Togedemaru Discussion

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Togedemaru
Electric/Steel
Abilities: Iron Barbs / Lightning Rod / Sturdy
HP: 65
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpAtk: 40
SpDef: 73
Spe: 96

Level Up

L1 - Tackle
L1 - Thunder Shock
L5 - Defense Curl
L9 - Rollout
L13 - Charge
L17 - Spark
L21 - Nuzzle
L25 - Magnet Rise
L29 - Discharge
L33 - Zing Zap
L37 - Electric Terrain
L41 - Wild Charge
L45 - Pin Missile
L49 - Spiky Shield
L53 - Fell Stinger

TMs

TM01 - Work Up
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM17 - Protect
TM21 - Frustration
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM27 - Return
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM48 - Round
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM72 - Volt Switch
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM74 - Gyro Ball
TM84 - Poison Jab
TM86 - Grass Knot
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM89 - U-turn
TM90 - Substitute
TM93 - Wild Charge
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Reversal
Egg - Present
Egg - Encore
Egg - Twineedle
Egg - Wish
Egg - Fake Out
Egg - Tickle
Egg - Flail
Egg - Disarming Voice


New Move

Zing Zap: A strong electric blast crashes down on the target, giving it an electric shock. This may also make the target flinch. 100% accuracy [Electric] 80 BP, Physical.
 
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Good to see GF taking some measures to cure the the physical move droughts in electric and ghost (now if we could only have more special rock, but then again Diancie got power gem now). Probably my favoite Pikaclone now unless Mimikyu counts.

Although then again it appears to lack a good steel move, not that steel is that good on offense anyway but it would have been nice to have something for all those freakin' fairies. It's too fast to use Gyro Ball properly.

Can't really see any strong competitive merit, but not bad for in-game runs.
 
not terribly shitty stat wise for a pikaclone...better than dedenne aka i don't even get fairy stab for my best offensive stat turned out.
Is it really that much better than Dedenne? This poor little clone also suffers from utter lack of secondary stab for best offensive stat. Unless Gyro Ball off base 96 speed is good this generation.
 
No Follow me or Super Fang though.
RIP #WorldChampTogedemaru2017

Not all bad for it though: Lightning Rod actually makes it something you would want against Tapu Koko, which may be an issue in the coming VGC season. If people pair it with Rain, that is. And while it can't redirect, Fake Out, Encore and Nuzzle make for a pretty decent set of Support Moves, since i believe Nuzzle is the only perfect accuracy Paralysis move now. The typing does give it some nice resists too... if only it had a good Steel Move though.
 
I was hoping this would be bulky with Spikes or something, oh well. I guess it has Wish + Spiky Shield if you want to run a wonky bulky set. It's a shame it's not a good Rocky Helmet user, Fake Out + Spiky Shield + Iron Barbs + Rocky Helmet adds up to a lot of free damage. Here's hoping tutors give it Endure.
 
those are probably for when we get tutors from 3rd game(s) or remakes of a previous gen.
 
Although then again it appears to lack a good steel move, not that steel is that good on offense anyway but it would have been nice to have something for all those freakin' fairies. It's too fast to use Gyro Ball properly.
It gets Poison Jab if it really needs something for fairies.
 
Its not all bad for this electric rodent. It has surprisngly good attack and speed and I think it may have the most resistances in the game along with the magnezone line. It doesnt really get good Steel stab but it will definitively be decent in the lower tiers. It would definitely be better if it got nuzzle and super fang but its still not that bad.
 
It does get Nuzzle like any other pikaclone. I guess a set of Nuzzle, Wish, Spiky Shield and U-Turn can at least annoy some people in singles.

Oh my bad. That definitely adds to its viability. Can be great paraysis support in the lower tiers. It can switch in a lot even though its defenses are lacking due to all those reistances and Iron Barbs.
 

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Pikaclone is Pikaclone, that is all (maybe if it got an evolution it could have gone someplace...).

Okay, Attack and Speed are decent but don't get over that 100 benchmark. And for a Steel-type with Iron Barbs and Sturdy, its defenses are meh. Same can be said about it getting Lightning Rod with low Special Attack. GF, what were you trying to do here?

STAB is either Nuzzle or the new Zing Zap, but Gyro Ball ain't that good of a Steel-type move for it (at least give it Iron Head). Rollout (plus Defense Curl), Payback, and Poison Jab is only coverage. However it has quite the utility set. Good thing it gets Magnet Rise cause it HATES Ground-type moves (and by that I mean Earthquake), Electric Terrain, Spiky Shield, Fell Stinger, and Volt Switch & U-turn (it gets both but not Vikavolt?). Only interesting Egg Move is Fake Out (why does it get Present?). I think GF is asking us to make a gimmick for it instead of doing it themselves
 
I can see the sets now:

Togedemaru @ Life Orb / Choice Band
Ability: Lightning Rod / Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out / Reversal
- Zing Zap
- Poison Jab
- U-Turn

or maybe

Togedemaru @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs / Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk/ 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Nuzzle
- Encore
- Wish
- U-Turn

and for VGC, perhaps

Togedemaru @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk/ 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Nuzzle
- Encore
- Spiky Shield
 

Ash Borer

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I fee like Togdemaru's best shot at viability in whatever tier it lands in is leveraging its typing to do stupid amounts of passive damage. It's too frail to be defensive, and too weak to do damage. Physical contact bug, steel, flying, and normal attacks aren't all too uncommon.

Togedemaru @ Rocky Helmet
Iron Barbs
252 speed / 252 attack / 4 hp
Jolly
- Zing Zap
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn
- Spiky Shield

Switch in on something that won't kill you, inflict all of that passive damage, then pressure the opponent into making the wrong move by threatening to absorb their coverage move with Spiky Shield, and paralyze whatever comes in, or grab some momentum.
 

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Togedemaru @ Rocky Helmet
Iron Barbs
252 speed / 252 attack / 4 hp
Jolly
- Zing Zap
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn
- Spiky Shield
Why Twave though? It has been nerfed and Togedemaru has Nuzzle, which is infinitely better.

This thing needs Iron Tail so badly. Better than Dedenne in singles i guess (but i'd rather use Emolga all day over togedemaru). Maybe it'll be fun in PU/FU.
 

Ash Borer

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Why Twave though? It has been nerfed and Togedemaru has Nuzzle, which is infinitely better.

This thing needs Iron Tail so badly. Better than Dedenne in singles i guess (but i'd rather use Emolga all day over togedemaru). Maybe it'll be fun in PU/FU.
oh, you're right, Nuzzle should be there in its place.
 
Was expecting this thing to be special, not physical. And Spikes as well. Some weird movepool. Dedenne syndrome too, no STAB for its highest stat. Might see more usage than the usual pikaclones tho.
 
Yeah that's what I meant. It has Flash Cannon but not Iron Head. Just like how Dedenne has Play Rough but not Dazzling Gleam. I explained myself poorly, sorry.
 

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