This. She deserved more actually. Not only for her stupidity but also for her lack of respect/courtesy. She could have walked off quietly too. But she didn't, so she might also be a media you-know-what. A slap would have been justifiable in that situation.
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This. She deserved more actually. Not only for her stupidity but also for her lack of respect/courtesy. She could have walked off quietly too. But she didn't, so she might also be a media you-know-what. A slap would have been justifiable in that situation.
hahahahah wow you guys just got raped
Okay, you guys need to just cool down for a minute and stop swinging at each other's throats. We all have different opinions and some of us are maybe, ah.....misinformed.
Although I can understand this woman's anger, I would have to say her reaction was....inappropriate. Honestly, to object to a joke in that situation is extremely difficult to do correctly, if there is a way to do it correctly at all.
That isn't the way to handle something like that. And you need to stop labeling this woman as a feminist. The line between comedy and offense is different according to each person's ideals, and to this woman, Daniel Tosh crossed the line, and then took a mile with it.
That's all that happened.
Although I can understand this woman's anger, I would have to say her reaction was....inappropriate. Honestly, to object to a joke in that situation is extremely difficult to do correctly, if there is a way to do it correctly at all.
That isn't the way to handle something like that. And you need to stop labeling this woman as a feminist. The line between comedy and offense is different according to each person's ideals, and to this woman, Daniel Tosh crossed the line, and then took a mile with it.
That's all that happened.
the troll in you is strong like bull.
A rapist, a scandalously clad woman, and Daniel Tosh walk into a bar. The bartender comments that the woman wearing very little clothing, Tosh makes a rape joke, then the rapist rapes the woman.
Who is to blame for the rape???
requesting myzozoa answer
Who is to blame for the rape???
requesting myzozoa answer
I'll agree with DM in that Tosh is actually a good stand-up comedian. By that I mean live on-stage stand up, not Tosh.0.
Really I'm quite surprised that he reacted that way to the woman openly disagreeing with his jokes but really it's all just a part of the situation. When you go to a stand-up show you have to expect things to get offensive, that's how modern comedy works. Nearly every successful comedian gets viewers by making some sort of offensive, biased or just flat out anything-ist joke. I'm sure the woman didn't understand that it was a joke, but openly standing up and calling out Tosh definitely wasn't the proper reaction. Tosh's reply to her reaction also was way out of line, but I can understand that he probably had to do that to avoid the show being completely ruined.
Really I'm quite surprised that he reacted that way to the woman openly disagreeing with his jokes but really it's all just a part of the situation. When you go to a stand-up show you have to expect things to get offensive, that's how modern comedy works. Nearly every successful comedian gets viewers by making some sort of offensive, biased or just flat out anything-ist joke. I'm sure the woman didn't understand that it was a joke, but openly standing up and calling out Tosh definitely wasn't the proper reaction. Tosh's reply to her reaction also was way out of line, but I can understand that he probably had to do that to avoid the show being completely ruined.
I'd also like to point out Myzozoa that your "article" is simply a blog written by a self-acclaimed feminist. It is neither scholarly endorsed, nor backed by research. Even in her "Rape FAQ" she offers zero statistics or credible sources for her information. It's simply one person's ideas based on a subject of maybe personal experience, which we can't even be totally sure of because, again, it's simply a blog on the Internet.
i think it's more like 1 in 20
i find it quite disturbing that you don't see this as a problem. women being told not to go out late is inherently oppressive. people should be able to go where they want without fear of what time it is or when they'll get back home.
that's a little more than 1 in 20, actually. thanks moot
Myzozoa your link is extraordinarily long and rambles. Unless you give me a really good reason to, I am not going to read it.
Especially since your quote I disagree with entirely. I dont think that because a person enjoys rape jokes they cant treat rape as a serious topic.
I dont think rape jokes are meant to do anything more than make people laugh. I think the reason most people dont say things like that about rape except in jokes is because in general, they dont think it..
I have a few points I think are relevant here, but, they might just as easily be wild strawmen since you havent really made your point except to link to a massive article that I am probably not going to read.
Especially since your quote I disagree with entirely. I dont think that because a person enjoys rape jokes they cant treat rape as a serious topic.
I dont think rape jokes are meant to do anything more than make people laugh. I think the reason most people dont say things like that about rape except in jokes is because in general, they dont think it..
I have a few points I think are relevant here, but, they might just as easily be wild strawmen since you havent really made your point except to link to a massive article that I am probably not going to read.
Doesn't matter who is to blame. All that matters is that rape is funny. As funny if not funnier than abortion, sexism, racism, murder and/or religious jokes. In comedy there are no limits. If you can't handle it, ignore it and listen to comedians who talk about your interests. I personally find abortion and anti religion jokes the funniest. Sprinkled with a little racism and sexism here and there. Bill Maher, Tosh, Amy Shumer etc.
Nothing is not allowed to be joked about. The premiere running joke of the comedic circuit is the Aristocrats. Have these petitioners even been to a Jimmy Carr performance? Rape is funny. It is funny because it is horrible. We can make anything horrible funny almost easier than we can make not offensive things funny. It makes horrible things easier to live with, maybe not for all the rape victims, but for the rest of us.
I'm not a "well meaning" guy when it comes to women, I like them more than I like men. But my own sister has been raped and I don't treat her or any other victim like the permanently damaged individuals that modern feminists want them to be. If I have a friend who asks me not to make a rape joke, then that is a courtesy that extends to them and only them.
And I am sure as hell not responsible for the actions of any rapists, what a load of shit. If I thought that I might as well stop making video games, because someday I'm going to be responsible for murder. She doesn't even cite any sort of source. I can! Moreover rape is a crime and we aren't yet close to social engineering any crime away. When the vocal minority of women are trying to shame all men you are probably creating more sexists than less. People are inherently defensive of their own kind, and historically humans hate each other over any and every sort of difference (yes including gender) so trying to drive that wedge wider as seems to be the current feminist strategy is just foolish to me.
I'm not a "well meaning" guy when it comes to women, I like them more than I like men. But my own sister has been raped and I don't treat her or any other victim like the permanently damaged individuals that modern feminists want them to be. If I have a friend who asks me not to make a rape joke, then that is a courtesy that extends to them and only them.
And I am sure as hell not responsible for the actions of any rapists, what a load of shit. If I thought that I might as well stop making video games, because someday I'm going to be responsible for murder. She doesn't even cite any sort of source. I can! Moreover rape is a crime and we aren't yet close to social engineering any crime away. When the vocal minority of women are trying to shame all men you are probably creating more sexists than less. People are inherently defensive of their own kind, and historically humans hate each other over any and every sort of difference (yes including gender) so trying to drive that wedge wider as seems to be the current feminist strategy is just foolish to me.
its very disturbing and oppressive. although its also the solution to an otherwise unsolvable problem.
rape is not funny, its very serious. it can be made light of and joked about, but rape in itself is a very serious thing.
This presents a pretty incorrect view of rape. Rape doesn't (with rare exceptions) happen at 3am in a dark alley. Most rape can be categorized as "acquaintance rape." The steps to prevent that would be something more like make sure you always have a friend with you at a party. Just wanted to point that out.
except this rationality is flawed since its been an ongoing struggle throughout history. we make laws to protect people, but some people will break those laws regardless. catching one rapist and putting them in jail doesnt magically stop the others. we are also only able to catch rapists after the fact.
this does not mean we can shift blame to the victims.
100% of the blame goes to the rapist. we need to educate people on what rape is and whose fault it is (again, the rapist), because as has been mentioned in this thread, victims may not know.
when our judges acquit rapists when hearing the girl was drunk and dressed provocatively, that should be a glaring signal that something is horribly wrong in the system
e: strayed too far whoops. there are campaigns in place that instead of telling potential victims how to avoid rape (which adds shame + blame for not avoiding rape) tells men not to rape and to keep their friends in check when they are potentially putting someone in danger. preventing rapists, not just rapes
cut the guy some slack. Everyone makes mistakes, and making a bad rape joke once isn't representative of anything about tosh. If anyone is claiming that he intended to threaten the woman, they better have some serious evidence to back up such a bold claim.
Unfortunately rape jokes come under fire too easily because people think they trivialise rape. I don't know if it makes people more likely to commit a rape or something else, but it's stupid. It's somewhat understandable that some rape victims who don't use humour as a coping mechanism might find them offensive, but as many people have said already, people know what they're buying into when they see a comedian like him.
I agree that rape jokes need to be carefully crafted: a bad joke is unfunny, but if it's about rape it's easy to cause a big hoo-ha. I'm not going to argue about whether that hoo-ha is justified, but it just gives an extra reason to think more about jokes, which any self-respecting comedian should be doing anyway.
Unfortunately rape jokes come under fire too easily because people think they trivialise rape. I don't know if it makes people more likely to commit a rape or something else, but it's stupid. It's somewhat understandable that some rape victims who don't use humour as a coping mechanism might find them offensive, but as many people have said already, people know what they're buying into when they see a comedian like him.
I agree that rape jokes need to be carefully crafted: a bad joke is unfunny, but if it's about rape it's easy to cause a big hoo-ha. I'm not going to argue about whether that hoo-ha is justified, but it just gives an extra reason to think more about jokes, which any self-respecting comedian should be doing anyway.
Where's the petition? I'll sign.
"Rights" groups? What rights are they defending? Certainly not the freedom of speech. Am i, or Tosh, raping anyone? No, we are using our American-given rights. Sorry if i don't want to live in a sensitive PC America where we can only say stuff that won't offend others. Not like i am encouraging people to go out and rape away either.
Just saying how rape is funny and Tosh has the right to say whatever he wants whenever he wants.
ok, that has like nothing to do with what im talking about, and not sure why you felt the need to respond to my post with it, but its a good point none the less...
sorry, i'm probably too mad to stay focused. gonna cool down and reconsider whether or not i can even accomplish what i want to here.
I agree: however, people should still be mindful that dressing provocatively and being drunk will increase the odds of them being raped, because there are people like that. It may not be fair on the woman that dressing/acting the way she wants has that effect, but she has to be pragmatic.
I am the model of civility. However how can we not post opinions when discussing what is or isn't funny? It is very subjective and there is no scientifical way to prove what is funny or not. I, along with millions others, find rape funny. But i don't want to get into that really. This is all about freedom of speech(which is far more serious and important). Not rape.
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