NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH

“The same thing” in the sense of being a game operative wagon rather than trying to vote someone out

Because yeah as Alice says we’re not all gonna be here at deadline, I’m town and Alice could be and if both of us are town we’ve already lost lol
 
And I think Evie is British (she’s in the UK Smogon server lol) so that’s 3 and Evie def is town

So effectively non-EU timezone scum can just wagon whoever at deadline and win
 
Celever said:
if the majority of us vote for extension then day should be extended by 24 hours, by standard hosting metrics

Ehmcee can you confirm if you'll do this in this game
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This will not be happening, I surveyed a few people and the consensus seemed to be that the best idea would be for it to be unanimous.

The decision was not unanimous
 
Mate if you wanna vote Joey I’m down

I think it’s borderline and I’m not 100% positive but I couldn’t come up with a 100% positive vote today
 
It is weird to me than I would put Joey at above rand scum and Miyami as my probably most preferred vote out but the solve that they tried to psychic bus a team mate, I mean it’s possible lol
 
HydrogenHydreigon i have to wake up for work in 8 hours please pull the trigger on someone

Town have to vote together I was down to follow whatever town on whoever and still am bc I cannot come up with a totally solid target
 
I do think Lechen is the most surefire hit, probably followed by Miyami and then the rest is kind of a mess but Joey’s posting simply has not been good today lol
 
I feel that I've been genuinely a very good townie, d1 I pushed AG the entire time even when nobody was listening to me and was very close to getting him voted all the way up to deadline, I also saved Evie from being the vote (and I they had 1 more vote than AG got, so they would've been the vote)

I gave all the info I had to hydro and it all checks out even if there isn't anything super groundbreaking there

I feel like I have a decent gamestate read and the Miyami/Celever team makes a lot of sense to me with how today has gone

Happy to answer questions about what reservations you have about me Hydro. We cannot misvote here and it would be painful for me to be the one voted out knowing I'm town
 
Since I'm in a hurry because I want to sleep I honestly think scumteam is Joey + Lechen + Miyami + someone else.

Lechen witch, joey recon and miyami is probably mafia killer based on claim.

I wouldn't vote out lechen today because the witch is not that useful so it's between joey and miyami.

Mafia killer being ambusher would be annoying in case jalmont is real. Mafioso is whatever

Celever could be fooling me but last posts screamed town
 
joey said:
My solve right now, I think, is Miyami/Celever + 2 of Lechen/JALMONT/Alice (probably in that order of likelihood? but idk about JALMONT/Lechen together after JALMONT's posting today)

Read-based:

My core belief that leads me to this conclusion is the gamestate we are in right now. Entering the day, it is 5-4 and there is no obvious vote for today. Mafia needs just one misvote to win. If I were mafia, I wouldn't just roll over and let town figure out what to do - mafia needs to be active today and really push the narrative along to eventually lead people to a misvote. And I think Miyami/Celever are both essentially doing that, though through very different approaches.

At the start of the day, most everyone was still planning on entertaining the town leader meta - give results to Hydro and let him compile them with the towncore, and then he would report his findings and we would analyze them. I'm not saying we would've had Hydro simply tell us who to vote and do that, but coming into the day there was a decent chance that there would be a mechnically guaranteed-evil vote today, which would buy us another day of results and discussion. It didn't work out that way, but no one knew that until the massclaim.

Miyami, however, went into the day guns-blazing and immediately publicized her results and tried to start a vote on me. Why would she do this? I acknowledge that if she were a town and had her Psychic results, from her perspective I would be confirmed evil. But this is essentially a "trust me bro" source. It would be a huge misplay from town to follow these results blindly, so the public callout at the start of the day kind of has no purpose.

Celever, on the other hand, took the other possible approach. Celever has been very active all day controlling the vibes of the thread. In multiple message he has diminished my solving as far fetched theories. I acknowledge that the Roxie thing is a bit of a far fetched theory, but he is downplaying my posts to only entertaining that theory. I am attempting to cover all bases by acknowledging all possibilities, while he is trying to drive the narrative in a specific way. He is building up to be the one who "has to" choose a vote, since he is the major gameplayer today. And that is his end goal, in my opinion. Whoever he ends up choosing will be the vote he thinks is most realistic townie to get other townies on, which sounds at the moment from his posts like Lechen (if Lechen is a townie) or Alice (if Lechen isn't).

In terms of overall reads:

I townread Miyami d2, but it wasn't really off of much. She posted inquisitively as you would expect a new player to do, and I think she put up a good facade that seems townie but could really be any alignment. As I'm writing this I wonder if this could mean Miyami is the witch? It makes a lot of sense to me thinking that Miyami's d2 was un-informed because she hadn't contacted the mafia yet, but then switched to informed d3 or d4 when she got into contact with them and shared information. I think tunnelling me today is simply bad townie play - the "concrete" evidence against me only comes from her perspective and it's not realistic to expect townies to just hop on that vote blindly.

I scumread Celever day 2 for thread presence and his thread presence today, as I already mentioned, has just driven this further in the scum direction in my opinion. This was my read on Celever, and I think it still rings true.

In terms of the vote on day 2, Celever started the vote on a fairy - which I still think was logically correct when he started it, so I'm not going to scumread him for that. But I do want to acknowledge that by voting for a fairy, he avoided taking any side on the other vote that was brewing (Evie or AG), which turned out to be Town vs Scum.


Mechanically:

Miyami is my strongest personally for obvious reasons but I acknowledge she's not confirmed scum from anyone else's POV. I do think people are way understating how easy a Psychic claim is for an evil to make, and if you look at all of Miyami's results they would be perfectly easy to fake. And not to mention she has disproportionately rolled names that were alignment-confirmed by the time she had to claim (the evil in her n1 (af), the innocent in her n2 (Evie), two non-evil of her n3 (des/hyhy), and the innocent of her n4 (hyhy)). Obviously the n3 is the one that stands out but I think it really makes sense for her to force herself in to a 50-50. If she stays a Psychic claim with no useful results, that's super sus by d5 - but if she's in a 50-50, people will be less likely to vote her.

I want to reiterate, because I feel like people are glossing over this a bit, Celever's claim is reliant on a townie having lied to Hydro. If AirC really visited Celever n3 as he claimed he would to Hydro, he would've died to Celever's alert. And it's pretty much impossible for AirC to have been witched - Ecat and AirC were transed with each other, so the witch would've had to target Ecat (a transporter, which would do nothing). Even if theoretically the witch knew where the tranport was going, they wouldn't SAVE a townie from dying. The only thing watering down the implications of this is that Lechen's claim also has significant problems - it's reliant on mafia doing some very specific visits to prevent his kill from going off. I've already established that I think there is a world where Celever/Lechen to be scum together, but even putting that aside - in my opinion, mafia playing very specific mechanics is more possible than a townie lying to the confirmed townie town leader.


I centered this post around just Miyami and Celever because I really feel like there's not enough known right now to make a call on the other 3 in my solve. JALMONT didn't have much d2 content and has come back today mostly coming to negative conclusions towards Lechen, which sort of makes them into a 50-50 (not a locked 50-50 at all, just in my head). Alice was townie enough d2 and on to be in the towncore, so I think we really need concrete evidence before we try to vote her otherwise we will just look stupid from turning on one of the towncore.

At the moment I will have a really hard time voting for anyone other than Miyami or Celever.
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HydrogenHydreigon not sure if you have caught up or have time to read posts, but if you read anything from me this is the most important post
 
joey said:
I feel that I've been genuinely a very good townie, d1 I pushed AG the entire time even when nobody was listening to me and was very close to getting him voted all the way up to deadline, I also saved Evie from being the vote (and I they had 1 more vote than AG got, so they would've been the vote)

I gave all the info I had to hydro and it all checks out even if there isn't anything super groundbreaking there

I feel like I have a decent gamestate read and the Miyami/Celever team makes a lot of sense to me with how today has gone

Happy to answer questions about what reservations you have about me Hydro. We cannot misvote here and it would be painful for me to be the one voted out knowing I'm town
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I don’t think in your case post against me and Miyami where you got the timeline of D1 completely wrong you mentioned today at all
What about today has made me/Miyami a likely team?
 
Celever said:
I don’t think in your case post against me and Miyami where you got the timeline of D1 completely wrong you mentioned today at all
What about today has made me/Miyami a likely team?
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A huge part of my post was about how Miyami was trying to force a misvote by going in guns blazing at me and you were taking the opposite approach trying to slowly lead town to an incorrect conclusion
 
I think Miyami is likely a hit and better for the night so doctor actually works. After thar we just need to protect confirmed townies, let poe die and win because of 1 difference
 
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