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Tornadus (Analysis)

May i suggest "HP Ice / Tailwind" instead of Air Slash on the Special Attacker ? Flying/Fighting already has great coverage and Tailwind has been buffed up to 4 turns. It's situational, but useful when forcing switches as a pseudo-Agility (yes, I know it can learn it) and especially as a last resort, when Scizor is about to Bullet Punch you. 3 turns of double speeds can really turn the tables, as not much can take.


As for the Torment set, did anyone actually use it successfully, because I really don't buy it. TormentTran only works because Heatran has 12 resistances and immunities coupled with excellent 91/106/106 defenses, and the 5 types that hit for at least neutral damage are rarely seen together. Tornadus, has a whopping three resistances and is so frail its subs can't even take resisted hits. So, it basically comes down to SubProtect stalling on something weak to SandStorm...
 
I agree, with all the comments here, and have thus removed the inviable sets. However, I am curious as to whether there are any other viable competitive sets other than the special attacker... Playtesting, here i go...
 
What's up with the mixed set? Dark Pulse, Tailwind? Make it look like this:

name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Hammer Arm
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Taunt / U-turn
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
ability: Mischievous Heart
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 32 Atk / 224 SpA / 252 Spe

Also, space out your slashes ( not Taunt/U-turn, Taunt / U-turn)
 
Thanks for implementing the changes that were suggested! This looks good to go now.

QC APPROVED (1/3)
 
I tested the Bulk Up set. It's actually pretty decent.


name: Bulk Up
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Acrobat
move 3: Brick Break
move 4: Taunt
item: Flight Jewel
ability: Mischievous Heart
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe (Max HP Spread in AC)
 
I'm aware this has already been QC-Approved and the options have been listed, but can you perhaps put Rain Dance or Tailwind in the Addtional Comments or Other Options for the sake of options? Apparently, Rain Dance and Tailwind Tornadus and Thundurus have been all the rage in the Suspect thread, both of them being able to lure and defeat Tyranitar while setting up Rain Dance before fainting. Normally, both would be placed in replacement of U-Turn and Taunt.
 
Like how Sawsbuck has become a staple on Sun teams, this guy has become a staple for rain teams. You could say this reason for using him over Thundurus in Rain teams - "Tornadus has the most powerful Hurricane in the game, and is capable of 2HKOing the entire metagame with it. There is no safe switch-in into Tornadus and unlike Thundurus who relies on a Hidden Power, Tornadus is perfectly comfortable spamming his Hurricane". Thanks to some playing, I learned that a Specs Modest Tornadus 2HKOs 252/188 Ferrothorn. Sadly though, you can't run modest due to jolly chomp and jolly base 108s outspeeding you. I've been using a LO set and found learned that due to his surprise factor and everyone else using Thundurus, he's really good at whipping out unsuspecting teams. I've been running Grass Knot to OHKO free pert switch-ins, the only tanks I've seen who can survive a Hurricance (takes like 88%). I feel he's more comfortable spaming Hurricane than forcing switches (it does massive damage to anything on the switch) and think only Taunt is needed since it helps screw up Baton Pass leads and set up sweepers.
 
Are you still working on this? This analysis was QC approved a while ago, so I'd like to see some updates please. Otherwise, I'll be taking this away under inactivity.
 
Um, just wondering, if your not running a few with a status move, like when you run u-turn over taunt, whats the point of mischievous heart? It does nothing there, in those cases when you use u-turn, wouldn't defiant (lol) have argueably more use?
 
Scarfwynaut said:
Um, just wondering, if your not running a few with a status move, like when you run u-turn over taunt, whats the point of mischievous heart? It does nothing there, in those cases when you use u-turn, wouldn't defiant (lol) have argueably more use?
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Defiant Tornadus isn't released, so no.
 
Woah woah woah!

Hold on! I've been using Tornadus for quite some time now, and I think the main set needs a major rehaul. I'm sorry for bringing this up on you now (especially right when you're in the middle of copy editing) but the current set could be better.

name: Rain Abuser
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Hammer Arm
move 3: Rain Dance
move 4: U-turn / Taunt
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive
ability: Prankster

This new set is a lot more potent than the old one. Hammer Arm is significantly better than Focus Blast. Not only does it have superior accuracy, it can easily OHKO standard Tyranitar. Rain Dance is extremely on Tornadus because it allows you to bring up rain at any time, and its especially useful in emergency situations. Air Slash absolutely useless and had little value on Tornadus.

Your opponent just sacked Tyranitar because they killed Politoed?
Priority Rain Dance is very useful against Excadrill.

Axe the Special Attacker set. Choice Specs is AC material at best. Sevendeadlysins can attest to this sets effectiveness(having both used & watch Tornadus this varient of Tornadus), its extremely really potent.
 
PK Gaming said:
Woah woah woah!

Hold on! I've been using Tornadus for quite some time now, and I think the main set needs a major rehaul.

name: Rain Abuser
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Hammer Arm
move 3: Rain Dance
move 4: U-turn
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive

This new set is a lot more potent than the old one. Hammer Arm is significantly better than Focus Blast. Not only does it have superior accuracy, it can easily OHKO standard Tyranitar. Rain Dance is extremely on Tornadus because it allows you to bring up rain at any time, and its especially useful in emergency situations. Air Slash absolutely useless and had little value on Tornadus.

Your opponent just sacked Tyranitar because they killed Politoed?
Priority Rain Dance is very useful against Excadrill.
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ive actually been using a set like this except with focus blast and taunt instead of uturn and hammer arm for mmy swift swim team, and i have to agree with pk gaming here. he sets up rain perfectly and messes with other weather teams a lot, which is extremely useful in today's metagame
 
I'd say slash Taunt next to U-turn, but Hammer Arm is a bajillion times better than Focus Blast. Not only is it more accurate, but it also is guaranteed to OHKO Tyranitar with 36 Attack EVs and a Life Orb, which Focus Blast may not be able to do.
 
So since everybody's chipping in on Rain Dance Tornadus, I just wanted to say that Tornadus, like Mixed Thundurus, is perfectly capable of setting up Rain Dance on a non-Drizzle team. If you're not using Politoed, but have serious problems with Sandstorm and Sun teams, Tornadus is almost always a fix once it eliminates Tyranitar and sometimes Ninetales. If you're in a desperate situation, let's say an impending Excadrill sweep, priority Rain Dance is almost always nice.

For particular teammates I would HIGHLY recommend Special and Mixed Kingdra, whom basically breaks teams that lack healthy Ferrothorn. A common strategy is to sacrifice Tornadus on the turn it Rain Dances, and bring Kingdra in to safety. Kingdra can also be sent in via U-Turn.

Anyways, yes, Rain Dance Tornadus is always good, and doesn't deserve OC.
 
name: Rain Abuser
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Hammer Arm
move 3: Tailwind
move 4: Taunt / Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive
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The set I've been using. Tailwind has very good overall utility. Rain already in your favor? No one wants to fight shit like CB Azumarill spamming Waterfall with double speed.
 
Conceptualized something you can put u in OO:
Give it a bulkier spread and escape button for dedicated rain passing-you have 4 turns for your sweeper and also a safe switch.
 
Here is a thundrus set that i didn't see mentioned an anti lead set

Thundrus
Item focus sash/ life orb
Evs 252 speed 252 special attack 4 hp
Hasty
Mischievous heart/ prankster
Thunderbolt
U turn
taunt
HP fire.

With this set you have counters to most leads for pollitoad T bolt it dies, for forrtress(I see this a lot for some reason) taunt then hp fire, Tyranatar U turn out,. Most other leads are dealt with by decent prediction. The only lead that this guy cant handle is dragonite. It can prevent DDs and run but thats about it unless you want to run hp ice.
 
2btheOrb said:
Here is a thundrus set that i didn't see mentioned an anti lead set

Thundrus
Item focus sash/ life orb
Evs 252 speed 252 special attack 4 hp
Hasty
Mischievous heart/ prankster
Thunderbolt
U turn
taunt
HP fire.

With this set you have counters to most leads for pollitoad T bolt it dies, for forrtress(I see this a lot for some reason) taunt then hp fire, Tyranatar U turn out,. Most other leads are dealt with by decent prediction. The only lead that this guy cant handle is dragonite. It can prevent DDs and run but thats about it unless you want to run hp ice.
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this is the tornadus analysis. put this up here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82951

also since leads dont exist anymore, anti leads arent normally necessary
 
I also agree that Tailwind should go on the Rain Abuser set over Taunt and U-turn. Tailwind can be used as a last ditch effort to attempt a sweep with Politoed or Azumarill, and can help if your Azumarill is dead and the opponent as a +2 speed Terrakion or something (you can use Thundurus or Starmie to outspeed it).

I'd also like to point out that Specs shouldn't be as shunned as it currently is. Specs Hurricane is powerful and no LO recoil is good if their only priority user is Conkeldurr or another Mach Punch user.

Edit: "Tailwind is also a viable option as Prankster will usually make it go first and it can support the rest of the team. However, it is usually an inferior option as Tailwind only lasts four turns". Is this all you have to say regarding Tailwind? Tailwind is a FANTASTIC option seeing as Tornadus is always guaranteed to get it up. 4 Turns is all you need to regain momentum, and that is important if something is about to sweep you. I've used a lot of Tornadus with Tailwind, and I can safely say that it should replace Taunt and U-turn on the first set.
 
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