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Throh
- Thread starter Deck Knight
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mountain Storm's Auto-Crit also allow Nageki to bypass Attack decreases? With the amount of new pokes running Intimidate, it can certainly be an interesting attack, especially on a phaser who may end up repeatedly intimidated.
Guts is also a great ability for a Phasing Fighting type Pokemon as well. Since he may draw the attention of Ghosts who may try to Will o' Wisp him. If he draws a Shandera, his excellent Bulk coupled with some Special Defense IVs and Payback allows him to fight effectively against them as well.
Guts is also a great ability for a Phasing Fighting type Pokemon as well. Since he may draw the attention of Ghosts who may try to Will o' Wisp him. If he draws a Shandera, his excellent Bulk coupled with some Special Defense IVs and Payback allows him to fight effectively against them as well.
i have made a new set that takes advantage of his bulk
nageki
item:leftovers
nature adamant
ability:guts
ev's 252 hp 252 atk 4 def
bulk up
mountain storm
payback
stone edge
takes advantage of all that bulk he has with this set he can take attacks as well as dish them out and it covers up most if not all of its weakness with his already considerable hit taking capacity leftovers effect that constantly restores hp is going to make him able to take all attacks just as god as any wall would like blissey or metagross and with its adamant nature it will dish out mountain storm almost as good as machamp does dynamic punch and adding on the boost it will gets if his guts activates this thing is the dream combo of machamp + blissey/metagross
nageki
item:leftovers
nature adamant
ability:guts
ev's 252 hp 252 atk 4 def
bulk up
mountain storm
payback
stone edge
takes advantage of all that bulk he has with this set he can take attacks as well as dish them out and it covers up most if not all of its weakness with his already considerable hit taking capacity leftovers effect that constantly restores hp is going to make him able to take all attacks just as god as any wall would like blissey or metagross and with its adamant nature it will dish out mountain storm almost as good as machamp does dynamic punch and adding on the boost it will gets if his guts activates this thing is the dream combo of machamp + blissey/metagross
Bulky Hitter, Overhead throw could work in Tandem with Tentacruel and Toxic spikes.
Seriously, Tentacruel is a monster nowadays... and this guy is its little henchman
Seriously, Tentacruel is a monster nowadays... and this guy is its little henchman
yes but with leftovers on my set that problem is resolved
You're overestimating leftovers recovery.
Focus Punch is no longer a TM, it got replaced by Claw Sharpen. :\ What a shame.
well considering he is already bulky and can take hits with this set leftovers just adds the finnishing touch but seriosuly its incredibly bulky it dosent need drain punch
I have to agree that Nageki can be somewhat compared to Roobushin. It doesn't hack Roobu's selling points (monumental attack, priority, and drain punch), but has it's own niches.
Nageki HP may not be as high, but its defenses are amazing. Besides, this thing ignores intimidate/cosmic power/whatever with overhead throw and mountain storm. It can bulk up, payback, and has Mold Breaker, allowing it to spam earthquakes against Gengar, Rotom, Shibirudon, the Latis, etc.
Nageki HP may not be as high, but its defenses are amazing. Besides, this thing ignores intimidate/cosmic power/whatever with overhead throw and mountain storm. It can bulk up, payback, and has Mold Breaker, allowing it to spam earthquakes against Gengar, Rotom, Shibirudon, the Latis, etc.
I don't think Nageki will ever be a serious contender vs. Roopushin. I used him on my team with a Bulk Up set just to see how good Mountain Storm, only to get walled even harder by the things Roopushin does. >_>
Come on, Gamefreak, 100 base attack? Now they both suck. >_>
Come on, Gamefreak, 100 base attack? Now they both suck. >_>
I've been trying the Sub+3 Attacks set, with Payback instead of Body Slam, and it has really worked better than I expected. It's replaced Zuru on my team for the time being and makes a really good Shuffler.
And of course, Nageki can't compare with the new Machamp 2.0, but you need to focus on what he can do that no other fighting types can do. He's far outclassed as a Bulk up user by pokes such as Roobushin and Zuruzukin but that's not the point. He can be a great offensive Shuffler on a semi stall team, and Mold Breaker really helps his niche potential.
And of course, Nageki can't compare with the new Machamp 2.0, but you need to focus on what he can do that no other fighting types can do. He's far outclassed as a Bulk up user by pokes such as Roobushin and Zuruzukin but that's not the point. He can be a great offensive Shuffler on a semi stall team, and Mold Breaker really helps his niche potential.
So. I just realized this:
Check the eyebrows.
Check the eyebrows.
lmitchell0012
Wi-Fi Blacklisted
Mountain storm is an ATTACK, not an ability.
Anyways, I think that a scarf set is the only viable set for this pokemon. There's just too much that can outspeed this thing...
Max speed Throh only hits 312 speed with a scarf.
I say you should just abuse his great bulk instead of trying to fix his horrible speed.
Well, 'just' is a relative term. I guess I realized it about an hour ago. -winkwink nudgenudge-
I know it doesn't mean anything, and it certainly isn't a perfect match-up (Sawk's brow is more of a Z...), but I can't help but wonder if localization team did it intentionally just for fun.
breh
強いだね
No.
but scarfthroh is beaten by choicebandbliss!
i think overhead throw outclasses mountain storm alittle because hazards + phazing + "free" hit= fuck yes!
Throh/Nageki's stat distribution actually looks really good. 100 attack is just enough for it to inflict damage on things it needs to, and thanks to good coverage (Payback, fighting type attacks, Stone Edge/Rockslide, Earthquake), it can always pose a threat.
It's defenses are great, the immediate defenses it has are even better than Reuniclus (but Throh lacks any immediate recovery or magic guard), and despite not having a means of immediate recovery, it's unwise to inflict status on it right away due to Guts. Giving Throh a 1.5x boost to all of it's attacks is a pretty steep price to pay for residual damage.
If Throh packs Revenge, it's got an immediate 120 BP move before STAB without sacrificing attack or bulk, like it would if it used Superpower. Throh's HP and defenses allow it to use Revenge rather effectively as well, but again, residual damage is problematic for Throh since it has no reliable recovery options, and leftovers will probably be it's best bet.
Throh can also safely deal with ghost types thanks to it's access to Payback and again, it's good defenses. While healthy, Throh can survive nearly anything that's not supereffective. Pokemon like Chandelure also won't enjoy eating Stone Edges or Rockslides (or Earthquake) and should you want, Throh can also go for stat reducing moves like Ankle Sweep or Rock Tomb to pester with opponents as they try to work around it.
Throh basically stops Tyranitar cold as well, as it fears nothing from Tyranitar, and can easily OHKO it with it's STAB moves. Fighting is a very solid defensive type, as only Flying and Psychic type attacks will give it trouble, and neither are very common attack types. However, it is unfortunate to be weak to flying, thanks to the prevalence of Skarmory, which can switch in on Throh and shrug off virtually anything it can throw at it, and phaze it away. Worse yet, Skarmory can just as easily hit a high powered Brave Bird into Throh. Even with investments, surviving a 360 BP move (120 x 2 x 1.5) is a rather tall order for Throh to fill.
Throh makes an excellent partner for the aforementioned Reuniclus too. Throh has no issue with switching into oncoming dark type attacks (though the most common dark type attack, Pursuit, makes it kind of annoying to switch in to), and Reuniclus can cover Psychic type attacks aimed at Throh. Reuniclus' ability to set up Trick Room also compliments Throh's terrible speed, making it one of the quicker trick room users.
Throh's main issue is competition with Conkeldurr. While Throh obviously sports more balanced defenses, Conkeldurr has a massive 140 base attack (which is better to abuse guts with), the same speed plus an option to use priority, and even a recovery option. In order to not be outclassed, Throh should focus on trying to use it's phazing capabilities along with it's good mixed defenses.
It's defenses are great, the immediate defenses it has are even better than Reuniclus (but Throh lacks any immediate recovery or magic guard), and despite not having a means of immediate recovery, it's unwise to inflict status on it right away due to Guts. Giving Throh a 1.5x boost to all of it's attacks is a pretty steep price to pay for residual damage.
If Throh packs Revenge, it's got an immediate 120 BP move before STAB without sacrificing attack or bulk, like it would if it used Superpower. Throh's HP and defenses allow it to use Revenge rather effectively as well, but again, residual damage is problematic for Throh since it has no reliable recovery options, and leftovers will probably be it's best bet.
Throh can also safely deal with ghost types thanks to it's access to Payback and again, it's good defenses. While healthy, Throh can survive nearly anything that's not supereffective. Pokemon like Chandelure also won't enjoy eating Stone Edges or Rockslides (or Earthquake) and should you want, Throh can also go for stat reducing moves like Ankle Sweep or Rock Tomb to pester with opponents as they try to work around it.
Throh basically stops Tyranitar cold as well, as it fears nothing from Tyranitar, and can easily OHKO it with it's STAB moves. Fighting is a very solid defensive type, as only Flying and Psychic type attacks will give it trouble, and neither are very common attack types. However, it is unfortunate to be weak to flying, thanks to the prevalence of Skarmory, which can switch in on Throh and shrug off virtually anything it can throw at it, and phaze it away. Worse yet, Skarmory can just as easily hit a high powered Brave Bird into Throh. Even with investments, surviving a 360 BP move (120 x 2 x 1.5) is a rather tall order for Throh to fill.
Throh makes an excellent partner for the aforementioned Reuniclus too. Throh has no issue with switching into oncoming dark type attacks (though the most common dark type attack, Pursuit, makes it kind of annoying to switch in to), and Reuniclus can cover Psychic type attacks aimed at Throh. Reuniclus' ability to set up Trick Room also compliments Throh's terrible speed, making it one of the quicker trick room users.
Throh's main issue is competition with Conkeldurr. While Throh obviously sports more balanced defenses, Conkeldurr has a massive 140 base attack (which is better to abuse guts with), the same speed plus an option to use priority, and even a recovery option. In order to not be outclassed, Throh should focus on trying to use it's phazing capabilities along with it's good mixed defenses.
Stratos
Banned deucer.
I think the number one role of this guy is to break set up sweepers. I mean, a move with 100% critical hit ratio has no other purpose, and that actually makes it a 120 Base Power move (Factoring STAB) that ignores damage-hindering stat changes. I think it could do a decent job against the likes of Blissey and Zuruzukin, etc.