he played many games during 07/08 but when he played it was often an important game and he gave a suitable performance.
 
The fact that dribbling is rare in centre midfield actually makes it a good asset, if you look at the likes of Lampard, Fabregas, Gerrard etc how many of them would like someone running at them and making them track you. That's one of the reasons why Anderson is effective. Interpreting football is mainly opinion but you can't really argue with the number of assists he got, almost one every other game.

Fletcher has always been regarded as a big game player - he was injured a bit the previous season but still when it came to big games he was often in the side. I wasn't saying he played many games during 07/08 but when he played it was often an important game and he gave a suitable performance.

Why don't you give me an example of when he played well in a 07/08 fixture?

But Giggs is dispossessed in the centre of midfield because he tries to dribble with the ball. He hasn't got the pace to successfuly dribble around a player -- technique is relatively useless when you don't possess the other attributes to make the skill work. Fabregas would laugh at Giggs' attempt to dribble round him.

Anderson is 21-years-old and is currently a better player than Giggs, and there's more to come.
 
Why don't you give me an example of when he played well in a 07/08 fixture?

But Giggs is dispossessed in the centre of midfield because he tries to dribble with the ball. He hasn't got the pace to successfuly dribble around a player -- technique is relatively useless when you don't possess the other attributes to make the skill work. Fabregas would laugh at Giggs' attempt to dribble round him.

Anderson is 21-years-old and is currently a better player than Giggs, and there's more to come.

vs Arsenal in the FA Cup - two goals and dominated what was their first choice central midfield of Fabregas and Gilberto.

Quick YouTube search shows up this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulKz-Bh6U1o which was last week where Giggs quite easily beats 4/5 players (albeit crap ones). He's lost some pace but he's still quite comfortably faster than Fabregas, he's got great close control so he doesn't really need extreme pace in CM unlike on the wing where full backs are obviously better defenders.
 
vs Arsenal in the FA Cup - two goals and dominated what was their first choice central midfield of Fabregas and Gilberto.

Quick YouTube search shows up this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulKz-Bh6U1o which was last week where Giggs quite easily beats 4/5 players (albeit crap ones). He's lost some pace but he's still quite comfortably faster than Fabregas, he's got great close control so he doesn't really need extreme pace in CM unlike on the wing where full backs are obviously better defenders.

I remember Nani recieved MOTM for that fixture against Arsenal (the irony).

Giggs looks like Messi against that level of opposition. Come back and show me a clip when he (lol) dribbles passed Xavi and Iniesta of Barcelona in a high profile match.
 
Not sure if any of you watch Real Madrid and Barcelona playing their games in North America. There was some interesting stuff. Lots of goals by real madrid...kaka and ronaldo don't see to quite fit yet. Alonso is doing alright though however the player new who has meshed the best is Granero though I believe he is form Real's academy.
 
wtf was up with that cramping us player flailing when a few mexican players were trying to help him up? were the mexican players taunting him or something? or was the us player just a giant ass hole?
 
No he cramped up, and when the Mexico players were grabbing him by the back of his neck forcing him up he started shoving them of of him.
 
yeah, see maybe i saw it happen wrong, because it looked to me like they were offering their hands to help him up or something.
 
You're right Venom. It has something to do with the altitude. Though donavan said something like "we would beat mexico in the us", it wouldn't be true. Mexico is a way better team than US atm
 
Opening day of Premier League started. Incredibly surprised at Villa losing to Wigan, and a shame Hull couldn't hold onto that draw with Chelsea. Man City's good start is a bit annoying but not too surprising. Still, at least Arsenal are thrashing Everton 3-0 and its only half time.
 
I can't believe Everton got hammered so badly, 1-6 at Home to Arsenal.

Aston Villa 0-2 Wigan was also surprising, but at least it got me some points in Fantasy Football.
 
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